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[FireEye]

I have the picture of him as the bunny.



... :innocent:

[Talie A Marks]

FireEye wrote...

I have the picture of him as the bunny.



... :innocent:

[Preie]

Talie A Marks wrote...

Maybe we have to decide if Kaidan has to get an upgrade in ME3.  You know, he's out and something bad happens.  The choice becomes new implant or "neuter" him.  Bioware, please don't see this.  It would just be wrong and more angst source between him and shep. <_<

And on that note, I'm back to pitchforks and torches. 

Good night.  I'm sure things will be better in the morning.

Edit.

Crap top.  Anyone got that picture with him and the bunny.  I'm still not savvy enough to post pics.

Aww, hope I still caught you before you went to bed but I am a bit confused. Were you refering to my idea and was disagreeing with it. Or just stating it in your mind and then disagreeing with it there.

I am not saying that I liked the decision of killing poor Kaidan... and it wouldn't be more angst either. It would be a trust/ belief opinion on the upgrade.

I don't know, was just an idea for a "loyalty mission" if they keep them up.

And back to the biotic amps. I beleive that Jack went from an L3 to an L5 in her "upgrade." Therefore, I would assume that it is, infact, an upgrade. Unless I am mistaken. Haven't played ME2 in 2 months now

[Cypher0020]

So which class is the L5's again?

I'm doing a sentinel run for importing.... and they get the Lv. 4 right? I know game-wise it doesn't make much sense but... ehhh... I dunno....

I still wanna know how you can just buy amps so casually in stores... its a piece of machine you stick in your brain! Not like a new t-shirt you try on.....O_O

[Preie]

Are you running ME1 or ME2?

I don't actually own a copy of ME1 but I believe it is still L3.

Taken from Mass Effect Wiki:

Mass Effect 2: Adepts L5x and Vanguards L5n

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Biotics

Here is the link. I love reading all this stuff 8)

Edit: It actually says it requires Brain surgery. Which is the first risk. But imagine what each individual amp could do to brain chemistry and body function. It could be messy

Edit 2, again ha: http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Bio-amps. Information about Bio-amps. I don't know, as it doesn't specify as to which degree Bio-amps work.

I am sure it is like a computer. Bio-amps are updates and streamliners (Software?) whereas the actual implant is Hardware? I could be mistaken or bad analogy.

Modifié par Preie, 26 septembre 2011 - 08:19 .

[Cypher0020]

Oh I'm replaying ME1 with a new femshep for the kaidan romance, as a sentinel

ME2 sentinels are still L3's? Hmmm... makes sense since its biotics + tech

brain surgery? Yessssh. Does it mention a recovery period?

I just wish that if you played Shep as a biotic it'd have more implications... like being a mage in dragon age...

You run into a enough crazy biotics in ME1... and humans are supposedly very rare, Shep, Kai, and Jack probably amongst the most powerful of the known humans

[Jenova65]

Caseshep wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

With MY face??? Are you looking for a fight? ;'D

Just speaking in generalities! You're not a beared lady though?

Surprisingly not 
I actually don't mind beards, just not ZZ Top beards, that might be a bit much on Kaidan 

[Preie]

Ah good point. There is nothing in the interwebz about if Sentinels received an upgrade or not. I call it a good catch. Wonder if there is an ask a dev or lore person from Bioware like other games.

Nothing about recovery period, however, it is usually done with infants. So probably not much experimenting. Which leads me to my previous point. Is Doc medicallly knowledgeable to give Jack the upgrade to an L5x? It now seems strange that it was played off like nothing could happen. JACK COULD OF DIED 8(. And notice there was no recover period for her either. I think that part is just gameplay mechanics

The numbers of experimental programs on Biotics could possible unknown. This is a Universe now... there is things that the Alliance doesn't know about. But in ME1, you fight alot of angry L2 biotic humans

[Cypher0020]

Well we know Kaidan was in BaaT and look how that turned out....

and where was Shep trained in biotics if he/she had any? An alliance facility? Who taught him/her? I wish the dialogue could have explored that more

Shep and Ash apparently had the same trainer once.... the goldbricking deal

[mineralica]

rapscallioness wrote...

Last thing, then I have to go to sleep:

There was this side quest in ME1, I think. But it was on some ship where this crazy biotic lady was protecting the brain dead body of her lover, "Jacob".

The ship logs said that all the stress, or something, the grief, made her L2 implants act up. Alot. She got real trippy trying to protect this brain dead guy. I think she killed the rest of the crew and set booby traps, etc. She couldn't let him go.

I'm not sayin Kaidan woulda killed anybody like that other crazy chick, but apparently those kinds of emotions seem to affect the...functioning? of the L2 implants.

I wonder if Kaidan tripped out a lil? Maybe on the down low. Maybe only Anderson knew what was going on and was able help him.

Idk. I just remember that side quest when I replayed ME1, and it made me think about what coulda happened.

Poor Julia. But this quest got me thinking if any implants tend to overheat during stress or only L2? Maybe L3 overheats too, but for lesser degree?

Anyway, I don't see Kaidan losing his biotics - from the list of confirmed characters, Liara, Kaidan/Ashley, Tali, Garrus and James - it's obvious that biotics are precious now. Especially considering that Liara in shown build doesn't have Warp > if Kaidan isn't biotic then no one has Warp. What a shame. At the opposite, there's already plenty of tech/combat oriented chars, why need is one more?

[Jenova65]

mineralica wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Last thing, then I have to go to sleep:

There was this side quest in ME1, I think. But it was on some ship where this crazy biotic lady was protecting the brain dead body of her lover, "Jacob".

The ship logs said that all the stress, or something, the grief, made her L2 implants act up. Alot. She got real trippy trying to protect this brain dead guy. I think she killed the rest of the crew and set booby traps, etc. She couldn't let him go.

I'm not sayin Kaidan woulda killed anybody like that other crazy chick, but apparently those kinds of emotions seem to affect the...functioning? of the L2 implants.

I wonder if Kaidan tripped out a lil? Maybe on the down low. Maybe only Anderson knew what was going on and was able help him.

Idk. I just remember that side quest when I replayed ME1, and it made me think about what coulda happened.

Poor Julia. But this quest got me thinking if any implants tend to overheat during stress or only L2? Maybe L3 overheats too, but for lesser degree?

Anyway, I don't see Kaidan losing his biotics - from the list of confirmed characters, Liara, Kaidan/Ashley, Tali, Garrus and James - it's obvious that biotics are precious now. Especially considering that Liara in shown build doesn't have Warp > if Kaidan isn't biotic then no one has Warp. What a shame. At the opposite, there's already plenty of tech/combat oriented chars, why need is one more?

And Garrus and Tali could well be dead, unless they have the same plot immunity that Leliana has... alive regardless of whether she is dead in Origins or not (same goes for Anders, right?)
Don't get me wrong, I don't kill ANYONE or allow them to die BUT I do think dead should mean dead... in DA II if Zev is dead he stays dead, but Leliana does not... <_< That just is not right and an insult to everyone's choices....

If you leave Kaidan on Virmire with that ^ squad you are left with potentially only Liara as a biotic. We know everyone is comming back at some level though.. but still...

Modifié par Jenova65, 26 septembre 2011 - 09:55 .

[Jenova65]

OK.... I don't kill characters but I did kill the thread? ;P

[Kyakan]

Jenova65 wrote...

OK.... I don't kill characters but I did kill the thread? ;P

*rides in on a white horse* NO! THIS THREAD SHALL NEVER DIE!



Ah, balls. 

[mineralica]

Jenova65 wrote...

OK.... I don't kill characters but I did kill the thread? ;P

I blame time zones.

And yes, "if you kill Kaidan (Ashley), be ready that your team will be rather short with biotics (damage dealers)" looks like right idea. After all, "more valuable for team" (read: matches player's team selection preferences) is one of the main reasons for choice on Virmire. Saved LI just because of LI status? You should have expected the consequences.

The same goes for folks died on SM - killed someone off? Don't count on that there will be plenty replacements.

[irJessica]

I came to see what the current discussion is after having a slight break due to lack of internet and this is the first thing I see...

Kyakan wrote...

Makes me wonder how I survived without this thread 

[Kyakan]

 Am I the only person that likes to kill people off for the emotional impact?
Oh, I have plenty of everyone-survives-playthroughs, of course, because I'm a baby. But every so often I like to have some of my favorite characters die so that I can get my tragedy fix. Masochism much? xD
Specifically, sometimes I kill Wrex on Virmire because I find that scene very dramatic and well-done. Garrus and Tali sometimes drop during the Suicide Mission because they're my canon Shepard's best friends. Miranda, too, but she has supreme plot armor so I usually can't lose her if I try. *shrug*
Still haven't been able to leave Kaidan on Virmire, though. I want to, since I love Ashley so much, but...*sigh* I blame Raphael Sbarge. That man's voice is too sexy. It isn't fair. 

My point is, is killing characters on purpose really all that bad?

[Jenova65]

Kyakan wrote...

 Am I the only person that likes to kill people off for the emotional impact?
Oh, I have plenty of everyone-survives-playthroughs, of course, because I'm a baby. But every so often I like to have some of my favorite characters die so that I can get my tragedy fix. Masochism much? xD
Specifically, sometimes I kill Wrex on Virmire because I find that scene very dramatic and well-done. Garrus and Tali sometimes drop during the Suicide Mission because they're my canon Shepard's best friends. Miranda, too, but she has supreme plot armor so I usually can't lose her if I try. *shrug*
Still haven't been able to leave Kaidan on Virmire, though. I want to, since I love Ashley so much, but...*sigh* I blame Raphael Sbarge. That man's voice is too sexy. It isn't fair. 

My point is, is killing characters on purpose really all that bad?

No you aren't
I'd love to be able to.... but I just can't bring myself to have a *failure* Shepard... (in MY head) Because that is how I would forever view her..........

[Kyakan]

Jenova65 wrote...
No you aren't
I'd love to be able to.... but I just can't bring myself to have a *failure* Shepard... (in MY head) Because that is how I would forever view her..........

 I've found that it's a lot easier during NewGame+'es. The first or second playthrough of any one character always feels the most real, at least IMO, so after I've gone through the game like 9 times with the same character I just end up throwing roleplaying to the wind and doing whatever the hell I want. 

irJessica wrote...

I came to see what the current discussion is after having a slight break due to lack of internet and this is the first thing I see...

Kyakan wrote...
*snip*

Makes me wonder how I survived without this thread [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Funny, your icon made me think the same thing.

Modifié par Kyakan, 26 septembre 2011 - 12:25 .

[Silver77nz]

Wow I show up and 5 pages have gone by!!! So some of the things I say are going to be from 2 pages back.

The character creator...I had to have femshep looking good. Major complaint is the noses!!! What is up with the big noses.

Kaidan being icy and cold maybe...I just keep hoping that seeing you running for your life will make him realize how much he doesn't want to loose you and I'm still gunning for the faithful reward. BW please don't make him moody most of the game please!

With the outfits..ok this might sound strange but for some reason, Miranda walking around in the sexy get up irritated me. Why does she get a sexy outfit and not me? Some ppl prob don't care but I did. Def no cat suits for Kaidan and if he is in a captain uniform...I'm gonna draw him up to my room and have personal catch up time

Anyhoo I should go to sleep now.

[mineralica]

Kyakan wrote...

 Am I the only person that likes to kill people off for the emotional impact?
Oh, I have plenty of everyone-survives-playthroughs, of course, because I'm a baby. But every so often I like to have some of my favorite characters die so that I can get my tragedy fix. Masochism much? xD
Specifically, sometimes I kill Wrex on Virmire because I find that scene very dramatic and well-done. Garrus and Tali sometimes drop during the Suicide Mission because they're my canon Shepard's best friends. Miranda, too, but she has supreme plot armor so I usually can't lose her if I try. *shrug*
Still haven't been able to leave Kaidan on Virmire, though. I want to, since I love Ashley so much, but...*sigh* I blame Raphael Sbarge. That man's voice is too sexy. It isn't fair. 

My point is, is killing characters on purpose really all that bad?

I'd like to specify that my previous post doesn't mean "you let someone die? You failed mwahahaha!"


Deaths are normal - and, in several cases, unevitable. But if some squadmates died and you didn't reload to change outcome, this means you're fine with this situation and understand that it may backlash.

For example, if I play as Soldier Shepard, saved Ashley on Virmire and only Grunt and Zaeed survived SM, this playthrough has all the rights to exist because this is the set of choices and, after all, why not? But it would be strange for me to get new entire team of tech and biotic experts in ME3 just because every person who survived previous games are pure soldiers and I need replacements for rest of roles. Because it was me, the player, who made this choices, so I should be ready to face consequences.

About "deaths for drama" - ME2 did everything possible to let us lose someone without turning SM into bloody mess. There are three candidates who can perfectly work for each role (sorta not at all correct for biotic expert because there are Jack and Samara or Morinth), and losing one of experts might be caused by everything - not knowing how SM works, lost loyalty, or wish for drama. It doesn't really give you any trouble. Losing all 3 squadmates suitable for role is almost impossible to happen by accident and, if happened, the reason is deliberate player's wish to stay without experts. So why not to give them such opportunity?

[Jenova65]

Kyakan wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...
No you aren't
I'd love to be able to.... but I just can't bring myself to have a *failure* Shepard... (in MY head) Because that is how I would forever view her..........

 I've found that it's a lot easier during NewGame+'es. The first or second playthrough of any one character always feels the most real, at least IMO, so after I've gone through the game like 9 times with the same character I just end up throwing roleplaying to the wind and doing whatever the hell I want. 

irJessica wrote...

I came to see what the current discussion is after having a slight break due to lack of internet and this is the first thing I see...

Kyakan wrote...
*snip*

Makes me wonder how I survived without this thread [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Funny, your icon made me think the same thing.

Lol, I don't know......... try as I might I can't do it and I have a sh*tload of saves 

[Kyakan]

mineralica wrote...
I'd like to specify that my previous post doesn't mean "you let someone die? You failed mwahahaha!"

Deaths are normal - and, in several cases, inevitable. But if some squadmates died and you didn't reload to change outcome, this means you're fine with this situation and understand that it may backlash.

I was actually referring to killing people off on purpose. I wish I found accidents fun, because it'd make the game more surprising and realistic, but I can't help but find them frustrating instead. This probably because when I screw up, I usually screw up big time. During my first playthrough of ME2, everyone died except my crew and three squadmates. I don't even know how it happened. I'm just That Bad. Seriously. 
The only playthroughs I keep are ones that have been carefully planned out. N00bish, I know, but it's just how I roll. N00bishly.

mineralica wrote...
About "deaths for drama" - ME2 did everything possible to let us lose someone without turning SM into bloody mess. There are three candidates who can perfectly work for each role (sorta not at all correct for biotic expert because there are Jack and Samara or Morinth), and losing one of experts might be caused by everything - not knowing how SM works, lost loyalty, or wish for drama. It doesn't really give you any trouble. Losing all 3 squadmates suitable for role is almost impossible to happen by accident and, if happened, the reason is deliberate player's wish to stay without experts. So why not to give them such opportunity?

Almost impossible, but not completely idiot-proof. *points to above statement*

But yeah, you make an excellent point. The massive cast allowed for a lot of customization. ME2 may have dropped the roleplay-options ball in some areas (read: Liara y u no let me talk about Kaidan?!), but it certainly picked it up again elsewhere. Have I mentioned that I love Bioware?

[Jade5233]

For anyone who has been angry with Kaidan about his reaction on Horizon:
I think you'll like today's installment of the Shepard Chronicles
http://www.fanfictio...pard_Chronicles

[Graceyn]

Very well done Jade! Even if it made me want to rage about Horizon again....

I had wondered, as it got closer and closer, how you would deal with Horizon. Poor Kimbri, she had no idea what awaited her . I imagine her recordings may take on a different flavor from now on. But hopefully they continue!

[PMC65]

Graceyn wrote...

Very well done Jade! Even if it made me want to rage about Horizon again....

I had wondered, as it got closer and closer, how you would deal with Horizon. Poor Kimbri, she had no idea what awaited her . I imagine her recordings may take on a different flavor from now on. But hopefully they continue!

The first time I played this scene Shep and I were confused, next couple times angry ... but the last time two times that I played Horizon I set it up where Shepard intentionally let the dialogue go down hill with all the harsher replies. The reasoning was that Shepard did not want Ash (his love) / Kaidan (her friend) to follow them. (S)he didn't want the VS to leave the Alliance for him/her, because that's what joining Cerberus would have meant. 

Shepard put the VS first over what (s)he wanted, which was the VS back on her team. It changed that scene for me and was less "stingy". My Shepard's did feel a little bit like a jerk for playing the VS though. But I've also wondered if the VS did the same thing to push Shepard away. I think there was more going on in that moment (like Liara with her coldness) and that it will be revealed in ME3. After all, Anderson does not want you to know what mission the VS is on when you talk to him. 

Can't wait for the reveal in ME3!  

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Modifié par PMC65, 26 septembre 2011 - 03:33 .