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[Bekkael]

Sialater wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Bekkael wrote...
 You had to roleplay only one, rather narrow type of character (the kind that would take sh*t from Cerberus) and that's it.

Uh... none of my Shepards do anything other than take TIM's money and thumb their nose at him.  I see his constant "chats" as a way to pressure them to get the job done fast and have a high casualty rate, and hopefully die again.  They ignore his pressure and dot their i's and cross their t's.  They bide their time since there's a bigger issue than Cerberus and they need intel and funding from somewhere. 

So yeah... no, the mission came first, there was no "taking **** from Cerberus."  There was the mission and that's it.

Glad it worked for you, it didn't for me. It's my opinion, and that's how I saw it. I know tons of people were fine with the RP aspect of ME2, but it just didn't make any sense for me. Several of my Shepards had too much hate for Cerberus, (blind hate, if you want to put it that way) to be able to just get on with business. If I could have taken T.I.M's money, resources etc., and then been able to definitively tell him to f*ck off, that might have worked. Blowing the base just wasn't enough.

Yeah, but you just said there's only one type of character that can be roleplayed.  I'm disagreeing with your assertion, not that you should have been able to do it.  

And two of MY Sheps are Earthborn, btw.  Loved is all about how Meghan's biding her time to stick it to Cerberus. 

To me, there is only one way to play. To me. I couldn't make it work for any of my established Shepards, because they would never work with Cerberus. End of story. For Shepard to be such a ball-buster in ME and then lay down for the stupid garbage T.I.M. fed her? No way.

My point is, ME2 only allowed for the kind of characters that would be able to deal with Cerberus. My characters wouldn't, so that's what I mean by one type: the type that can justify cooperating (even if it's just on the surface) with Cerberus.

You see it differently, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Sialater wrote...

So yeah... no, the mission came first, there was no "taking **** from Cerberus."  There was the mission and that's it.

... what mission?  Oh, right, the mission from Cerberus, for Cerberus.  Which Shepard just takes at face value for no apparent reason.

Taking tIM's candy is working for Cerberus.  I will never see it another way. 

So... Freedom's Progess was all a plant?  Veetor was a paid con artist? 

I agree Shepard's railroaded until Freedom's Progress, but she's alone and outnumbered in enemy territory until then.  Mine considered themselves POWs.  Sorry, my Sheps are good, but they're not that good.

So please stop telling me because *I* could work around it that I played wrong, or that my Shepards are stupid.

If they had more explicitly shown that Shepard was unable to simply walk away from Cerberus without repercussions, I would have been a lot more accepting of the way the plot rolls out.

I just wanted more exposition in general, when it came to the main plot.  I understand not getting the full story when doing Jacob or Jack's loyalty quests, for instance, but when your own character's story is not getting fully fleshed out, there's a problem.

I agree with that to a certain extent, but it IS an RPG.  Had they fleshed it out, there'd be cries of "that's not my Shepard!"  Even more so than now.  It's up to the player to figure out their Shep's motivations.  Not BW.  

And if you can't, you can't.  Not a big deal.  It took a great deal for Meghan to not space herself after being resurrected against her will, after all. 

[jeweledleah]

,-- has a character that couldn't deal with Cerberus. she went through the motion hating every single railroading moment, didn't talk to any of the Cerberus crew and basically did nothing to help them in any way. she had casualties in SM, needless to say. it was difficult to RP a Shepard who was THAT against Cerberus, and a lot had to be head cannoned, but it was not completely impossible.

Incidentally, even though she didn't romance Kaidan, at this point, he's practically the only person she has any trust in.

[Sialater]

Bekkael wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Bekkael wrote...
 You had to roleplay only one, rather narrow type of character (the kind that would take sh*t from Cerberus) and that's it.

Uh... none of my Shepards do anything other than take TIM's money and thumb their nose at him.  I see his constant "chats" as a way to pressure them to get the job done fast and have a high casualty rate, and hopefully die again.  They ignore his pressure and dot their i's and cross their t's.  They bide their time since there's a bigger issue than Cerberus and they need intel and funding from somewhere. 

So yeah... no, the mission came first, there was no "taking **** from Cerberus."  There was the mission and that's it.

Glad it worked for you, it didn't for me. It's my opinion, and that's how I saw it. I know tons of people were fine with the RP aspect of ME2, but it just didn't make any sense for me. Several of my Shepards had too much hate for Cerberus, (blind hate, if you want to put it that way) to be able to just get on with business. If I could have taken T.I.M's money, resources etc., and then been able to definitively tell him to f*ck off, that might have worked. Blowing the base just wasn't enough.

Yeah, but you just said there's only one type of character that can be roleplayed.  I'm disagreeing with your assertion, not that you should have been able to do it.  

And two of MY Sheps are Earthborn, btw.  Loved is all about how Meghan's biding her time to stick it to Cerberus. 

To me, there is only one way to play. To me. I couldn't make it work for any of my established Shepards, because they would never work with Cerberus. End of story. For Shepard to be such a ball-buster in ME and then lay down for the stupid garbage T.I.M. fed her? No way.

My point is, ME2 only allowed for the kind of characters that would be able to deal with Cerberus. My characters wouldn't, so that's what I mean by one type: the type that can justify cooperating (even if it's just on the surface) with Cerberus.

You see it differently, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

But that's you.  That's not me.    Your quote above, if it's still in the pyramid, said "you" as in EVERYONE, the collective "you."  If it's just YOUR characters you're struggling with, that's fine.  But don't tell the rest of us we're wrong.

[SilentK]

Hmmm... ME2 works for me. I guess I just have the feeling that my FemShep's just deals with it. After talking the the council they pretty much see it as the least horrible thing they can do. This way they are at least fighting back against the reapers. Hmmm.... but yes, if they would get a pm on a secure channel that all of a sudden the alliance had changed it's mind and wanted her to come back, they would have been overjoyed. The ones who are waiting for Kaidan would get extra happy for such a message.

[Sialater]

SilentK wrote...


Hmmm... ME2 works for me. I guess I just have the feeling that my FemShep's just deals with it. After talking the the council they pretty much see it as the least horrible thing they can do. This way they are at least fighting back against the reapers. Hmmm.... but yes, if they would get a pm on a secure channel that all of a sudden the alliance had changed it's mind and wanted her to come back, they would have been overjoyed. The ones who are waiting for Kaidan would get extra happy for such a message.

Avery would have jumped for joy had she gotten that message. 

Meghan, too... it would just be more complicated for her.  LOL

[FireEye]

Sialater wrote...

So... Freedom's Progess was all a plant?  Veetor was a paid con artist? 

I agree Shepard's railroaded until Freedom's Progress, but she's alone and outnumbered in enemy territory until then.  Mine considered themselves POWs.  Sorry, my Sheps are good, but they're not that good.

So please stop telling me because *I* could work around it that I played wrong, or that my Shepards are stupid.

I'm not telling you anything except what I see on the screen.  There should have been an option to work for Cerberus, for whatever the reason (some Colonist Sheps may have the, "OMG!  COLONIES IN DANGER!" reaction to tIM's news - but there can also be NO REASON to believe Freedom's Progress, and if you have a Shep that wouldn't and wouldn't budge, the entire "working for Cerberus" plot breaks down before it starts).  Thus, there also should have been options to refuse.  Or to withhold cautious judgement.  Or whatever.  If it felt like a POW situation, I'd happily take it as such.

If you can roll it, power to you.  I can't, and I legitimately can't see it any other way. 

(And yes - I can see Freedom's Progress as a total scam.  Veetor doesn't even have to be a con-artist for it to be so.)

... sorry, I suppose this isn't Kaidan related, even if some of my perpetual "WTF Cerberus?" comes from Shep's dialogue options on Horizon.  So, Kaidan:

[Sialater]

FireEye wrote...

Sialater wrote...

So... Freedom's Progess was all a plant?  Veetor was a paid con artist? 

I agree Shepard's railroaded until Freedom's Progress, but she's alone and outnumbered in enemy territory until then.  Mine considered themselves POWs.  Sorry, my Sheps are good, but they're not that good.

So please stop telling me because *I* could work around it that I played wrong, or that my Shepards are stupid.

I'm not telling you anything except what I see on the screen.  There should have been an option to work for Cerberus, for whatever the reason (some Colonist Sheps may have the, "OMG!  COLONIES IN DANGER!" reaction to tIM's news - but there can also be NO REASON to believe Freedom's Progress, and if you have a Shep that wouldn't and wouldn't budge, the entire "working for Cerberus" plot breaks down before it starts).  Thus, there also should have been options to refuse.  Or to withhold cautious judgement.  Or whatever.  If it felt like a POW situation, I'd happily take it as such.

If you can roll it, power to you.  I can't, and I legitimately can't see it any other way. 

(And yes - I can see Freedom's Progress as a total scam.  Veetor doesn't even have to be a con-artist for it to be so.)

... sorry, I suppose this isn't Kaidan related, even if some of my perpetual "WTF Cerberus?" comes from Shep's dialogue options on Horizon.  So, Kaidan:

*snip Kaidan goodness*

That's fine if you can't.  Just don't judge when someone can.

And yeah, until Freedom's Progress, I feel like Shep's a POW, at the very least.  Which makes Horizon (sorry Night) that much more painful for them.  Avery literally felt like she had guns trained on her and Garrus.  And they had Joker and Chakwas hostage.  She didn't tell Kaidan as much as she wanted so she could protect him.


Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now.  Promise.

Modifié par Sialater, 26 septembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[Bekkael]

Sialater wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Sialater wrote...

So yeah... no, the mission came first, there was no "taking **** from Cerberus."  There was the mission and that's it.

... what mission?  Oh, right, the mission from Cerberus, for Cerberus.  Which Shepard just takes at face value for no apparent reason.

Taking tIM's candy is working for Cerberus.  I will never see it another way. 

So... Freedom's Progess was all a plant?  Veetor was a paid con artist? 

I agree Shepard's railroaded until Freedom's Progress, but she's alone and outnumbered in enemy territory until then.  Mine considered themselves POWs.  Sorry, my Sheps are good, but they're not that good.

So please stop telling me because *I* could work around it that I played wrong, or that my Shepards are stupid.

Sialater wrote...
But that's you.  That's not me.    Your quote above, if it's still in the pyramid, said "you" as in EVERYONE,
the collective "you."  If it's just YOUR characters you're struggling with, that's fine.  But don't tell the rest of us we're wrong.

I took FireEye's post to be *her* opinion, just as my statement of thoughts and opinions are solely mine. I wasn't attacking you or how you play or anyone else, but I certainly feel like you're attacking me. It's unfortunate if you were offended, but I wasn't going out of my way to ****** anyone off.

As I clearly stated before, I was trying to share how I found ME2 to be a difficult pill for my Shepards to swallow. I think I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are yours, and I don't think anyone needs to apologize for seeing things differently.

I think I'm done with this topic too.

Modifié par Bekkael, 26 septembre 2011 - 09:48 .

[Sialater]

Bekkael wrote...

I think I'm done with this topic too.

OK.



Truce? 

[Bekkael]

Sialater wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

I think I'm done with this topic too.

OK.



Truce? 

I'll share my chocolate with you? <3:kissing:

[AiLeO]

So... just popped back into the thread and I haven't checked all the pages I missed (it's quite a bit) but I wanted to know if anyone is going to NY Comic Con? There is going to be an ME3 panel, I hear.

[Cypher0020]

Yaaaay hugs for all!

Soooo......lovely Shenko I'm totally thinking about doing a fanfic... any interested readers?

[Sialater]

Bekkael wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

I think I'm done with this topic too.

OK.



Truce? 

I'll share my chocolate with you? <3:kissing:

Shared chocolate is the best kind.  There's no calories in shared chocolate. 

Besides, I can't argue with you for long... you'll take Cullen away from me. :innocent:

[Sialater]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Yaaaay hugs for all!

Soooo......lovely Shenko I'm totally thinking about doing a fanfic... any interested readers?

I'm sure there will be lots of takers.  *I* can't read any new ones till Paragon is done, though.  My way of cracking that whip.

[Bekkael]

Sialater wrote...

Shared chocolate is the best kind.  There's no calories in shared chocolate. 

Besides, I can't argue with you for long... you'll take Cullen away from me. :innocent:

Gasp! I would never take Cullen away from anyone. That is cruel and unusual. Cullen belongs to everyone, just like Kaidan. The big difference being you can actually kiss Kaidan. Wish Cullen had such options.

[FireEye]

Sialater wrote...

That's fine if you can't.  Just don't judge when someone can.

Just to clarify: I'm not judging you for playing how you want to play.  I promise.  I encourage you to have as much fun with ME2 as you possible can.  Romancing Kaidan or Garrus or no one; or writing fic; or whatever.  I'm fine with that.  It's a game - that's what it's for, to have fun with it. 

I do judge ME2 Shepard.  And harshly.  But ME2 was heavy dose of disappointment to me all around.  So you don't have to listen to me at all. 

And now, hugs! 



(... it occurs to me that I really need to get this shot from the other angle ...)

[Kia Purity]

Free chocolate pastries for all! XP

[syllogi]

AiLeO wrote...

So... just popped back into the thread and I haven't checked all the pages I missed (it's quite a bit) but I wanted to know if anyone is going to NY Comic Con? There is going to be an ME3 panel, I hear.

I'm not sure, if it's on Friday or Saturday, I will try to make it, but Sunday is probably no good for me (and it's too crowded on Free Kids Day, my own kid doesn't even like dealing with the masses).

Have they announced what day they'll be having the panel?

[mineralica]

Kia Purity wrote...

Free chocolate pastries for all! XP

Thread killed with chocolate pastries. That's just awesomeB)

[FireEye]

mineralica wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Free chocolate pastries for all! XP

Thread killed with chocolate pastries. That's just awesomeB)

[Eccentrica Gallumbits]

FireEye wrote...

mineralica wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Free chocolate pastries for all! XP

Thread killed with chocolate pastries. That's just awesomeB)

Almost better than sex chocolate cake with Kaidan ice cream. The best dessert ever! 

[Talie A Marks]

Preie wrote...

Talie A Marks wrote...

Maybe we have to decide if Kaidan has to get an upgrade in ME3.  You know, he's out and something bad happens.  The choice becomes new implant or "neuter" him.  Bioware, please don't see this.  It would just be wrong and more angst source between him and shep. <_<

And on that note, I'm back to pitchforks and torches. 

Good night.  I'm sure things will be better in the morning.

Edit.

Crap top.  Anyone got that picture with him and the bunny.  I'm still not savvy enough to post pics.

Aww, hope I still caught you before you went to bed but I am a bit confused. Were you refering to my idea and was disagreeing with it. Or just stating it in your mind and then disagreeing with it there.

I am not saying that I liked the decision of killing poor Kaidan... and it wouldn't be more angst either. It would be a trust/ belief opinion on the upgrade.

I don't know, was just an idea for a "loyalty mission" if they keep them up.

And back to the biotic amps. I beleive that Jack went from an L3 to an L5 in her "upgrade." Therefore, I would assume that it is, infact, an upgrade. Unless I am mistaken. Haven't played ME2 in 2 months now

I was agreeing with you somewhat.  Killing? Who said anything about killing Kaidan.  I sure as heck didn't.  I was saying maybe it was a choice Shep was going to have to make in the course of the game (ME3).  A choice Kaidan couldn't make, like he was unconscious.

[a2yostie]

Ugh, ME2. Yeah, it made no sense TO ME either. I'm with you Bekkael and FireEye, I can't reconcile any of it with MY sheps either. All I can do is fill in the blanks inbetween all of the gameplay and somewhere between ME2 and ME3 my sheps have EDI upload all Cerberus info EDI can get to Anderson and Hackett. Somewhere behind the scenes my sheps have been sabotaging cerberus every chance they had.

*caps lock to indicate this is my opinion and in no way do I believe anyone else's is invalid

Modifié par a2yostie, 27 septembre 2011 - 01:40 .

[Preie]

Talie A Marks wrote...

I was agreeing with you somewhat.  Killing? Who said anything about killing Kaidan.  I sure as heck didn't.  I was saying maybe it was a choice Shep was going to have to make in the course of the game (ME3).  A choice Kaidan couldn't make, like he was unconscious.

Well there is a disconnect in your thought there 8(.

If in any way Kaidan were to decide to upgrade, it would be extremely risky and death would or could be a possibility. It would actually make the decision way more difficult.

I went back a page and what is with the arguing haha. This is a fan thread 8).

Nobody did the list tho. My feelings is hurt

Edit: ToP Quick! Don't know how to add a photo 8(

Modifié par Preie, 27 septembre 2011 - 02:51 .