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[Collider]

meonlyred wrote...
I know you guys are going to hate me, many of you probably already do. But I won't be surprised that Kaidan will not be the s/s. They have introduce a new male character (Vega) who as of yet has had no mention of a past relationship with a woman. (Not saying someone can't also be bi, please don't take it that way) He also seems to ready have a case of hero worship for Shepard, ei. ripping TV off the wall and beating a batarian to death with it. Thane had a wife, Garrus was with the recon scout, it was hinted that Jacob had a thing with Miri, and Kaidan had Rahna. It would be easier to simply add a new character that can be gay or bi, then to semi recon a existing character and to the 'bi the way' treatment we got in DA2.

The ease of S/S romance really depends on how they do it. With Anders (who in Awakening mentioned that all he wanted was a pretty girl), all they did was make Karl a former lover and generally left it at that. Fenris actually seemed to have more references towards a gay relationship.

[Bekkael]

@Leah, I've been loving Bethesda since Morrowind. Looking forward to 11/11/11.

Speaking of Genesis, yesterday when I imported my ME1 Shepard to replay ME2, it did the Genesis comic, but seamlessly included all my choices from the first game (whereas it would stop and let you pick on a new game etc.) and I thought it was kinda neat watching it without any pauses. I didn't realize it would do that.

[Bekkael]

Hathur wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Mac Walters tweeted that most of the trial will take place before the start of ME3. Silvermansaid that there will be no Geneis like comic.

so we don't know how or if the prior game choices will be handled for new players/Shepards. its all speculation at this point

I'm just hoping the trial is a nice and lengthy segment with plenty of dialogue and not some 2-3 minute affair before all the shooting starts 

Me too, but I'm scared it will be hurried to get to teh action. Need to keep those new players happy, right? <_<

[Ellyria]

 You know what would be more amusing than a Genesis comic for ME3?

If during Shepard's trail, they'd have outlandish flashbacks to Shepard's deeds during ME1 and ME2, then Shepard could interject and be like "That's not what happened!" and then you could choose what you did in each situation. It would be better than that horrific comic.

Modifié par Chylise, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:19 .

[Criz]

Bekkael wrote...


Edit to add some Kaidan. Pulled this off google and can't find who to cred. Is this rabbit?

yes, it's one of rabbitzoro's drawings
when it was posted first awhile ago I asked her about it

[Hotaru29]

meonlyred wrote...

I know you guys are going to hate me, many of you probably already do. But I won't be surprised that Kaidan will not be the s/s. They have introduce a new male character (Vega) who as of yet has had no mention of a past relationship with a woman. (Not saying someone can't also be bi, please don't take it that way) He also seems to ready have a case of hero worship for Shepard, ei. ripping TV off the wall and beating a batarian to death with it. Thane had a wife, Garrus was with the recon scout, it was hinted that Jacob had a thing with Miri, and Kaidan had Rahna. It would be easier to simply add a new character that can be gay or bi, then to semi recon a existing character and to the 'bi the way' treatment we got in DA2.

You are allowed to have your opinion and I certainly do not hate you for it, but we had this discussion today already and I've had my fill for today. 

[WhoKnew]

Chylise wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Collider wrote...

I'm really mixed on KOTOR 2. The stories and characters are generally good (there are exceptions, of course). But you can argue that the design and gameplay flaws aren't worth it.

And there are no real romances in it, for those curious - in fact I think the "romance" content in the game harms it more than anything else.

Not sure what gameplay/design flaws are there, it's basically K1 gemaply wise. The only flaw that was there was the cut content from ending, but with TSLCRM it's now fixed mostly. And I don't think the romances really harm it, they can hardly be even classified as romances so.

But I'm a KOTOR 2 fanboy so

*fistbump* Totaly KotOR2 fangirl here. 

The gameplay is basically the same for both games (them using the same engine and all), and I thought KotOR2 was actually improved in some areas, gameplay wise (especially with Feats and skill points, as well as modifying armor/weapons).

As for romances, Isaac's right, they can't really be classified as romances. I remember reading that Obsidian didn't want to do romantic subplots because they didn't think they could execute them properly, or something. If Bioware would have done the romances for KotOR2 and let Obsidian do everything else, it would have been the greatest game ever (to me)!

KotOR2 fangirl here, too (Widow of Atton)! I may be biased as KotOR2 was the first game I ever really played as one of mature age (physically) since the likes of Crash Bandicoot, Spyro and Altered Beast as a kid, but I think it's a classic regardless. I think it's still a great game in its sort of half-completion. The only thing that really annoyed me was the non-committal ending that leaves you making your own ideas of what happened to everyone, but isn't that just how they like to do things with Star Wars sometimes? :wub:  

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/RaphaelSbarge/status/127826416757776384
"I need Once Upon a Time questions to pick from to have Raphael Sbarge audioblog in response to. .. He'll say your name! @OnceABC #MassEffect"

Edit- not sure if she wants ME questions too, considering she used the #MassEffect hashtag...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:22 .

[shepskisaac]

Estelindis wrote...

For a while, I've asked myself if Obsidian is cursed. (Um, not literally, just metaphorically.) So many of their games had excellent writing but an unsatisfying finale, as if they ran out of time or money towards the end. KotOR II. NWN2. Mask of the Betrayer. The only game of theirs I've played for which this wasn't the case was Alpha Protocol, which I loved... but it got a lukewarm critical reception and didn't sell that well. I really wish they could get a break. Sometimes they feel to me like the game developer equivalent of Kaidan... Their quality isn't recognised by the majority of gamers, but what fans they do have are very passionate and will defend their merits to the ends of the earth!

They simply need to sell themselves to a major publisher. That's a brutal reality. They lack stable partner and support. They ain't in comfortable situation like CD Projekt is with low dev cost due to lower labour costs in Poland (and money from GOG service) and they ain't as big as Bethesda (which is already one of the biggest worldwide publishers). They need resources = money. Being basically a freelancer dev won't get them that. The days of small devs being able to rival in the AAA tier are over. If thye want to remain in the AAA market, they need publisher. Square Enix would be good. Eidos is benefiting greately from the buyout. Square just throws money at them and doesn't tell what to do or ask too many questions. And look how Eidos & its studios thrive right now. Amazing Deus Ex, Arkham Asylum, Just Cause 2, Lara Croft & the Guardian of Light, amazingly-looking Tomb Raider reboot. Just few years ago Eidos had bad reputation since they lacked money and had to rush games. Now, with Squeenix, they have everything - talent & money - to release great games and they're doing it.

[Bekkael]

Thanks Criz! I hate posting someone's work without cred.

[Estelindis]

meonlyred wrote...

Thane had a wife, Garrus was with the recon scout, it was hinted that Jacob had a thing with Miri, and Kaidan had Rahna.  

As I commented in another thread some time ago, it's always bothered me that male characters written as LIs for female player-characters often have some romantic past with another woman than ended sadly.  Consider: NWN's Aarin Gend; HotU's Valen Shadowbreath; NWN2's Casavir (though the romantic scandal from his past is only mentioned vaguely, never really explained); Jade Empire's Sky; Carth's wife; Thane's wife.  Even in cases where things didn't end sadly, it has be mentioned that he's been with someone before (e.g. Garrus, Jacob).  Contrast this with female characters intended as LIs for male player-characters.  Sometimes they'll have some previous romance, but as often as not they'll be innocent and romantically clueless, relying on the manly hero to initiate them into the mysterious world of love.  It's a gender double standard.  Alistair was such a refreshing change from this stereotype.  Kaidan is somewhere in-between, in that we know he cared deeply about Rahna, but the two were never romantically involved.  Furthermore, the story about her serves to explain why he's so reserved when it comes to his adult personality and why he treats the relationship with Shepard at times as if it's a delicate object that he doesn't want to drop and shatter on the ground.

[Hotaru29]

Criz-Zone wrote...

Bekkael wrote...


Edit to add some Kaidan. Pulled this off google and can't find who to cred. Is this rabbit?

yes, it's one of rabbitzoro's drawings
when it was posted first awhile ago I asked her about it

I want these plushies. Been thinking about sewing a Kaidan plushie but I'm not using machines and the best can do are these guys 

Edit: whoops. Okay, link goes here

Modifié par Hotaru29, 22 octobre 2011 - 07:35 .

[Bekkael]

Estelindis wrote...
As I commented in another thread some time ago, it's always bothered me that male characters written as LIs for female player-characters often have some romantic past with another woman than ended sadly.  Consider: NWN's Aarin Gend; HotU's Valen Shadowbreath; NWN2's Casavir (though the romantic scandal from his past is only mentioned vaguely, never really explained); Jade Empire's Sky; Carth's wife; Thane's wife.  Even in cases where things didn't end sadly, it has be mentioned that he's been with someone before (e.g. Garrus, Jacob).  Contrast this with female characters intended as LIs for male player-characters.  Sometimes they'll have some previous romance, but as often as not they'll be innocent and romantically clueless, relying on the manly hero to initiate them into the mysterious world of love.  It's a gender double standard.  Alistair was such a refreshing change from this stereotype.  Kaidan is somewhere in-between, in that we know he cared deeply about Rahna, but the two were never romantically involved.  Furthermore, the story about her serves to explain why he's so reserved when it comes to his adult personality and why he treats the relationship with Shepard at times as if it's a delicate object that he doesn't want to drop and shatter on the ground.

^^^ I agree with all of this. It's a double standard and it stinks, and there also needs to be friendship paths available to either gender PC with ALL companions, whether they are a romance or not. It might take more writing, but it would make the game 100% more awesome and replayable.

[mineralica]

Estelindis wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

Thane had a wife, Garrus was with the recon scout, it was hinted that Jacob had a thing with Miri, and Kaidan had Rahna.  

As I commented in another thread some time ago, it's always bothered me that male characters written as LIs for female player-characters often have some romantic past with another woman than ended sadly.  Consider: NWN's Aarin Gend; HotU's Valen Shadowbreath; NWN2's Casavir (though the romantic scandal from his past is only mentioned vaguely, never really explained); Jade Empire's Sky; Carth's wife; Thane's wife.  Even in cases where things didn't end sadly, it has be mentioned that he's been with someone before (e.g. Garrus, Jacob).  Contrast this with female characters intended as LIs for male player-characters.  Sometimes they'll have some previous romance, but as often as not they'll be innocent and romantically clueless, relying on the manly hero to initiate them into the mysterious world of love.  It's a gender double standard.  Alistair was such a refreshing change from this stereotype.  Kaidan is somewhere in-between, in that we know he cared deeply about Rahna, but the two were never romantically involved.  Furthermore, the story about her serves to explain why he's so reserved when it comes to his adult personality and why he treats the relationship with Shepard at times as if it's a delicate object that he doesn't want to drop and shatter on the ground.

One more male LI with dead wife or girlfriend / virgin female LI combo, and I'm grabbing frying pan and going rebel:devil:

Modifié par mineralica, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:00 .

[MageTarot]

Hotaru29 wrote...

I want these plushies. Been thinking about sewing a Kaidan plushie but I'm not using machines and the best can do are these guys 

Edit: whoops. Okay, link goes here

You would make a mint if you got the liscensing approval and mass effected produced them. I already have your slogan:


"Now anyone can sleep with Kaidan!"

[Ellyria]

mineralica wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

Thane had a wife, Garrus was with the recon scout, it was hinted that Jacob had a thing with Miri, and Kaidan had Rahna.  

As I commented in another thread some time ago, it's always bothered me that male characters written as LIs for female player-characters often have some romantic past with another woman than ended sadly.  Consider: NWN's Aarin Gend; HotU's Valen Shadowbreath; NWN2's Casavir (though the romantic scandal from his past is only mentioned vaguely, never really explained); Jade Empire's Sky; Carth's wife; Thane's wife.  Even in cases where things didn't end sadly, it has be mentioned that he's been with someone before (e.g. Garrus, Jacob).  Contrast this with female characters intended as LIs for male player-characters.  Sometimes they'll have some previous romance, but as often as not they'll be innocent and romantically clueless, relying on the manly hero to initiate them into the mysterious world of love.  It's a gender double standard.  Alistair was such a refreshing change from this stereotype.  Kaidan is somewhere in-between, in that we know he cared deeply about Rahna, but the two were never romantically involved.  Furthermore, the story about her serves to explain why he's so reserved when it comes to his adult personality and why he treats the relationship with Shepard at times as if it's a delicate object that he doesn't want to drop and shatter on the ground.

One more male LI with dead wife or girlfriend / virgin female LI, and I'm grabbing frying pan and going rebel:devil:

What if Vega ends up being a virgin with a dead girlfriend and wife that he had at the same time? *mind blown*

[meonlyred]

Estelindis wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

Thane had a wife, Garrus was with the recon scout, it was hinted that Jacob had a thing with Miri, and Kaidan had Rahna.  

As I commented in another thread some time ago, it's always bothered me that male characters written as LIs for female player-characters often have some romantic past with another woman than ended sadly.  Consider: NWN's Aarin Gend; HotU's Valen Shadowbreath; NWN2's Casavir (though the romantic scandal from his past is only mentioned vaguely, never really explained); Jade Empire's Sky; Carth's wife; Thane's wife.  Even in cases where things didn't end sadly, it has be mentioned that he's been with someone before (e.g. Garrus, Jacob).  Contrast this with female characters intended as LIs for male player-characters.  Sometimes they'll have some previous romance, but as often as not they'll be innocent and romantically clueless, relying on the manly hero to initiate them into the mysterious world of love.  It's a gender double standard.  Alistair was such a refreshing change from this stereotype.  Kaidan is somewhere in-between, in that we know he cared deeply about Rahna, but the two were never romantically involved.  Furthermore, the story about her serves to explain why he's so reserved when it comes to his adult personality and why he treats the relationship with Shepard at times as if it's a delicate object that he doesn't want to drop and shatter on the ground.

OMG, you're right I never thought of it that way. Zevran had the other crow chick as well as several other lovers. Anders... well Anders implied he had pretty much everyone as well. Fenris less so. And in *something I'm not supposed to talk about according to user agreement* there is another new love interest who had a fiancée who he leaves after his parents die. But then again, some of the female love interest have someone before you. Leliana, Isabela, Miranda, Jack (kind of).

[Hotaru29]

MageTarot wrote...

Hotaru29 wrote...

I want these plushies. Been thinking about sewing a Kaidan plushie but I'm not using machines and the best can do are these guys 

Edit: whoops. Okay, link goes here

You would make a mint if you got the liscensing approval and mass effected produced them. I already have your slogan:


"Now anyone can sleep with Kaidan!"

*snicker* That line is going to haunt me 

[jeweledleah]

I have no problem with love interests having had someone in their lives and no problem with relationships not working out. after all if those relationships did work out, they wouldn't be single and available now, would they? it just gets tiresome when its all "tragedy and drama" every single time.

I didn't mind Rana at all, because she doesn't die tragically, or whatever else. she's just a young scared girl who wasn't emotionally strong enough to handle violence.

women in refrigerators annoy me. past lovers in general? not at all. relationships happen and sometimes? they don't work out. (yes, I had conversations with my husband about his and mine past relationships. and there's one ex girlfriend of his whom if I ever get to meet, I will hug and thank for helping him mature)

[IdRatherBeSleeping]

Hotaru29 wrote...

sweekeny94 wrote...


I base all of my Sheps off of me. Is that vain? (I am now singing 'your so vain you probably think this Shep is about you, don't you' in my head repeatedly.) Too bad I don't have a pic.

But they never turn out right. I won't be satisfied until I can scan my face into games. I guess it's good I really like the way I look 'cause I am stuck with it. Well unless I want to slice my head open.

I'm having the same problem. Needed about roughly 30 trys or something to get headcannon Ann C. Shepard right. I also have this thing going on were every character of mine has a name somewhat similar to mine. Started in KotOR where the name-uh...thingy that offers you names accidentally showed my real name xD
Thus were born:
Grey Warden Commander Catrina Cousland
Lieutenant Commander Ann C. Shepard 
and Marian Hawke (Marian is already somewhat similar to my name)
And yes, all those look like me. Or the closest I can get in CC.

...I wonder if this is considered an ego thing... 
Don't have a pic either. Not so bad though, I guess, since I shaved her head for rp reasons. (makes most sense to me, since not even the scars were healed yet, that cerberus wouldn't have grown out her hair yet. So shaved it is!  She's not pretty at the moment, no no)

Also whoever asked what o/s means? It's Opposite Sex. As opposed to s/s = Same Sex

I can't tell you how many Shep saves I have had to delete because when I took her into the game I hated her face.
And about the shaved head, I do the exact same thing. It takes years and years to grow longer hair and since her body has barely been 'regrown' it would make no sense if any Shep had a big head of hair. And how are they supposed do medical proceedures with hair in the anyhow? And I have never been a fan the lego hair anyway so its not like I am attached to the *sarcasm* beatiful hair provided to us.

Sorry for the reply to something like 5-6 pages back:unsure:. I missed lot today. Back to reading everything else.

[Hotaru29]

sweekeny94 wrote...


I can't tell you how many Shep saves I have had to delete because when I took her into the game I hated her face.
And about the shaved head, I do the exact same thing. It takes years and years to grow longer hair and since her body has barely been 'regrown' it would make no sense if any Shep had a big head of hair. And how are they supposed do medical proceedures with hair in the anyhow? And I have never been a fan the lego hair anyway so its not like I am attached to the *sarcasm* beatiful hair provided to us.

Sorry for the reply to something like 5-6 pages back:unsure:. I missed lot today. Back to reading everything else.

Effed up the cheek bones. Every. Single. TIME /rant 
I have her quite okay now  though. She has a bit of a cheek gaunt but I blame that one on the CC, not on me, because the cheekbone is already the smallest possible. Ah well.

Having high hopes for the ME3 character creator though, 'specially after all the ruckus about femshep. Since they're including all those haircuts for Femshep. Been pining for a short pixie cut for ages. Also I hope they'll work over the MShep-stuff. I have until this day not found any way to make an MShep who was not either fugly or asian.<_< 
Went with asian then. Good thing I planned my main MShep as an asian/asian influenced. Still didn't turn out as handsome as I wanted him to be. Ah well = /

Edited for effed up quotations.


Note to self: I love the "eff"-word way too much. 

Modifié par Hotaru29, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:32 .

[mineralica]

Chylise wrote...

<...>
What if Vega ends up being a virgin with a dead girlfriend and wife that he had at the same time? *mind blown*

Don't mind it only if Sgt. Whiskers will have the same background;)

[Cypher0020]

I hope the ME3 CC is good too... I like Charlie in ME1 now... but if I directly import into ME2 she'll come out looking fugly no matter what... and I HATE going through the whole intro again for a retweak....

Now I heard you can't use CC in ME3? I hope not.....

[sesheta255]

lmao re the cheekbones. I had one Shepard who didn't need a weapon, she could have gored mercs to death with her cheekbones. They actually didn't look that bad in the CC, lol.

I only have one male Shep and I stuck to default Sheploo because I couldn't have made anything better with my non existent character creating skills, lol.

Re Kotor - I enjoyed both games and would put them both in my top 10 favourite games list, with Kotor 1 being in the top 5. It's just a shame that Kotor 2 was released before it was finished. And I wanted a proper Atton romance for my exile too, lol. My hopes for Kotor 3 ever being made died when TOR was announced.

Modifié par sesheta255, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:43 .

[Clara Shepard]

Bekkael wrote...

Okay, I did my best to transcribe this one that Raphael Sbarge recorded as Kaidan speaking to Shepard. Maybe like sending an audio email? He has so many natural pauses, that I did my best to reflect that. <3

Kaidan Alenko said...

"Shepard, it's Kaidan.

I need to tell you that, uh,... it's been a long wait since we've had a chance to play together, to go out...do what we need to do, travel the universe....keep this galaxy safe. I just want you to know that, uh, I really depend on you, and I'm really, really looking forward to this mission, to the missions we have ahead and, um, to the excitement that...we know that we have a galaxy to protect and places to go....and...a world to discover.

Signing off."

You know, I kind of feel like this would fit in between ME2 and ME3... right before the trial, when he's coming to see shepard.... it would be awesome if that's where it goes   God, Raphy is good at what he does...


Edit: damn, top

Modifié par Clara Shepard, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:55 .