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[ADLegend21]

TeenZombie wrote...

Chylise wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Personally, after two games, and feeling emotionally invested in the characters, there are certain scenarios I will not go through.  It wouldn't be fun for me, and I would not finish the game.  So, if they were definitely in, I am not playing.

BUT, as others have said, there's a chance that I won't be put in that position, as a player.  Which is why I am making everybody else guinea pigs to tell me if I'm going to enjoy ME3.  You all don't mind, right???  

I dunno Teen, are you going to supply us with snacks? :lol:

Sure!  I made a Batman rainbow cake for my son's birthday:  link  link, I could make an N7 version for ME3's release.

Anyone who finishes the game and spills all the relevant secrets I need to know gets a piece!  

I'm in!

[jeweledleah]

vulpesetuva wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

this, for me.

with one exception.  I have 2 games that I planned for keeping Anders alive.  I'm still not sure if I ever finish one of them. 

which is why I have my plan.  and I'm keeping it CE, becasue if by some chance my fears are unfounded - I don't want to miss out on it.. and if the fears come true - CE's, unlike regular editions actualy go up in price with time.

<--mercenary

I have the CE preordered, but it wasn't for that reason. I must say I like the way you think though.

well... I originaly wanted art book, Litho and a puppy  and if I like what I hear, I'll enjoy the heck out of them   but if the spoilers will be as bad as i fear?  they will serve a different purpose and I'll just wait for a sale, like I did with DA2

P.S.  Anders didn't have to die in DA2 either and if you do keep him alive and romanced, he stays with Hawke, so for some, that qualifies as a happy ending.  not for me, though.  there are things IMO, that are worse then unavoidable deaths.  lets just hope that we don't have to deal with them in ME3.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[helenovision]

ADLegend21 wrote...

oh hey look at this:
While there's no mention of how this happened, BioWare's Jesse Houston notes that the leaked content is "out of date and does not reflect the final story experience."

No, I get that, but even if a majority of it happens to be out of date, we don't know if there may be things from the draft that make it into the final scenario.  Even if it's something tiny, something ultimately insignificant to the plot, we don't know if it might have made it into the final draft of the game.  That being said, hypothetically speaking, what if half of this stuff does make it into the final game?  That would mean I would have already spoiled half of the experience for myself.  There's  been some stuff out there that's been truly unavoidable, and that you would have had to have had the patience of a god to find a way to block it out, but something like this, where a great deal of the experience very possibly could be ruined, I'm doing my absolute best to hold back from ruining the one thing I've been truly looking forward to.  

[sesheta255]

vulpesetuva wrote...

Okay, I know I said I'd be optimistic before but seriously, IMHO some of us have well-founded fears. No, there was nothing in the spoilers that suggested that we can't have a happily ever after with Kaidan. That doesn't mean that there's no possibility of Kaidan becoming so FUBAR'ed that his character becomes ruined for some of us.

For me, it's like Anders in DA2. I do not have a single post-game save where he's alive. I can't even bring myself to romance him because of what he does. Plenty of people love him, though, and hey, great for them. But for me, personally, Anders is so completely ruined I can't even enjoy him in DAA any more.

And that's what I'm worried about. The writers can't please everyone, and apparently plenty of people are fine with the revealed spoilers. Again, great for them. But there was enough in the spoilers that has me seriously concerned about Kaidan's character arc.

No, I'm not cancelling my preorder. I know myself well enough that regardless of what happens I'm going to have to play it. But telling me to have faith based on Bioware writers and devs, because they've never intentionally misdirected us or shown bias towards certain characters that aren't Kaidan before? Sorry, I can't have faith like that. And yeah, I'm sure Sbarge has recorded plenty of lovely lines, but if to get them I have to force my Shepards to roll over like whipped dogs and act in a way that's completely out of character for them, then I guess I just won't be getting them. Whatever.

I agree, but I haven't preordered ME3 yet.  I was always going to take a wait and see approach to buying ME3, mainly because I was underwhelmed with ME2, and from the little I'd seen/heard about ME3 pre-spoilers it seemed like it was going in the same direction.

Having read the spoilers in their entirety I can say that there are some things that seem accurate and others that I'm sceptical about, however I'm like you in that I'm seriously concerned about Kaidan's story arc.  I'm a pessimist by nature so I don't believe all of biowares damage control spin.

[syllogi]

helenovision wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

oh hey look at this:
While there's no mention of how this happened, BioWare's Jesse Houston notes that the leaked content is "out of date and does not reflect the final story experience."

No, I get that, but even if a majority of it happens to be out of date, we don't know if there may be things from the draft that make it into the final scenario.  Even if it's something tiny, something ultimately insignificant to the plot, we don't know if it might have made it into the final draft of the game.  That being said, hypothetically speaking, what if half of this stuff does make it into the final game?  That would mean I would have already spoiled half of the experience for myself.  There's  been some stuff out there that's been truly unavoidable, and that you would have had to have had the patience of a god to find a way to block it out, but something like this, where a great deal of the experience very possibly could be ruined, I'm doing my absolute best to hold back from ruining the one thing I've been truly looking forward to.  

You're absolutely right, and I think those who read the spoilers and say it's no big deal to talk about them openly now that the devs say they're out of date are fooling themselves -- no, not everything written in the leaked TLK files will make it to the finished product, but some of it most definitely will.  As Isaac himself pointed out elsewhere, one of the things I really didn't like had been mentioned elsewhere, before this leak.  So this isn't some crazy scribbling with no relevance to the real game.

So, I will try my best to be as vague as possible if we have to mention the leak, and hopefully everybody else will try to keep it out of here too.  There's plenty of places to talk about the spoilers, without posting them in the public forum.

[shepskisaac]

@TeenZombie I hope I didn't say anything I shouldn't. Only said Kaidan's alot in ME3 and that there's no unavoidable death, thought this wouldn't be really a 'spoiler'.

[Graceyn]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

::snipped::

Whoever that artwork belong to, you are seriously amazing at it. wow!

Yeah, she[?] has some amazing work (including several versions of this lovely piece):  efleck.deviantart.com/gallery/

[Jade5233]

IsaacShep wrote...

@TeenZombie I hope I didn't say anything I shouldn't. Only said Kaidan's alot in ME3 and that there's no unavoidable death, thought this wouldn't be really a 'spoiler'.

I don't think you did.  It was a worry we all had.  You combating that fear is helpful, in my book, not harmful in the typical way of spoilers.  But that's just my opinion.

[Lyriel25]

IsaacShep wrote...
No prob. I really don't wanna spoil anything but I see people are very very worried. Yes, there may be things people will not like (though it ain't 100% sure yet if they will even make it to the game, these were early drafts, not to mention what people will or will not like is completly subjective) but Kaidan definitely is hella lot in ME3 and there's no forced/unavoidable death for him fans were so worried about. I think that's what people want to know the most.

If I wind up hating him, or worse he winds up hating me, that would spell the end of any Bioware games for me just as soundly as a forced death would have. There is only so much jerking around I will take in the name of entertainment. I play games to escape RL, not to experience more misery in a different setting. And in terms of gameplay, I can tell you I would never open ME3 (or any other ME game) again if the end experience is horrible. Zero (0) replayabiity. Oddly, since I doubt they are actively pursuing zero (0) replayability, that is the most reassurance I can find that they won't force us down such a road.

KOTOR 2 + this Revan novel made me unhappy enough at them for taking back a story and character over which they had given me control. I will get smacked in the face with their (poorly written, judging by the excerpts) canon Revan in SW:ToR, and I don't like it. They should have left it alone, or done a KOTOR 3, rather than forcing their version of events so unlikely as to bend even my suspension of disbelief just to have a Revan tie-in for SW:ToR 300 years later. The Star Wars IP, and the KOTOR series, were both strong enough for SW:ToR to have done well without it.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Bioware, and we're done. 

Dang. Waaaaay too serious. Perhaps this will help make amends:

[syllogi]

IsaacShep wrote...

@TeenZombie I hope I didn't say anything I shouldn't. Only said Kaidan's alot in ME3 and that there's no unavoidable death, thought this wouldn't be really a 'spoiler'.

Don't worry about it, it's inevitable that we'd talk about the leak, even in a roundabout way.  Some threads are WAY worse than we've been, lately.  

I just don't want people to think it's okay to start talking about specifics because they think that none of it will show up ingame -- that's unrealistic.  And I don't want to make other people as miserable as I was when I read the spoilers, if they chose to stay away from them.

[vulpesetuva]

Sbarge also said that there was a rip your heart out moment, didn't he? If it's referring to a particular plot point, then I repeat my whipped dog comment. If it's referring to something else, great. Guys, I want things to turn out well. But I'm going to ready myself for the worst, just in case.

I know it's an old outdated draft, and the BW writers are perfectly capable of crafting an excellent story. Nowhere in my post did I say that ME3 would be teh werst gaem evar. But things from the draft WILL be in ME3. And frankly some of the things in there, as outlined, suck. Maude, skirting the line like this is so hard. Must keep spoilers out of this thread, though.

Like I said, I have the CE preordered. Gah, I want that artbook so bad! I wish our little mech-dog would follow us on missions, summonable like the mabari in DA2. 

And here, to cheer things up a bit, have a picture of what every Shep wants to see in their bed morning/afternoon/evening:


By Jho.

Modifié par vulpesetuva, 08 novembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[ubermensch007]

Wow... It's been like forever since my last post in this thread...

I've been thinking about what I like about the Kaidan and Shepard male relationship in Mass Effect 1.And how I would like to see it continued in ME3.During one of my favorite conversations betwixt Alenko and Shepard is when you first recruit Liara'T Soni:

I may not have this verbatim:
Shepard says,"Remember Lieutenant.I saw her first."

Kaidan replies: "Only by a few seconds.Sir."

This got me thinking.Wouldn't it be cool in Mass Effect 3.That there will be windows of opportunity for romances to take place.But if you fail to do your part, another party member will take a shot.Or even better, there should be some competition for certain potential love interest affections.In my perfect Mass Effect Canon Playthrough.

In Mass Effect 3.Kaidan Alenko is romantically involved with Miranda Lawson.And my Commander Shepard is back with his ME1 love interest Ashley Williams.

But of course that can never be.Because BioWare caused one of them to die on Virmire.  But in my heart.This is how I wish it to be in ME3... Kai/Miri Shep/Ash

[Fault Girl]

I'm going to keep my pre-order, I'm still excited for the game. I shall remain positive. *fingers crossed*

I shall just keep listening to Raphaels audioblogs. *sigh*

I swear each big game that comes out things get leaked. So annoying. I was a newb when I came to franchise. Had no idea about anything or anyone or anywho. LOLZ

All I will say is, I want everything to be equal with all the characters such as VS, Liara, Garrus etc. I know there will be signs of favourtism but...one can hope.


Don't even get me going on the whole Revan thing!

[vulpesetuva]

ubermensch007 wrote...

This got me thinking.Wouldn't it be cool in Mass Effect 3.That there will be windows of opportunity for romances to take place.But if you fail to do your part, another party member will take a shot.Or even better, there should be some competition for certain potential love interest affections.In my perfect Mass Effect Canon Playthrough.

In Mass Effect 3.Kaidan Alenko is romantically involved with Miranda Lawson.And my Commander Shepard is back with his ME1 love interest Ashley Williams.

But of course that can never be.Because BioWare caused one of them to die on Virmire.  But in my heart.This is how I wish it to be in ME3... Kai/Miri Shep/Ash

... I'm not even going to lie, Kai/Miri is headcanon for me on my manShep playthroughs where he romances Jack. It's all jtav's fault! I love and support this. It's like in DA2 *highlight for possible spoilers* Fenris and Isabela hook up if they're unromanced. I love when squadmates have lives that don't revolve solely around the protagonist.

[mineralica]

vulpesetuva wrote...

Sbarge also said that there was a rip your heart out moment, didn't he? If it's referring to a particular plot point, then I repeat my whipped dog comment. If it's referring to something else, great. Guys, I want things to turn out well. But I'm going to ready myself for the worst, just in case.

I know it's an old outdated draft, and the BW writers are perfectly capable of crafting an excellent story. Nowhere in my post did I say that ME3 would be teh werst gaem evar. But things from the draft WILL be in ME3. And frankly some of the things in there, as outlined, suck. Maude, skirting the line like this is so hard. Must keep spoilers out of this thread, though.

Like I said, I have the CE preordered. Gah, I want that artbook so bad! I wish our little mech-dog would follow us on missions, summonable like the mabari in DA2. 

And here, to cheer things up a bit, have a picture of what every Shep wants to see in their bed morning/afternoon/evening:

/snip
By Jho.

I understand your meaning - I was completely depressed yesterday. But today is new day, and it's not my style to be depressed for long.

My overoptimistic position: if some crap may happen, do everything that you can to avoid it (in our case, point unpleasant moments to devs on forum... looks like done; then cancel preorder / follow the Jeweledleah's scenario / keep preorder until further to release to prevent loss of money), and then... relax. No matter how unsettling situation is, this won't spoil my mood. I prepared for the worst and now have all intention to hope for the best.

[Ellyria]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I'm going to keep my pre-order, I'm still excited for the game. I shall remain positive. *fingers crossed*

I shall just keep listening to Raphaels audioblogs. *sigh*

I swear each big game that comes out things get leaked. So annoying. I was a newb when I came to franchise. Had no idea about anything or anyone or anywho. LOLZ

All I will say is, I want everything to be equal with all the characters such as VS, Liara, Garrus etc. I know there will be signs of favourtism but...one can hope.


Don't even get me going on the whole Revan thing!

I always seem to get into a franchise late, whether it be games or TV shows (just started playing Mass Effect early this year), so I'm not around for all the waiting, and spoilers, and leaking, etc. Then usually I'm like "I wish I had started playing/watching this sooner so I could have been waiting and speculating with the rest of the fandom!"

And then stuff like the leak happens and I'm like "Geez, why couldn't I have discovered this like a year after the game came out?"

Such a double edged sword.  I will admit that I like speculating before the game comes out, and discussion when the game comes out, and not scramble to find people a year or two later. (No one in the Battlestar Galactica community is ever going to hear of my hope and love for Billy. )


The Revan thing... I don't know if I'd blame BioWare as much as LucasArts. They're the ones that have to give the O-K on what happens in their universe, right?

[shepskisaac]

Chylise wrote...

The Revan thing... I don't know if I'd blame BioWare as much as LucasArts. They're the ones that have to give the O-K on what happens in their universe, right?

Yes. BioWare/EA/Obsidian can't do anything with Star Wars on their own. LucasArts cancelled KOTOR 3 and wanted an Old Republic MMO and they would've made it regardless if with BioWare or not.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 08 novembre 2011 - 08:55 .

[vulpesetuva]

mineralica wrote...

I understand your meaning - I was completely depressed yesterday. But today is new day, and it's not my style to be depressed for long.

My overoptimistic position: if some crap may happen, do everything that you can to avoid it (in our case, point unpleasant moments to devs on forum... looks like done; then cancel preorder / follow the Jeweledleah's scenario / keep preorder until further to release to prevent loss of money), and then... relax. No matter how unsettling situation is, this won't spoil my mood. I prepared for the worst and now have all intention to hope for the best.

Really, this is how I feel. I just have this terrible habit of getting overly defensive, and needed to vent how I felt after the past couple days of "lol, anyone worried about the leak is stupid because it's outdated/dev said not to worry/x reason" that's floating around mainly in the general discussion area. Which is why I only post here. I like all of you people. 

Plus, I've got Skyrim coming on Friday. I won't be caring about ME3 spoilers again before the new year at least.

[Lyriel25]

IsaacShep wrote...

Chylise wrote...

The Revan thing... I don't know if I'd blame BioWare as much as LucasArts. They're the ones that have to give the O-K on what happens in their universe, right?

Yes. BioWare/EA/Obsidian can't do anything with Star Wars on their own. LucasArts cancelled KOTOR 3 and wanted an Old Republic MMO and they would've made it regardless if with BioWare or not.

I've been around a while, and am familiar with games based on IP licenses. Generally, the developer designs story arcs and everything else related to the actual game, running their ideas past the IP holderr for approval. The IP holder isn't in the game development business. They're not the one designing things like story lines or mechanics, only approving/disapproving things related to the 'lore'/'canon'. So assuming the usual business model, Bioware is hardly blameless. And it's not like George has always shown the best judgment regarding his IP...

In the case of Mass Effect, BW is the IP holder... so while they have the absolute right to mess around with it any way they want to, in practice they need to be aware that their playerbase will not always react positively if they take certain directions.

[JillHawke]

I hope I'm not the only one listening to "Kaidan's Message" over and over again^_^

fav.me/d4ei42l     a nice Kaidan pic ,   gah clearly I'm new to posting links,hope you can still go to it xD

Modifié par JillHawke, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:46 .

[Jade5233]

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[mineralica]

vulpesetuva wrote...

Really, this is how I feel. I just have this terrible habit of getting overly defensive, and needed to vent how I felt after the past couple days of "lol, anyone worried about the leak is stupid because it's outdated/dev said not to worry/x reason" that's floating around mainly in the general discussion area. Which is why I only post here. I like all of you people. 

Plus, I've got Skyrim coming on Friday. I won't be caring about ME3 spoilers again before the new year at least.

Sorry, got distracted by this piece of unused ME2 text. Thanks Mesina2 for posting this link at new "leaked info" discussion, I nearly died from laughter at the end of post.

[Chignon]

I realise this is a bit off-topic but I really love your avatar, vulpesetuva!

[Jean]

waitstoptheworld

There's a canon Revan in The Old Republic?

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