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[sanmar]

MACharlie1 wrote...

What I do hear is the criticism towards his and Ashley's role regarding...two characters who have an antagonistic role towards Shepard. 

That's exactly my fear, but I didn't read all spoilers. So I hope they will change some parts or it will make a difference, if you romance him or not.

[IdRatherBeSleeping]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I did it in Microsoft Word. I'm in the middle of writing an assignment. I never intended to trick anyone, I thought it'd be blatant as a response to sweekny, but well, when I saw your reactions... Isaac you party pooper!

:wizard:Ha ha, love the picture @fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb (come on now, really. We should just call you jumbles. That's a lot easier than that mess of letters).

What a goofy bunch we all are:P, but I suppose a lot of us are on edge right now. I didn't see it either until I was reading comments and looked more closely to see what all the fuss was about. It looks good for doing that in Word. I didn't know you could stuff like that in Word. Must be some hidden menus and knowledge I have refused to be enlightened to due to my never ending stubbornness (I absolutely refuse any instruction in such things for an unclear reason. I prefer to figure things out as I go. But it is an incredibly stupid behavior none the less. At least I know it).

Modifié par sweekeny94, 18 novembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[syllogi]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I hope they don't change kaidans personality at all

They already did, in ME2. They took a biotic, and made him shoot fruitlessly at collector swarms with an assault rifle. They put words in his mouth that made him completely interchangeable with Ashley, and then they had him send a weak email that was designed to send players running into the arms of the ME2 LIs. 

I still adore the character we met in ME1, but at this point I don't think we're going to get to meet him again. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

TeenZombie wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I hope they don't change kaidans personality at all

They already did, in ME2. They took a biotic, and made him shoot fruitlessly at collector swarms with an assault rifle. They put words in his mouth that made him completely interchangeable with Ashley, and then they had him send a weak email that was designed to send players running into the arms of the ME2 LIs. 

I still adore the character we met in ME1, but at this point I don't think we're going to get to meet him again.

*hugs*

Sometimes hope itself feels hopeless...

[sjmlka1]

I hope in ME3 there will be a bit of tension between Shep and Kaiden. I understand the reason he didn't want to go with Shepard in ME 2, but still....he questioned her/him loyalty and then left her/him. I would like to see some of that drama played out a bit in ME3 not just jumping into what they had before. I mean it has been 2 years or so...people change a bit. I think Kaiden needs to be the one to initiate a romance with Shep, maybe with some begging (LOL). Besides that letter he sent wasn't very warm it actually made me want my Fem Shep to record a different message at the Citadel shops..."I'm Commander Shepard and I want you to know Kaiden Alenko has the smallest penis on the Citadel!!!!" However, if I had done that I wouldn't have gotten my + to Paragon, on the other hand my Renagade might have gone up.

Modifié par sjmlka1, 17 novembre 2011 - 02:21 .

[leighzard]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I hope they don't change kaidans personality at all

They
already did, in ME2. They took a biotic, and made him shoot fruitlessly
at collector swarms with an assault rifle. They put words in his mouth
that made him completely interchangeable with Ashley, and then they had
him send a weak email that was designed to send players running into the
arms of the ME2 LIs. 

I still adore the character we met in ME1, but at this point I don't think we're going to get to meet him again.

*hugs* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Sometimes hope itself feels hopeless...

I refuse to believe this.  I just can't accept that after tearing Kaidan and Shepard apart in ME2, that BW would saddle us with an Anders for ME3.  Sure, it's been 3 years, and Kaidan's changed, but so has Shep.  The things they did in ME2 were part of the game to have a reason the VS couldn't be in your crew.  It seemed a little ooc at the time, but I think ultimately it was the right way to go.  Did it go down the way I wanted it to?  Not exactly, but you don't have control over other's decisions in RL either.  I firmly  believe  that Kaidan is still Kaidan.  He's a more independent, more self-assured, and still true to himself.  Hence, his decision not to work with Cerberus in ME2, even though it sucked not to have him around.

So I say we've put in our time.  And BW is going to reward all the good little fangirls and boys.  Yes, maybe things will be rough at first.  I expect some awkwardness.  Honestly, it would be more awkward if Kaidan just walked up to Shep and offered to pick things up right where they left off.  A lot has happened between Ilos and the Reaper invasion.  But there is just no way that BW would spend so much time developing the characters of Kaidan and Ashley just to turn them into an interchangeable Alliance soldier.  If there weren't more to tell in Kaidan's story, they would have just left him out of the squad altogether.

So there.  Hope has a purpose after all.

Sorry for all those words.

EDIT:
"I'm Commander Shepard and I want you to know Kaiden Alenko has the smallest penis on the Citadel!!!!"
^That almost made orange juice come out my nose.

Modifié par leborum, 17 novembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[JaerWolfe]

leborum wrote...
I refuse to believe this. I just can't accept that after tearing Kaidan and Shepard apart in ME2, that BW would saddle us with an Anders for ME3. Sure, it's been 3 years, and Kaidan's changed, but so has Shep. The things they did in ME2 were part of the game to have a reason the VS couldn't be in your crew. It seemed a little ooc at the time, but I think ultimately it was the right way to go. Did it go down the way I wanted it to? Not exactly, but you don't have control over other's decisions in RL either. I firmly believe that Kaidan is still Kaidan. He's a more independent, more self-assured, and still true to himself. Hence, his decision not to work with Cerberus in ME2, even though it sucked not to have him around.

So I say we've put in our time. And BW is going to reward all the good little fangirls and boys. Yes, maybe things will be rough at first. I expect some awkwardness. Honestly, it would be more awkward if Kaidan just walked up to Shep and offered to pick things up right where they left off. A lot has happened between Ilos and the Reaper invasion. But there is just no way that BW would spend so much time developing the characters of Kaidan and Ashley just to turn them into an interchangeable Alliance soldier. If there weren't more to tell in Kaidan's story, they would have just left him out of the squad altogether.

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There is a difference between awkwardness and downright hostility. The latter is what occurs. I used to excuse Horizon as bad writing but I believe that was a naive view, now. Horizon was foreshadowing. Genesis was reality. It was a glimpse of what is to come and Kaidan's OOC in both doesn't go away in ME3.
Bioware is under no obligation to 'reward all good little fangirls and boys'. They are a company out to make money. Kaidan is the least liked of any of the characters of ME1. He is the one killed most on Virmire. BW loses little by using Kaidan as a rather pathetic plot device. I mean, they've made fun of him themselves often enough in the past. It used to be the cool thing to do until poor Jacob came and stole the title.

His being the counterpart to Ashley is no protection, either. Ashley suffers from her own problems in the fandom at large and Bioware will weigh pissing off a minority of fans with satisfying their larger fan base in the decisions they make.

ME3 isn't a compelling story anymore, hasn't been, really since ME1, it's a popularity contest and we made the 'wrong' choice.

I don't mean to be a debbie downer, but to think that the Kaidan we knew in ME1 will be even similar to the one met in ME3 is a false hope. His original writer is gone and the ones working ME3 don't even like him.

[Fault Girl]

I feel that because Mass Effect is a sci-fi themed game that they expected us to fawn over aliens. The reason why I love Kaidan as a character is due to me wanting someone like that in real-life.

I also feel that they make the the non-human PC's seem infallible to do no wrong, there should be some doubt or mistrust but the VS alread covered that in ME2 why need for a repeat in ME3? Why can't Tali/Garrus or whoever have a slight misjudgement as well. To make them as Kaidan says "human"

I'm a fan of Tali and Garrus but so far there's nothing that causes a rift between them and Shepard, as someone already said you can persuade/paragon them into being fine with you. We weren't given that with the VS.

The whole thing that irks me is the whole Horizon issue, I hate to say it but people seriously got butt-heart at being "shouted" at. Feels that the nay-sayers have never been in a relationship or argument before. Heck I've said stupid things when I've been angry.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 17 novembre 2011 - 03:26 .

[jeweledleah]

sadly - I'm with Jaer on this one.

sure they will reward their little fangirls and fanboys. We're just not part of the group that's getting rewarded. my occasional bouts of hope and optimism are getting lower and lower as the release date grows closer and closer.

oh well - at least SWTOR is shaping up to be a fantastic game, there's always that...

[Estelindis]

 I really hope you're right, Leborum.  Thanks for keeping the candle burning.  

[JeffZero]

I'd think that with Raphael Sbarge himself talking about how much he's enjoyed Kaidan's role in ME3, people would be a bit more cheerful.

[Naamah_bb]

You know the saying 'curiosity killed the cat'? Well, as I am curious as hell, i once again peeked in the spoilers and some stuff there is just awwwwww  :wub:
I am a weak weak woman

[leianajade]

Holy mackerel, guys. You all woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It's going to be okay.

Here, I'll even contribute. Here's a screenshot I saved from my first (& canon) femshep.



(a song from the mass effect soundtrack started playing while I was typing this, so good omens, people! <3) 

[jeweledleah]

Raphael Sbarge plays a lot of different roles, he enjoyed his acting challenges, but it says nothing of character consistency. I saw the spoilers as well. not happy with the direction at all. keep telling myself - its only a draft, some things may be improved yet, but... that's wistful thinking, really.

I'll probably enjoy the game anyways, especially with Shepards that are with LI's that are favored by developers or with new ME3 LI's. but I have very little hope left that my Kaidanmancing canon will get the conclusion she deserves.

[JeffZero]

Well, fair enough of course, leah. Can't comment as I haven't seen the spoilers. (Jacob's were pretty jarring though, no doubt...) I'm glad you'll at least enjoy the game to some extent regardless!

Thanks for the pic, leiana.

[Naamah_bb]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Naamah_bb wrote...

You know the saying 'curiosity killed the cat'? Well, as I am curious as hell, i once again peeked in the spoilers and some stuff there is just awwwwww  :wub:
I am a weak weak woman

Can you private mail me what's awww?
I'm extreeeeemely curious aswell :innocent:

Sent

[Fault Girl]

JeffZero wrote...

I'd think that with Raphael Sbarge himself talking about how much he's enjoyed Kaidan's role in ME3, people would be a bit more cheerful.

I keep forgetting about that, I'm sure Bioware have done him justice, it's just the VS gets enough flack compared to the other PC's

I just like every character and cant see why people cant see that faults dont make someone evil or boring.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 17 novembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[JeffZero]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I'd think that with Raphael Sbarge himself talking about how much he's enjoyed Kaidan's role in ME3, people would be a bit more cheerful.

I keep forgetting about that, I'm sure Bioware have done him justice, it's just the VS gets enough flack compared to the PC's

I just like every character and cant see why people cant see that faults dont make someone evil or boring.

I agree. And I like every character too -- whenever they portray their faults I find it fascinating. No one's perfect. Not Kaidan and not Miranda either. It all intrigues me. 

[Naamah_bb]

jeweledleah wrote...

Raphael Sbarge plays a lot of different roles, he enjoyed his acting challenges, but it says nothing of character consistency. I saw the spoilers as well. not happy with the direction at all. keep telling myself - its only a draft, some things may be improved yet, but... that's wistful thinking, really.

I'll probably enjoy the game anyways, especially with Shepards that are with LI's that are favored by developers or with new ME3 LI's. but I have very little hope left that my Kaidanmancing canon will get the conclusion she deserves.

I don't know... I'm not so pessimistic... as I said before, I would be actually disappointed if everything was easy and perfect and fluffly and stuff. I think it has to be an epic story, regardless how much you have to put effort in it.

[Fault Girl]

JeffZero wrote...

I agree. And I like every character too -- whenever they portray their faults I find it fascinating. No one's perfect. Not Kaidan and not Miranda either. It all intrigues me. 

My first PT of ME2 I hate Miranda with a passion, then soon I properly listened to her and thought actually I can see why she is Miranda. Now she's one of my favourites.

Kaidan is so subtle, he kinda creeps up on you

TOP: Kaidan is high-res goodness.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 17 novembre 2011 - 04:04 .