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[leighzard]

I have also cried over games, but it does make me feel a little silly.

So with the romance set up in DA:O, I really liked how you could get to the same place in lots of different ways. My first warden was all "omnomnomnoms" over Alistair and threw herself at him repeatedly until he relented. The next warden took things a little slower, and it was really rewarding when he came to her. So one's off wardening about with him forever, and the other's married to him, so they both got their happily ever afters, but there's lots of different ways to get there.

Anyway the point here, is that maybe Paragon/Renegade options play out a little bit like that. Or what you did in a past game changes your dialogue options, but you can still cross the finish line happy.

[rapscallioness]

leborum wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Ive read the spoilers but i dont want to reveal anything that would ruin anything but i will say that what you do throughout the games does make an impact. def does. especially the relationships.

First of all, you guys have been really busy.  And it's depressing in here.

Second, I'm never cheating on Kaidan again.  I thought it might be fun to have a pt where Shep hooked up with someone after he basically broke up with her on Horizon, and then there could be some drama and fights over her and whatnot, but on second thought, no.  Not happenening.

About Kaidan's character development.  I think it would be pretty lame if he were exactly the same as he is in ME.  He's been through so much if he were all half smiles and rainbows it would be unbelieveable.  I don't think this means we can't have a happy ending with him.  Deep down he's still him, just with a little extra baggage.  And I'm sure Shep can learn to love him baggage and all.

I mean, even Anders offers to run off with you after he blew up the Chantry, so you can have little rogue mage babies together.  And DA2 was really just the most ridiculous game ever. 

Daniella - Nice pic.  They're totally about to make out.
Theresa - Welcome

I agree. Idefinitely expact to see some character development. In ME1, all of your npc's had this kinda...innocenec about them. ME2--all that went out the window. they changed. not completely, but enough so that it was noticeable.

I expect Kaidan to have changed as well. I'm looking forward to getting to know him again. Even tho there may be some thorns on the way to the rose.

[Chaos715]

I agree it's hard to stay positive.  I can't even imagine what it feels like for those of you who have been with the game since 2007.  

At this point, it certainly does seem that we left the Ashley or Kaidan from ME1 on Virmire and the other went down with the Normandy.  Kaidan says that he's changed in the email, to what extent and whether it's justified or not...who knows.  But...to be fair we don't know the whole story yet.  We have no idea what Kaidan's been through in the last 3 years?  Other than dealing with the loss and guilt of Shepard's death and Horizon.  According to a tweet from Mac Walters something of significance occurred during that time (apparently it wasn't important enough to be in a book, DLC or even a stinking comic but still...) that may have led to Kaidan's current state of distrust.  Whether it was significant enough  to warrant, what seems to be such ooc  behavior remains to be seen.

After what happened with Vyrnuus Kaidan disappeared for a while to deal with everything before deciding to join the Alliance.  Many years had passed before we met the man he'd become and Shepard came to know.  He had two years to deal with the grief and guilt of Shepard's death and like two minutes to deal with what seemed like a complete and utter betrayal on Horizon.  It's hard to say what should be expected with all that he's been through in such a short amount of time.  After Horizon, nothings dealt with.  He's just left hanging, with no resolve and no closure.  Dealing with it and moving on are not an option that is given, so it's just left to fester between Horizon and ME3.  I imagine that would be torture for him.  I honestly don't know what kind of behavior would be realistic in that situation and how it would affect someone. /shrug

Maybe what I was expecting...hoping for is completely ridiculous.  In the end, my opionion doesn't really matter, it's Bioware's story, I'm just along for the ride.  I can either accept it and choose to be happy with it or I can dream up my own version.  ME3 certainly doesn't sound like what I was hoping for where Kaidan's concerned, but maybe and hopefully  it's not as completely messed up as it might seem.  Maybe once we've seen the whole picture, it might make more sense.

[rapscallioness]

JeffZero wrote...

I'm one of those bastards who kills a couple of squadmates during the SM almost every time. I like the added realism (IMO; please don't tear me apart over this if you disagree), even if it requires metagaming. Which is not something I particularly enjoy doing, but I make an exception for something like the SM.

LOL, jeff. no that's okay. no one is gonna rip u apart. it's ur game experience. 4 me, i just can't do it. i can't. i can't stand it.

[JeffZero]

Glad to be safe, then!

I understand the compulsion to save everyone all the same, I definitely do. Different strokes for different folks and all that!

[JaerWolfe]

rapscallioness wrote...

leborum wrote...
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About Kaidan's character development. I think it would be pretty lame if he were exactly the same as he is in ME. He's been through so much if he were all half smiles and rainbows it would be unbelieveable. I don't think this means we can't have a happy ending with him. Deep down he's still him, just with a little extra baggage. And I'm sure Shep can learn to love him baggage and all.

I mean, even Anders offers to run off with you after he blew up the Chantry, so you can have little rogue mage babies together. And DA2 was really just the most ridiculous game ever.
snip

I agree. Idefinitely expact to see some character development. In ME1, all of your npc's had this kinda...innocenec about them. ME2--all that went out the window. they changed. not completely, but enough so that it was noticeable.

I expect Kaidan to have changed as well. I'm looking forward to getting to know him again. Even tho there may be some thorns on the way to the rose.

I was actually waiting for someone to bring this up...there is a marked difference between character growth and character bastardization for the purpose of plot. I don't want Kaidan in ME3 to be exactly the same as he was in ME1. I do expect...hell, I even demand...him to at least be based on him.
Character evolution is expected and required. Character schizophrenia is not.

[rapscallioness]

leborum wrote...

I have also cried over games, but it does make me feel a little silly.

So with the romance set up in DA:O, I really liked how you could get to the same place in lots of different ways. My first warden was all "omnomnomnoms" over Alistair and threw herself at him repeatedly until he relented. The next warden took things a little slower, and it was really rewarding when he came to her. So one's off wardening about with him forever, and the other's married to him, so they both got their happily ever afters, but there's lots of different ways to get there.

Anyway the point here, is that maybe Paragon/Renegade options play out a little bit like that. Or what you did in a past game changes your dialogue options, but you can still cross the finish line happy.

that's cool. i like that idea.

i never played DAO...i've got xbox, and it looks pretty intolerable on there. From what I hear, i like the way they approached the romances in DA.

Idk..i might have to deal w/ the blocky graphics...and Silent Hero cuz it does sound like a good game.

[leighzard]

JaerWolfe wrote...

I was actually waiting for someone to bring this up...there is a marked difference between character growth and character bastardization for the purpose of plot. I don't want Kaidan in ME3 to be exactly the same as he was in ME1. I do expect...hell, I even demand...him to at least be based on him.
Character evolution is expected and required. Character schizophrenia is not.

I guess I just haven't schizophrenic Kaidan yet.  After a little bit of reflection and wrestling, I no longer have issues with Kaidan on Horizon (thanks for help with that fellow Kaidanites).  So I'm still pretty optimistic.

*Plugs ears from spoilers* LalalaLAAAA


EDIT:  @rapscallioness - it had it's flaws, for sure, but the story wasn't one of them.  And you can probably pick it up for like $5 now.

Modifié par leborum, 17 novembre 2011 - 06:23 .

[shepskisaac]

rapscallioness wrote...

As far as this "Thing" that's gonna happen w/Kaidan, is this from a default playthru? No import, or past behavior affecting it? Because how you've played b4 should have some affect on whatever this is that happens....right?

It's hard to explain it without spoiling anything.

I see many people get really scared reading pesimistic posts of people who actually did read the spoilers. One thing you should remember is that you may not share the opinon of other people whether something's good/ok/bad/sucks had you actually read the spoilers yourself, or after the game gets released and you see the scenes/dialogues yourself. Everyone who says "I'm not liking what I've read" is stating his/her personal opinion. Chances are, you and other people would see it differently. Best thing someone who avoided the spoilers could do is just wait for the actual game. Frankly, we can't be 100.00% sure what stuff from the spoilers will make it in, what will not, and most importantly, how good OR bad executed certain scenes will be. Execution is the key.

So please peeps, let's not get too pessimistic

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I've just been on the merchandise website. Ive noticed that they have tops for Garrus, Liara, Thane, Femshep, Maleshep, Tali and Miranda but nothing on Kaidan.. :/ I don't get why they can't do a Kaidan top or hoodie, preferably.

They think no one likes Kaidan... Which couldn't be further from the truth. Which is why this petition exists! www.ipetitions.com/petition/we-want-a-kaidan-spectre-hoodie/

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 novembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[jeweledleah]

JaerWolfe wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

leborum wrote...
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About Kaidan's character development. I think it would be pretty lame if he were exactly the same as he is in ME. He's been through so much if he were all half smiles and rainbows it would be unbelieveable. I don't think this means we can't have a happy ending with him. Deep down he's still him, just with a little extra baggage. And I'm sure Shep can learn to love him baggage and all.

I mean, even Anders offers to run off with you after he blew up the Chantry, so you can have little rogue mage babies together. And DA2 was really just the most ridiculous game ever.
snip

I agree. Idefinitely expact to see some character development. In ME1, all of your npc's had this kinda...innocenec about them. ME2--all that went out the window. they changed. not completely, but enough so that it was noticeable.

I expect Kaidan to have changed as well. I'm looking forward to getting to know him again. Even tho there may be some thorns on the way to the rose.

I was actually waiting for someone to bring this up...there is a marked difference between character growth and character bastardization for the purpose of plot. I don't want Kaidan in ME3 to be exactly the same as he was in ME1. I do expect...hell, I even demand...him to at least be based on him.
Character evolution is expected and required. Character schizophrenia is not.

again, I have to agree with Jaer and Teenzombie.  there's character development, and then there's character deraylment.

as for the whole paragon/renegade thing - renegades are not selfish, they are pragmatic.  proper renegade doesn't kill people becasue they are eeebiiil, proper renegade kills people becasue they don't want to leave the loose ends and because they are trying to prevent more deaths further down the road.  sacrifice of the few for the good of the many.

its not black and white, its not darkside and lightside, its merely different methods to achieve the same goal.  and even though I tend to prefer playing paragon, I can totaly understand why some of the renegade players get annoyed with above assumption.

[rapscallioness]

JaerWolfe wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

leborum wrote...
snip

About Kaidan's character development. I think it would be pretty lame if he were exactly the same as he is in ME. He's been through so much if he were all half smiles and rainbows it would be unbelieveable. I don't think this means we can't have a happy ending with him. Deep down he's still him, just with a little extra baggage. And I'm sure Shep can learn to love him baggage and all.

I mean, even Anders offers to run off with you after he blew up the Chantry, so you can have little rogue mage babies together. And DA2 was really just the most ridiculous game ever.
snip

I agree. Idefinitely expact to see some character development. In ME1, all of your npc's had this kinda...innocenec about them. ME2--all that went out the window. they changed. not completely, but enough so that it was noticeable.

I expect Kaidan to have changed as well. I'm looking forward to getting to know him again. Even tho there may be some thorns on the way to the rose.

I was actually waiting for someone to bring this up...there is a marked difference between character growth and character bastardization for the purpose of plot. I don't want Kaidan in ME3 to be exactly the same as he was in ME1. I do expect...hell, I even demand...him to at least be based on him.
Character evolution is expected and required. Character schizophrenia is not.

lol..yes, you were waiting, weren't you? you just swooped down outta the rafters.

But, uh, yeah...i'm really in no position to argue about whatever has happened w/Kaidan because I haven't read the spoilers. So, yeah...

[leianajade]

In a trilogy, the middle is usually the hardest part. In the first part, you get to know the characters, and they set off on their grand adventure. In part two, everything has to break. The drama has to escalate, and may very well look bleak even into part three. At the beginning of Return of the Jedi, the empire has been winning - Han Solo is encased in carbonite, Leia gets captured. If you were to run across a 'spoiler' from ROTJ, say, "Luke turns himself to the Empire", that would look pretty bad.

Try to remember that this isn't Bioware's first tour around the galaxy. There's a larger story here, *plus*, there's a ton of story variables. No reason to get bent out of shape yet. What is one person's story may not have anything to do with another.

[Naamah_bb]

IsaacShep wrote...

It's hard to explain it without spoiling anything.

I see many people get really scared reading pesimistic posts of people who actually did read the spoilers. One thing you should remember is that you may not share the opinon of other people whether something's good/ok/bad/sucks had you actually read the spoilers yourself, or after the game gets released and you see the scenes/dialogues yourself. Everyone who says "I'm not liking what I've read" is stating his/her personal opinion. Chances are, you and other people would see it differently. Best thing someone who avoided the spoilers could do is just wait for the actual game. Frankly, we can't be 100.00% sure what stuff from the spoilers will make it in, what will not, and most importantly, how good OR bad executed certain scenes will be. Execution is the key.

So please peeps, let's not get too pessimistic

I agree. We have some time left before the game is out so let's not jump to conclusions. Let's be optimistic -  we have femShep trailer awaiting us (at least i hope so) and the demo. So, let's be positive

[Ellyria]

JeffZero wrote...

Glad to be safe, then!

I understand the compulsion to save everyone all the same, I definitely do. Different strokes for different folks and all that!

*accusing finger point* MURDERER!

Nah, just kidding. 

I save everyone because it's so easy to. *shrugs* Although I do like to keep all my characters, regardless of whether I use them or not. Then I can't be accused of "OMG YOU KILLED THIS CHARACTER BECAUSE YOU DO LIKE THEM!" Yeah, and? 

[rapscallioness]

oh, but btw, someone mentioned earlier about that tweet from mac about something significant happened with Kai in the years.

I remember that. He was comparing it to Sheps experience w/Liara. He was saying how she felt guilty over a secret in ME2, so she seemed distant, etc. And we didn't find out what was going on until LotSB.

Then he goes on to say, so just imagine what must be going on w/Kaidan.

And I was like, wait....what? wtf? what? Cuz what Liara did was pretty high up there on the..whatever scale they would use for something like that.

I mean, she hurled your rotting corpse at Cerberus ---friggin' Cerberus of all ppl!--in hopes they might bring you back from the dead! And whatever else they might wanna do. That's pretty out there. I mean, thnx, Babe. But..wow.

So, whatever Kaidan was, or is, going thru that we don't know about, to compare it to what Liara did is way out there.

[JaerWolfe]

Some of you seem to be under the impression that my objection to ME3's version of Kaidan is based on ME2. It isn't. It's based on spoilers of ME3. Spoilers that involve a plot point that is essential to the overall narrative of ME3. This plot point won't change. The VA work is done, Sbarge has cashed his paycheck. Moreover, this plot point cannot change because it involves the overall story and there isn't enough time left in development...or to be honest, interest in the characters involved...to change it.
This plot point is exactly why Casey Hudson said cheating will have consequences.
No. This isn't Bioware's first time around the galaxy and if you look at the icons under my avatar it will give you some hint that I've been with them for most of their trip. The decision not to buy ME3 was not made lightly.
I will not be satisfied with some cheap romance moments if the character I love is eviscerated in the process.

[jeweledleah]

I think it was more of us not having first hand experience of what Kaidan/Ashley went through. Shadow broker just expanded on change in Liara, allowed people to see the glimpses of the old character and generally attempted to make her abrupt change of personality less jarring. we learn the reason for her obsession with Shadow Broker without the DLC, just need to finish all her quests after which she finally talks to Shepard.

from what I understood - its not that Ashley/Kaidan had a secret, its more that we'll get to see exactly what they were up to, possibly what were those rumors that made them so suspicious on Horizon, etc. just give us explanations, rather then reveals.

we'll see if they can pull it off without generating more hate for VS.

[Kaidan Fan]

I'm going to choose to remain optimistic and hopeful.  I've seen none of the spoilers, all my pt's are paragon and faithful to Kaidan. If we struggle a bit at the beginning thats ok, so long as they let us have our happy ending since I was always so durn goody two shoes!! 

[shepskisaac]

TeenZombie wrote...



by Sean-D-Omega

A bit OT from the current subject but ohhh how much I love this painting! It's just so perfect! <3<3<3

[rapscallioness]

Oh, i love that painting, too. very well done

[catgirl789]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Chylise wrote...

Kaidan: Okay Shepard, I'm coming clean... I hit on the waitress at Flux once.
Shepard: Kaidan, it's ok-
Kaidan: And I checked out this one woman's *ss who was in front of me at the grocery store checkout.
Shepard: Kaidan, it's perfectly under-
Kaidan:
And I went to a strip club and saw a girl getting a lapdance from an
Asari and pretended it was YOU getting the lapdance!
Shepard: Wait... what?

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that's hilarious!

I completely agree. This was awesome.

And about the spoilers. I think I accidentally saw one in the signature of a troll but if it's true then the whole scene might be taken out of context, like the aforementioned "Luke turns himself into the Empire" 'spoiler' above. Heck it could be anything from blackmail to a dream that causes the scenario. (Though as I have tried to avoid spoilers as much as possible I have no way of telling how clear it is that Kaidan/Ashley have done it under their own will.)

Anyways this thread is too dark right now we need something to make it happier again (and remind us of how Bioware has earned our love in the past) so I'll leave this right here.


Also this link to the trailer for the Collector's Edition of ME3 which has Kaidan in it. Just scroll down. =)

Edit: Oh cool I got top! Nice timing. 

Modifié par catgirl789, 17 novembre 2011 - 07:20 .