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[leighzard]

Lyriel25 wrote...

--jacqui wrote...
*snip*

Guess this is odd, but since I want to be hearing the message (without calling myself ), could it be something we could turn into a ringtone? Something like "Hey, Lyriel - I know you're busy saving the galaxy, but this call might be important..." or some such. But really, whatever he wants to do is great .

That is a fantastic idea.  I never call myself and I'd hate to miss out on all of that goodness.

Mandalina wrote...

Getting ready to watch last weeks episode of Once Upon a Time... Mr. Sbarge is thread appropriate right?

Always appropriate!  It's a good episode, too!

senorfuzzylips wrote...

Anyway, this comic by the wonderful Aimo seems appropriate in light of the Horizon discussion. Slightly NSFW so I linked it.

Love it!  I'm also really hoping that's what the Kaidan/Shepard reunion will actually be like.  Of course, I know everything will be drawn out and angsty, but it would be nice not to have to wait until the night before the final battle/nearly immenent death to get back together.
Aimo is fantastic.  I love all of her DA stuff, too.

MICHELLE7 wrote...

As for Kaidan not only am I hoping they don't change his character...I'm hoping they don't do to him what they did to Garrus...but what can I say I think Kaidan is the best looking male LI out there...I don't want to see his pretty face
marred. Yeah, I know that's vain and shallow. what everyone else in here is thinking anyways.

Fixed!

Modifié par leborum, 05 décembre 2011 - 12:33 .

[MICHELLE7]

leborum wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

As for Kaidan not only am I hoping they don't change his character...I'm hoping they don't do to him what they did to Garrus...but what can I say I think Kaidan is the best looking male LI out there...I don't want to see his pretty face
marred. Yeah, I know that's vain and shallow. what everyone else in here is thinking anyways.

Fixed!

:lol:lol Okay that works too.

[Mandalina]

Just finished the episode... I wanted to cry, but my husband was right next to me so I held it back ;-;

[MICHELLE7]

I try to hold it back but the sniffles always give me away...my husband looks at me and laughs...calls me a cry baby.lol now to the next episode.

[Ellyria]

 Husbands, I'm telling ya! I haven't cried at a TV show in a long while, mostly because I know I'll be teased relentlessly. 

[sesheta255]

I got rid of mine, lol. But then TV shows don't generally bring me to tears. I still maintain that men should be like vacuum cleaners - kept in a cupboard and only only brought out when you need them for something.

[Ellyria]

sesheta255 wrote...

I got rid of mine, lol. But then TV shows don't generally bring me to tears. I still maintain that men should be like vacuum cleaners - kept in a cupboard and only only brought out when you need them for something.

*snickers*

Awww, I shouldn't be man-hating, I love my hubby, sometimes he just drives me up the wall. Right now he won't stop listening to hour long pod-casts about board games, and won't be courteous enough to use headphones. I told him to play more Skyrim, but his friends at work figured out that he's spent 33% of all his time playing Skyrim since it came out, so now he has a complex. 

[noxpanda]

I find it quite interesting how easy it is to miss just how dark an organisation cereberus is throught me1/2. The first time i played me1 i was just doing all the main quests in frantic fit of story addiction, when i hit me2 and jacobs going on about working for cereberus i was all 'uh who?'. It was only when i started reading through the me-wiki and on subsequent me1 playthroughs that i realised just how vile they truly are. Me2 touches on it a little bit, but as others have already said that all gets explained away as rogue scientists/cells.
I think the cereberus fans are in for a bit of a shock come me3! On a personal note; i am sooooo looking forward to finally getting to shoot the illusive man! At least one of my sheps has been eyeing up that chair and those ciggies for a while! She doesnt have a fluffy white cat to sit on her arm so mr.space hamster will have to do. I mean surely every heroine should be able to get 5 minutes to do the 'mr.bond' lines and an evil cackle? Then back to the business of saving the galaxy with big guns

[jeweledleah]

oh my, just finished watching - love that show. didn't occur to me untill just now that Archie wasn't even in it today, that's how engrossed I was.

my husband is merely indulgently amused at my emotional responce to certain fictional stories. I adore my husband.

as for evilness of cerberus - I'm a completionist, and in bioware games especially, I tend to click on every NPC I can fine. the only reason I missed the Terra firma guys for several playthroughs in a row was becasue I got too attached to rapid transit when on Citadel and would head straight for Flux and then straight back to the ship before Ilos. but I did talk to Kahoku, and found those Marines and then the rest of the bases, not to mention all the missions you get from terminals on Feros.

[mllrthyme]

Yeah, the "Cerberus = evil" is easy to miss in ME2 - especially for those players just coming into the series. However, I kind of like that ambiguity, the morally gray area that can make one either a hero or villain depending on the outcome. That's what I liked about Saren, although in the end he was totally duped, but still his motives - however muddled - were aimed toward the greater good. Cerberus, however morally dubious their goals are, is ultimately motivated by improving humanity's lot, benefitting the majority at the expense of the few. Yes, it's a douchebag move, and yes in Me3 we'll find out more regarding their ultimate motives (vague to prevent spoileryness), but in Me2 there's still that sense of "well, maybe it was because of this, or that, or what about this?"

Long story short, I like morally ambiguous characters, especially villains, because their motives and goals can actually make sense if you warp logic enough.

On the topic of husbands, mine thinks I'm addicted to video games. He is correct. ;P

[TheComfyCat]

foxtrotcharlie wrote...

senorfuzzylips wrote...

In ME lore (in the games and books), there is ample evidence that Cerberus is a terrorist orginization that will do whatever it takes to achieve their goals. In game, at least in ME2, I think the writers were trying to give us a first-hand view that had more shades of gray. We only got hints here and there of the true nature of Cerberus, but what seemed to be the best "first-hand example" of their questionable/ cruel methods is how manipulative TIM is. He's always pulling the strings behind Shepard's back, always directing Shepard while trying to orchestrate the outcome the way he wants it to go. 

You have a point with the fact that the Illusive Man is truly the puppetmaster in this game.  But, perhaps the biggest issue I had was the fact that Shepard always seemed to underestimate his true power, or their true intentions.  There was always suspicion, especially if you were paragon, but perhaps my biggest issue was Shepard's acting that the Illusive Man was under her/his control or that they were in control of the situation.  That, I think, in the Horizon scene, was Kaidan's biggest worry through Shepard's 'derpy' dialogue.  Shepard seems to act like, "Oh, Cerberus?--- Nothin important.  The Illusive Man?--- He's totally my ****.  I'm just using them for the time being until this whole situation is over with.
Shepard: 
Kaidan: 

Lol the smilies are perfect, and I agree that a lot of the dialogue makes it sound like Shep underestimates or discounts TIM. At least Tali calls him/her on it during one of their chats (paraphrased, but it's something like "oh, so I suppose it was you that installed those listening devices" when Shep claims it's the Normandy is all under his/her control and not Cerberus's).

Along similar lines, I was disappointed in LotSB that Shep is forced to spill everything to Vasir, like it's no big deal to immediately trust a stranger who claims to be your friend/ on your side. Hello person I just met! Why yes, let me tell you everything I know and assume you won't use it against me, even though your being here is totally suspicious and highly suspect! ...<_<

And, um, this post needs more Kaidan.

By VeletRue

[Jean]

I haven't read the novels, but in ME1, Cerberus seemed much more stupid than they did evil.

ME2 was a much more mixed bag.

[mineralica]

About Cerberus evilness: I think it's hard to miss since BioWare can't be subtle even if their lives would depend on it. Not just sit and observe on Akuze, but also catch surviving soldiers and inject the venom of thresher maws in them. Not just fix David (from Overlord) to bed so he can't run, but put him into horrifying device with feeding tubes and force his eyes open. Not just steal children and fill them with drugs to create super biotics and care about them as about pearls since human biotics are extremely rare, but make such children fight each other and "run out of them fast". Don't get me wrong, I hate Cerberus, but I also hate being forced to accept something without a chance on second opinion.

And about Shepard underestimating TIM - (LotSB spoilers) I think it will be justified. When in ME1 I refused to give data to Shadow Broker, it was a huge step - anytime in future games I would need in information, Shadow Broker would be its only source. It's huge and deeply covered organisation, so any time Shepard may expect their agent to appear and sabotage systems, without a chance to track back. And how it turned out in ME2? Shadow Broker is easily killable guy who can do virtually nothing to protect himself - his pet SpeCTRe didn't try to destroy the information about his location, Broker himself didn't try to change location when he found out about leak, even his guards weren't present in his room, Feron was still alive (I wonder how depressing it would be for Liara to see his disfigured corpse presented as a warning instead?). So what are our chances that next leader of big evil organisation will be any different?

[sesheta255]

The shadow broker reveal was probably one of the biggest let downs in Mass Effect for me. Not to mention that there were dossiers on everyone except for Shepard and Kaidan/Ash. To me there was just no reason for the yhag to be the shadow broker and collect and sell information that kept the powers that be in the galaxy on an even playing field. I have to admit I was expecting something much bigger in terms of a reveal or a twist of some kind. I guess Liara becoming the SB was a twist in itself but it still makes no damn sense to me, lol.

Modifié par sesheta255, 05 décembre 2011 - 10:47 .

[Chiantirose1982]

Found this while checking my Facebook, don't know if it is old or what, because I can't watch it since im in Germany



Raphael talking about Once upon a time, i guess

[Jean]

i was always on barla von's theory that it was a network of people.

[meonlyred]

About Cerberus, shoot how do you think I feel? My main Shepard is a solo survivor. I wish Kaidan had called her out on it on Horizon like Vasir did. Since he was there when she was reunited with Toombs. Even had special dialogue about 'Shepard was there, she knows what happened.'
Two years later...
Kaidan: *Faceplam*
Shepard: "Yeah, yeah I know. Miranda replayed my brain with someone named Abby Normal."

[Silver77nz]

There are so many things wrong with ME2 and Cerberus:

Kahoku basically sends a message in ME1 saying Cerberus is a black ops Alliance team that has gone rouge! Why isn't anyone investigating? Why didn't she give a description of the man..ughhhhh!! Like his age or what he looks like. I don't understand why she wasn't feeding intel to the Allience?
While Shepard lay uncounscious for 2 yrs TIM took his time and planned out every move. Probably looked into Kaidan but decided that no he can't risk the Allience getting involved. Which even frustrates me even more cause Shepard knows she is bait and is like oh well. Shepard never asks any questions about how Cerberus got her body? She has to force it out of Liara much later in the game. That would be one of my first questions.

After he trapped me in the damn ship that killed me I decided I was going to sabatoge TIM anyway I can. So nobody got that Cerberus agent intel except me. That cargo he wanted so desperately, well we all had a picinic till they were all destroyed then went and killed the mechs. He crossed the line with the ship and I would of said screw you and walked away.

Horizion was a huge set up and we all know it. We were forced into a position where we obviously sucked at communication. Can't give notes to Anderson for Kaidan? Can't write a e-mail to your mom? We were isolated on purpose to try to force us into a new direction and try to make us move on to new LI. What irritates me the most though is when people hate on the VS but never thinks to reverse the roles<_< What would your Shep do if Kaidan walked up to Shep and said the same things. So yea......

[sesheta255]

Cerberus might have gone rogue but I still think the Alliance knows some of the stuff they are up to. It's the perfect set up for the Alliance - they can do experiments and god knows what else and be absolved of all of the blame with the council because Cerberus 'went rogue'. Hackett and Anderson probably have moles inside Cerberus and I'm tipping that a few of the higher ups in the Alliance have their fingers in the Cerberus pie.  If EDI was correct and the original Normandy's construction was encouraged by Cerberus they obviously have some pull in high places within the Alliance.

Another thing that got to me was that no-one apart from Kaidan really showed any surprise about the fact that Shepard was back from the dead.  Anderson and Hackett were quick to contact Shepard and regardless of the rumours that TIM had flying around they had to have known more than they were letting on.  So my conspiracy theory is that someone on the Normandy 2 is an Alliance mole, lol.  There's so many to choose from - Joker, Chakwas, Ken, Gabby, Jacob.  They all seem too valuable for the Alliance to just let them go.

Modifié par sesheta255, 05 décembre 2011 - 01:09 .

[Sialater]

sesheta255 wrote...

Cerberus might have gone rogue but I still think the Alliance knows some of the stuff they are up to. It's the perfect set up for the Alliance - they can do experiments and god knows what else and be absolved of all of the blame with the council because Cerberus 'went rogue'. Hackett and Anderson probably have moles inside Cerberus and I'm tipping that a few of the higher ups in the Alliance have their fingers in the Cerberus pie.  If EDI was correct and the original Normandy's construction was encouraged by Cerberus they obviously have some pull in high places within the Alliance.

Another thing that got to me was that no-one apart from Kaidan really showed any surprise about the fact that Shepard was back from the dead.  Anderson and Hackett were quick to contact Shepard and regardless of the rumours that TIM had flying around they had to have known more than they were letting on.  So my conspiracy theory is that someone on the Normandy 2 is an Alliance mole, lol.  There's so many to choose from - Joker, Chakwas, Ken, Gabby, Jacob.  They all seem too valuable for the Alliance to just let them go.

I totally agree with you. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[Fault Girl]

Sialater wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

Cerberus might have gone rogue but I still think the Alliance knows some of the stuff they are up to. It's the perfect set up for the Alliance - they can do experiments and god knows what else and be absolved of all of the blame with the council because Cerberus 'went rogue'. Hackett and Anderson probably have moles inside Cerberus and I'm tipping that a few of the higher ups in the Alliance have their fingers in the Cerberus pie.  If EDI was correct and the original Normandy's construction was encouraged by Cerberus they obviously have some pull in high places within the Alliance.

Another thing that got to me was that no-one apart from Kaidan really showed any surprise about the fact that Shepard was back from the dead.  Anderson and Hackett were quick to contact Shepard and regardless of the rumours that TIM had flying around they had to have known more than they were letting on.  So my conspiracy theory is that someone on the Normandy 2 is an Alliance mole, lol.  There's so many to choose from - Joker, Chakwas, Ken, Gabby, Jacob.  They all seem too valuable for the Alliance to just let them go.

I totally agree with you. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

I dont think it would be Joker as he's to obvious or they decided to use him as a sort of double bluff.

I have an inkling that it maybe Jacob or Gabby/Ken

Or perhaps Kelly?

Back on the topic of Kaidan,

ummm he has ummm awesome hair. :happy:

[Jean]

His hair is too complex for me to ever grasp.

[Ellyria]

 So I've decided to go through ME1 and ME2 on my canon playthrough again before ME3 comes out.  I've made a few tweaks, but this is how I've got it planned out:

Name: Taryn Shepard
Pre-Service History: SpacerPsychological Profile: Sole Survivor
class: Infiltrator
Bonus Talent: Singularity (ME1), Reave (ME2)
Morality: 75% Paragon, 25% Renegade (roughly)
ME1 LI: Kaidan
ME2 LI: Loyal to Kaidan
ME1 Squad: Kaidan/Garrus
ME2 Squad: Thane/Mordin

I think the majority of my "major" decisions will be Paragon, with smaller Renegade decisions scattered throughout. Not looking forward to that pesky Mako (how the heck do you drive vertically up mountains anyway?!), but I love romancing Kaidan. 

[Sialater]

You don't drive vertically up mountains. Go up at an angle and zig zag.

[Ellyria]

Sialater wrote...

You don't drive vertically up mountains. Go up at an angle and zig zag.

Oh, I dunno, I managed it once or twice.  Thought I was gonna break my controller from pressing down on the A button so hard. 

Seriously though, the Mako, ugh. No wonder Fire has so many screenies of Kaidan facepalming while it's on fire.

Edit: TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!


K-Laine

Modifié par Chylise, 05 décembre 2011 - 05:39 .