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[Fiery Phoenix]

Chris L'Etoile

[leighzard]

Sialater wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

@Sia & Michelle...my impression was that the control was to contain and make the biotics do what they wanted them to do. Otherwise the biotics would just exhibit themselves wildly. Hence needing control to move a glass of water, but there was danger in kids breaking their own arms. The power was there, containing it was what Vyrnnus was trying to teach the kids at BaAT. Kaidan would have needed enough control...or say rather focus...to aim his power at Vyrnnus without taking out the rest of the room and himself. Does that make sense?
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you're saying, just looking at it from a different perspective.

He had some control, just not enough, I guess.  Some to direct it, but not to keep it from killing the turian.  Because I doubt very seriously he actually meant to kill Vyrrnus. 

I always thought Kaidan's lashing out at Vyrrnus was a little bit like what happed with Gillian Grayson (in Ascension). But she was younger and had less control - creating a tornado, basically - and he was able to focus his power in one direction - at Vyrrnus.

[JaerWolfe]

I miss Chris L'Etoile. I really miss Lukas Kristjanson. I used to miss Drew Karpyshyn until Revan came out. I would like the chance to miss Mac Walters.

[Bekkael]

JaerWolfe wrote...

I miss Chris L'Etoile. I really miss Lukas Kristjanson. I used to miss Drew Karpyshyn until Revan came out. I would like the chance to miss Mac Walters.

You make me laugh.

[Fiery Phoenix]

JaerWolfe wrote...

I miss Chris L'Etoile. I really miss Lukas Kristjanson. I used to miss Drew Karpyshyn until Revan came out. I would like the chance to miss Mac Walters.

[MICHELLE7]

Sialater wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question for you Kaidan experts:

Have you ever pondered the problem that Kaidan cannot be an L2 biotic? Because, well, implants must be implanted before puberty in order to be offensively viable, and Kaidan was 16 when the L2s were first developed...

Yeah, one of the many timeline inconsistencies...

I have.  I counter with the fact that we don't know when he was taken to BaAt, just when he left.

That works for me.

This is what I got off wiki.

Once a person has been identified as having biotic ability, they must be outfitted with a surgically implanted amplifier, usually installed around the time of puberty, in order to make their talents strong enough to be useful. They must then develop conscious control over their nervous system, which is a long, slow, difficult ordeal (except for the asari, who possess a degree of control naturally).

Sounds like he would have had to be there a while to get to the place where he could take down Vryynus unless he's got a secret Asari mother we don't know about.

He doesn't have to have had full control by the time he kills Vyrnnus.  Just enough to muster his power and have id amplified by adrenaline.  He probably spent those "missing years" trying to control himself, though.

I always got the impression that Kaidan's biotic kick at Vyrnnus was completely instinctive. With human biotics being new they still don't know a lot about them.

Right.  Which is why I don't think he had full control when he hit Vyrnnus.  The control came later.

ETA:  So, we're agreeing?

Yeah I agree with that.I kinda wonder if he would have felt so bad about it if Rahna hadn't made him feel like a monster afterwards by rejecting him. I mean Vyrrnus did pull the talon on him and intended to kill him...it was self defense as far as I can see.

@syllogi been a long time since I saw that. Thanks for posting.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 13 décembre 2011 - 08:19 .

[AdmiralCheez]

syllogi wrote...

Here is the Word of God (aka Chris L'Etoile) on both Shepard's and Kaidan's biotics, and the timeline of events:

"Optimal" doesn't necessarily mean that everyone gets their implants at puberty.

Also keep in mind that the printed Galactic Codex was written by Microsoft based on our internal docs. While we did have a chance to edit it, we had only a couple of days while we were all working crunch to get the game finished. In the event of a discrepency between the print codex and the in-game dialogue and codex, defer to what's said in-game. *cracks open the dev team's timeline doc*

2151 - A shipping accident at Singapore International Spaceport exposes downwind communities to containers of dust-form element zero. [Kaidan exposed in utero to element zero] Alliance begins construction of Arcturus Station.

2152 - Roughly 30% of the children born in Singapore after element zero exposure suffer from cancerous growths. 70% seem normal.

2154 - Shepard is born; apparently was exposed in utero to element zero.2156 - Some children of Singapore exhibit minor telekinetic abilities.

2158 - Humans learn potential of biotics. Original exposures now actively tracked. Roughly 10% of the initial exposed children show some level of biotic ability. Kaidan and Shepard not detected.

2160 - Conatix Ind. contracted to develop biotics program. BAaT training established on Jump Zero.

2163 - Earliest human-compatible biotic implants attempted. L1 implants yield minimal results due to late implantation. Accidental exposures too infrequent to contribute to research in a meaningful way. Second generation exposures "arranged" in a number of drive system failures over populated areas.

2166 - Turian "expert" brought in to Jump Zero to oversee biotic program.

2167 - L2 implants created. Kaidan among first to get the new implants. His potential increases dramatically but with discomfort. Others yield "unfortunate" results.

2168 - Shepard, 14 years old, received secondary exposure to element zero. Permanent biotic inclination manifests.

2169 - Kaidan, 17 years old, accidentally kills trainer after being provoked. Diplomatic incident forces closure of BAaT training. Kaidan refuses further training.

2170 - Biotic training assumed by military and select private R&D companies, renamed divisions of original Conatix Industries. L3 implants created.

2171 - Shepard officially detected as a biotic and fitted with L3 implants at 17.

2173 - Kaidan returns to military on his own terms. One of the few original biotics from the BAaT program that remains "stable." Refuses retrofit.

Stormwaltz 16:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

From here: http://masseffect.wi...ki/Talk:Biotics

I knew I had good reasons to lurk in this thread.

Also, casting my vote for Kaidan's animal insignia: Wolf's head.

[vulpesetuva]

JaerWolfe wrote...

I miss Chris L'Etoile. I really miss Lukas Kristjanson. I used to miss Drew Karpyshyn until Revan came out. I would like the chance to miss Mac Walters.

Add Christina Norman to that list. Even though she wasn't a writer, she was one of the devs who actually, you know, liked Kaidan.

[mineralica]

IsaacShep wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...
Ah, I didn't read the leaked script, thanks for correcting me! And the father/uncle/brother/grandpa thing was my lame attempt at underhanded humor.

Don't worry I'm just very happy with Kaidan's new title. Sorry but Ashley's Lieutenant-Commander sounds just awful lol. Major is short and goes perfect with Alenko

Except that "confirmed features" thread bugged me like hell when it has "MAJOR" in title (MAJOR changes, as I recall). And then it was switched on "enemies everywhere!"... no better.


And I remembered hearing that it's usual, but not necessary, to get implant at puberty, but didn't realize it was said by Chris L'Etoile himself.

[Ellyria]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
It could also be explained that due to longer lifespan humans reach puberty a bit later

Hmm...I think the best explanation is still that the "before puberty" rule has exceptions. Could also apply to Miranda though she still faces the problem that she can't have been exposed in utero.

Edit:
Hitting puberty after 16 is stretching it.

But Justin Bieber is 17.

ROFLMAO! 

Oh Justin Bieber, I am so tired of that... person. The local radio station plays ALL his songs, not just his hits, because he's Canadian. People have this weird mentality that just because a famous person is born in the same country, you should automatically like them. No dice here, I don't care for him, or Celine Dion, or Pamela Anderson... and ESPECIALLY not the Tragically Hip. *shudders*

[MICHELLE7]

JaerWolfe wrote...

I miss Chris L'Etoile. I really miss Lukas Kristjanson. I used to miss Drew Karpyshyn until Revan came out. I would like the chance to miss Mac Walters.

:lol:

[Bekkael]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
I knew I had good reasons to lurk in this thread.

Also, casting my vote for Kaidan's animal insignia: Wolf's head.

I think the wolf head may be gaining the consensus. What I see keeps changing. Psychedelic insignia?

[JillHawke]

Does anyone know if Kaidan is older then Shepard? I know it's a random thought/question but I'm curious:P

[shepskisaac]

Just to confirm, Kaidan was written by Lukas Kristjanson and then Drew Karpyshyn in ME1 right?

[vulpesetuva]

JillHawke wrote...

Does anyone know if Kaidan is older then Shepard? I know it's a random thought/question but I'm curious:P

Yeah, he tells you he's 32 in ME1 (b. 2151). Shep's 29 (b. 2154).

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Wait wat did Lukas Kristjanson also leave when did this happen

Where's my panic button

He didn't leave Bioware, he left the ME writing team, works on DA now.

Modifié par vulpesetuva, 13 décembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[leighzard]

JillHawke wrote...

Does anyone know if Kaidan is older then Shepard? I know it's a random thought/question but I'm curious:P

Kaidan should be about 3 years older than Shepard.  At least according to Chis L'Etoile's timeline.
So Shep is 29 in ME, and Kaidan is 32  which makes them about 31 and 35 when ME3 hits, right?  I think that maybe it's time for Kaidan to start think about settling down with someone.  *cough, cough*

Edit: Ninja'd by vulpesetuva

Modifié par leborum, 13 décembre 2011 - 08:28 .

[JaerWolfe]

@liesandpropaganda...Lukas is attached to the Dragon Age franchise now. He wrote Aveline and was the only redeeming writing in that game for me.

@jillhawke...Kaidan is roughly 2 to 3 years older.

@Isaac...correct. There were several throw away lines from Drew and Mac Walters added at different points in ME...Noveria being one notable one for Mac, but Kaidan's primary writer was Lukas.

edit...ninja'd by pretty much everybody. I'm slow today.

Modifié par JaerWolfe, 13 décembre 2011 - 08:31 .

[mineralica]

SilverMoonDragon wrote...

JillHawke wrote...

Does anyone know if Kaidan is older then Shepard? I know it's a random thought/question but I'm curious:P

If I remember correctly, he is older than Shepard. He's 32 in ME1 and I'm pretty sure Shepard is 29 or something, either way, I do believe he's older...forgive me if I'm wrong.

You are right.

"A good kid" is 3 years older than Shepard:devil:

[JillHawke]

Ok! thanks for answering my question guys:) I love older men:wub:

*cough* sorry lol fangirl coming out again xD

[syllogi]

IsaacShep wrote...

Just to confirm, Kaidan was written by Lukas Kristjanson and then Drew Karpyshyn in ME1 right?

Yup, and just in case anyone is still interested, Pacifien's awesome blog entry elaborates on who did what in the first two games:  http://social.biowar...217/blog/12839/

[shepskisaac]

@JaerWolfe Thx

MICHELLE7 wrote...

 I mean Vyrrnus did pull the talon on him and intended to kill him...it was self defense as far as I can see.

I don't think that's why Rahna rejected him. My interpretation has always been that personal, emotional attatchement to another person is the main source of Kaidan's flip outs and that if the entire situation with Vyrnnus didn't involve Rahna, he wouldn't hit him so hard and in result kill him. I think Rahna realized that and was scared of enetering a relationship with him. But that's only my interpretation :P:P

TOP (probably used it already in the past but it's one of my favourite pics of Kai ;P)

Modifié par IsaacShep, 13 décembre 2011 - 08:36 .