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Major Kaidan Alenko in ME3: We're going to need a bigger boot.


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yoshibb wrote...

LONG post incoming:wizard:

First, when I need to record or take pictures on the the 360 I use the dazzle recorder. It records things directly off the tv. I usually use my cell phone too, though, when I'm too lazy to set it up, but the dazzle does work really well. 

Second, here's the thing about that whole scene. I have watched movies, played games, and seen tv shows and it's always the same thing. Boy rescues girl. Boy carries girl. Girl sometimes screams and yells like it is all she is capable of doing while people are shooting at her! Even the strongest of women are relegated to this role at some point, especially if there's a strong man in the area. 

If a woman does save a man, 99% of the time, that man is portrayed to be a wimp. He's skinny, he's frail, he whines while the female is saving him. Because all these writers and directors see him as being weak because he was saved by a woman. So it's either that or she's saving a kid because that's motherly, and all women are motherly *rolls eyes*

Now I'm not saying I completely mind that sometimes. For instance, I think of my Hawke as a little more feminine and I'm sure she'd love to be carried off by Fenris. But Shepard was always different for me. From the moment I created her, she's always been strong. But what makes it awesome for me is that Kaidan is also strong. He's killed a turian with one kick in the head. He's very capable of handling himself in a fight. I'd never consider Kaidan weak by any standard. 

So when Shepard saves him, it just felt amazing. Shepard did something that I have waited for in entertainment for forever. She saved a strong man who also happened to be a romantic interest. And it partially may have been because of lazy designing, but I don't care. That time on Eden Prime and the time on Virmire made the game for me. The animation could've been better but really is Ashley's anymore realistic? They both look like Shepard's carrying a moving surfboard. 

Anyway, while I wouldn't be against Kaidan carrying Shepard, I'd hate that they take away the other scene because it's not feminine enough. I've seen enough of that to last a lifetime and I don't want Shepard to fall victim to that too. 


Are you a telepath or something like that ? I could have wroten this text word for word. :D

I have to admit : it's something that's been bothering me in many fan fictions. In those, Femshep often turns out to be a damzel in distress at some point of the story, and a very appealling woman (Kaidan has to be subjugated by her looks), and Kaidan the typical virile macho.
In the game they aren't. And that's what make them so unique : Kaidan is virile and appealling without being a dominant male (nor a dominated one). And femshpe's charisma is not due to her looks, for once, but to her cleverness, her authority, her courage and her eloquence.

Modifié par Altie, 23 janvier 2012 - 07:48 .


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(oops,  I quoted myself by mistake, sorry)

Modifié par Altie, 23 janvier 2012 - 07:47 .


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ZombieGeisha wrote...

I promised myself with this re-run that I would collect everything, but now I;m playing I'm just like mehhhh.

I do it everytime, I have no patience. Or maybe it's the Mako. Yeah I'll blame the Mako...:P

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I agree, I wouldnt want FemShep made weaker, she can carry him all through the game. I just want Kaidan to have a "hero" moment. I'm too much of a romantic.

They just need to make sure the animation makes it look realistic.

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mineralica wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I promised myself with this re-run that I would collect everything, but now I;m playing I'm just like mehhhh.

I do it everytime, I have no patience. Or maybe it's the Mako. Yeah I'll blame the Mako...:P

Missing a mineral? Blasphemy!



It's the Mako's fault I tells ya'

It would be easier if in ME1 it actually noted what systems you've already visited. I keep going to same ones over and over again.

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

I agree, I wouldnt want FemShep made weaker, she can carry him all through the game. I just want Kaidan to have a "hero" moment. I'm too much of a romantic.

They just need to make sure the animation makes it look realistic.


That's fine. Kaidan never had that cool entrance like the other characters. I'd like him to have a badass moment. 

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@Trinity-I've done the Final Fantasy XIII-2 demo and loved it. Was like coming home.

About Kaidan being hurt. I could see shep running over to him and cradling him. Maybe then start to pick him up and someone runs up to help put him inside. I can't see you just picking up a really injuired person. At least your not suppose to just grab them and fling them over but hey this is a game. So I doubt they take into consideration rl no no's.

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

I agree, I wouldnt want FemShep made weaker, she can carry him all through the game. I just want Kaidan to have a "hero" moment. I'm too much of a romantic.

They just need to make sure the animation makes it look realistic.





Yes I would like that too ! After all, she already saved his life 2 times :)

By the way, this afternoon I played a bit of ME2 (for the first time !) and I saw the "Horizon" incident for the first time. O my god !!! A punch in the stomach would hurt less !
But... I really loved the scene ! So intense ! I love the fact that Kaidan still loves Shepard but would not follow her blindly. He is independant and has his own opinions. Makes me love even more ! (and the voiced letter is sooo amazing, Raphael Sbarge has an amazing voice and put so much feelings in it !)

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yoshibb wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I agree, I wouldnt want FemShep made weaker, she can carry him all through the game. I just want Kaidan to have a "hero" moment. I'm too much of a romantic.

They just need to make sure the animation makes it look realistic.


That's fine. Kaidan never had that cool entrance like the other characters. I'd like him to have a badass moment. 


Sadly I usually have a thing for bad guys, Kaidan and Alistair are exceptions to the rule :devil:

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For lack of a better example, this is what I see as tenderly carrying someone:

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yoshibb wrote...

For lack of a better example, this is what I see as tenderly carrying someone:

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that really is a gorgeous picture.

But yeah, I just really don't see FemShep doing that with Kaidan without it looking goofy. I Love! that they're trying to show the difference between romanced and non romanced character interaction...

we'll just see how BW actually implemted it. And it is true that if someone is so seriously injured they're on the brink of death (which is a different kinda injured than the Virmire chuck over the shoulder injury), you're not supposed to be chucking them over your shoulder.

So, we'll see.

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ok so i want to hear kaidan say a few of me fav film and game lines like 'command me to go fenris da;2 and anders line about laying awake acheing for me'
want to know what would you all like kaidan to say?

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"Maker's breath, but you're beautiful. I am a lucky man." --Alistair
:wub: Alistair how I miss thee:crying:

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I wonder wether FemShep will actually carry Kaidan like in that picture (which is awesome btw). It looked goofy in ME1 and will look goofy in ME3.

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Silverpearl1977 wrote...

"Maker's breath, but you're beautiful. I am a lucky man." --Alistair
:wub: Alistair how I miss thee:crying:



thats a good one Image IPB
oh 'have you ever liked a lamp post in winter?'Image IPB

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I agree, I wouldnt want FemShep made weaker, she can carry him all through the game. I just want Kaidan to have a "hero" moment. I'm too much of a romantic.

They just need to make sure the animation makes it look realistic.


That's fine. Kaidan never had that cool entrance like the other characters. I'd like him to have a badass moment. 


Sadly I usually have a thing for bad guys, Kaidan and Alistair are exceptions to the rule :devil:


Kaidan is the only exception for me.

I think that's more of "I love troubles" than exception from "I love bad guys". Not a fan of absolutely smooth  relationships, star crossed lovers, exactly matching personalities of PC and LI and so on. It's like adding spice to romance :) Kaidan with his level - headness is pretty big contrast to both my main Shepards' "and now we're doing it in crazy way", and the fact that he has minds on his own and passionately protects his opinions? Yess.

What I would like to hear from him in ME3? In particular - three stupid words which were presented in past tense on Horizon (the heaviest punch for me and my paragon Shep - first time hearing admission of love in past tense). In general I would like Kaidan to have own opinion again (or continue to having opinion). But this time, please, I would love to have romance in my "romance between people with independent opinions", not just independent opinions :-P

Oh well. Does anything written by me above make any sense?

Modifié par mineralica, 23 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .


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yoshibb wrote...LONG post incomingImage IPB

First, when I need to record or take pictures on the the 360 I use the dazzle recorder. It records things directly off the tv. I usually use my cell phone too, though, when I'm too lazy to set it up, but the dazzle does work really well. 

Second, here's the thing about that whole scene. I have watched movies, played games, and seen tv shows and it's always the same thing. Boy rescues girl. Boy carries girl. Girl sometimes screams and yells like it is all she is capable of doing while people are shooting at her! Even the strongest of women are relegated to this role at some point, especially if there's a strong man in the area. 

If a woman does save a man, 99% of the time, that man is portrayed to be a wimp. He's skinny, he's frail, he whines while the female is saving him. Because all these writers and directors see him as being weak because he was saved by a woman. So it's either that or she's saving a kid because that's motherly, and all women are motherly *rolls eyes*

Now I'm not saying I completely mind that sometimes. For instance, I think of my Hawke as a little more feminine and I'm sure she'd love to be carried off by Fenris. But Shepard was always different for me. From the moment I created her, she's always been strong. But what makes it awesome for me is that Kaidan is also strong. He's killed a turian with one kick in the head. He's very capable of handling himself in a fight. I'd never consider Kaidan weak by any standard. 

So when Shepard saves him, it just felt amazing. Shepard did something that I have waited for in entertainment for forever. She saved a strong man who also happened to be a romantic interest. And it partially may have been because of lazy designing, but I don't care. That time on Eden Prime and the time on Virmire made the game for me. The animation could've been better but really is Ashley's anymore realistic? They both look like Shepard's carrying a moving surfboard. 

Anyway, while I wouldn't be against Kaidan carrying Shepard, I'd hate that they take away the other scene because it's not feminine enough. I've seen enough of that to last a lifetime and I don't want Shepard to fall victim to that too. 


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when i first saw that scene i felt a bit  Image IPB

but I have grown to love it. Kaidan was never unmanned by it. Also Kaidan totally did it to Shep coming off Eden Prime. Image IPB

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thetjeffect wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

"Maker's breath, but you're beautiful. I am a lucky man." --Alistair
:wub: Alistair how I miss thee:crying:



thats a good one Image IPB
oh 'have you ever liked a lamp post in winter?'Image IPB


Steve Valentine did a fantastic job.  Image IPB But I also loved: "...no. No boots for Zevran".  Image IPB

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In my head, Shepard would definitely be panicking over injured Kaidan. I mean, she would have kept up a strong front, trying to act like nothing was wrong and completely lose her composure.

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It would definitely make me happy to see different scenes based on romance. Especially after she showed no reaction to Kaidan possibly being taken by the Collectors on Horizon.

'Hmm, the ship seems to be blasting off. Well, that's too bad."

That stupid engineer was more upset than Shepard was.

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Kia Purity wrote...

In my head, Shepard would definitely be panicking over injured Kaidan. I mean, she would have kept up a strong front, trying to act like nothing was wrong and completely lose her composure during that scene on Mars. x_x



scene on mars what scene on mars?Image IPB
OH NO I think i've just been spoiled!!!!!!!!!!!!!Image IPB
*run's crying from forum*Image IPB

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thetjeffect wrote...

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

"Maker's breath, but you're beautiful. I am a lucky man." --Alistair
:wub: Alistair how I miss thee:crying:



thats a good one Image IPB
oh 'have you ever liked a lamp post in winter?'Image IPB


Love that one:O First time I heard it I was drinking something. Nearly choked.

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Gotta say it again.  Thank god for fan art :)  Making all my Kaidan fantasies come to life <3

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yoshibb wrote...
LONG post incoming:wizard:

First, when I need to record or take pictures on the the 360 I use the dazzle recorder. It records things directly off the tv. I usually use my cell phone too, though, when I'm too lazy to set it up, but the dazzle does work really well. 

Second, here's the thing about that whole scene. I have watched movies, played games, and seen tv shows and it's always the same thing. Boy rescues girl. Boy carries girl. Girl sometimes screams and yells like it is all she is capable of doing while people are shooting at her! Even the strongest of women are relegated to this role at some point, especially if there's a strong man in the area. 

If a woman does save a man, 99% of the time, that man is portrayed to be a wimp. He's skinny, he's frail, he whines while the female is saving him. Because all these writers and directors see him as being weak because he was saved by a woman. So it's either that or she's saving a kid because that's motherly, and all women are motherly *rolls eyes*

Now I'm not saying I completely mind that sometimes. For instance, I think of my Hawke as a little more feminine and I'm sure she'd love to be carried off by Fenris. But Shepard was always different for me. From the moment I created her, she's always been strong. But what makes it awesome for me is that Kaidan is also strong. He's killed a turian with one kick in the head. He's very capable of handling himself in a fight. I'd never consider Kaidan weak by any standard. 

So when Shepard saves him, it just felt amazing. Shepard did something that I have waited for in entertainment for forever. She saved a strong man who also happened to be a romantic interest. And it partially may have been because of lazy designing, but I don't care. That time on Eden Prime and the time on Virmire made the game for me. The animation could've been better but really is Ashley's anymore realistic? They both look like Shepard's carrying a moving surfboard. 

Anyway, while I wouldn't be against Kaidan carrying Shepard, I'd hate that they take away the other scene because it's not feminine enough. I've seen enough of that to last a lifetime and I don't want Shepard to fall victim to that too. 


Thanks for the info about the dazzle recorder! I'll look into it. Image IPB

As for the carrying scene, don't get me wrong...I think it's awesome that Shepard does that. I agree that it's about time the woman is not only strong mentally and emotionally but physically as well. And she's not the lesser for it; she embraces it and others admire and respect her for it. I just think that there should be at least one moment where the roles could be reversed, and Kaidan is the one saving Shepard. Oh, and the animation can definitely be a lot better. Image IPB

EDIT: Top, woo!

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Modifié par Soccerchic6, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:13 .