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[Criz]

if Vega is indeed the bi option I would probably pursue that romance with one of my test Shepards ... I mean I plan to replay that game several times, I can probably spare one playthrough
but honestly he'd have to have a really interesting character to make me enjoy that playthrough (because right now I really don't like the looks, I hate to sound *that* shallow, but I need a combination of the right personality going with the right looks)
on a side note, Jack actually did that, I don't really like her looks, but I quite enjoyed the Jack romance with my paragon Adept


back to Kaidan

IsaacShep wrote...
Some people argued that it could've been assumed they've learnt Shepard's orientation off-screen, that they've spent so much time together they would just know, that it wasn't shown just as they don't show characters using restroom. Well no. Certinaly not in Kaidan's case. He assumed incorrectly something about Shep based on his own assumption.

oh, the mental images I have to fight now concerning the 'they learned about Shepard's orientation because they spent time together off-screen' thing


EDIT:
what?! I got the ToP?!
you did that on purpose so I would turn at least one of those mental images into an actual image, admit it ... <_<
j/k (off to drawing something for ToP, due to the recent topic it will be gay though )


EDIT 2:
here we go
sorry for the delay, te original idea would have required to expand this to a comic format, so I changed my mind at some point due to lack of time and then ... decided to draw Kaidan's armor ... so much for drawing something fast

here's a little quiz:
what is Shepard thinking?
a. DAT ASS
b. DAT HAIRBUMP
c. I just hope Kaidan doesn't cast a heart-shaped barrier again*
d. all of the above

*yes, I know that barriers are more like an extra layer and not a sphere like the one to repell the Collector bugs
let's keep it for the sake of silly quizzes

Modifié par Criz-Zone, 17 juillet 2011 - 09:06 .

[Kia Purity]

You make the cutest artwork I've ever seen, Criz.

[Pax of Doom]

TeenZombie wrote...

Good morning, Kaidan thread.
<snippage>

by Lordess-Alicia

ROFLMAOPIMP!!!  :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That is great. 

[mineralica]

Criz-Zone wrote...
<...>
j/k (off to drawing something for ToP, due to the recent topic it will be gay though )

be careful posting it. Sheer awesomeness of previous ToP knocked my Internet connection off for 12 hours:bandit:

[faerie dragon]

Joisan wrote...

Thanks   I'll listen to that and see if I can figure out where the difference is.  Maybe this next playthrough I'll be able to get that line!  And the one about "I'm right here, Shepard.  I'm not going anywhere."  *Thunk* 

Okay, you all know how to make a girl come out of lurkdom!  Where/when is that line?  I think I'd remember coming across that, but I don't remember it!

Regarding Kaidan's heritage, I've always thought his features might be a bit southeast Asian, so I pictured his mom from Singapore and his dad from Canada.  He really could be from anywhere and everywhere though.  I hope we do get to see his family in ME3.  We should at least hear more about them, right?  It would be weird if he didn't mention them, considering.  I wonder if it's too much to hope that we'll get to rescue some of his family.  They could have a Blast From The Past style bunker, right?

blackashes411 wrote...

^It's the eyes and everything
upward + the lips that makes him resemble to Kaidan. I see where you're
coming from. The jaw kinda works too, but the chin and nose are what's
off.

I agree with this. The eyes and mouth are especially close.  I think the scar is similar too, isn't it? The nose is somewhat similar as well, actually, with the nostrils going up and the tip going down...though Kaidan's is a bit wider and flatter... Okay, I've spent way too much time studying his face.  For rendering purposes, of course...

So, yeah, um...Hi!

[Hotaru29]

Hmm more than a quick hello to the Alenko's I'd be intrigued to learn more about those four years or what kaidan spent "dropping of the radar". Was it ever mentioned somewhere what he was exactly doing that time? I can't picture him just going back to his family, though he probably had contact with them (after all, he once said "Made my father proud when I enlisted... eventually." maybe I'm reading too much into this but it sounds like the relations to his family are a bit strained) I wonder what he was up to that time

Modifié par Hotaru29, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:56 .

[Pax of Doom]

faerie dragon wrote...

Okay, you all know how to make a girl come out of lurkdom!  Where/when is that line?  I think I'd remember coming across that, but I don't remember it!

Hi there!  Welcome!  

[meonlyred]

Criz-Zone wrote...

I hate opening *that* can of worms again, but the thought occured to me the other day and I can't get rid of it
when you play as femShep and talk to Kaidan, but romance Liara isn't there a point where he brings up that he didn't know you were into other women? He could have been surprised that Shepard is interested in another species, but no, it's about her gender (let's leave the discussion whether or not asari are female or genderless or whatever for another time or another thread)

while people in the ME future are supposedly more open to relationships between people of the same gender, it's obviously not automatically assumed that everyone is bi and it apparently wasn't something that Shepard had talked with Alenko about in the brief time they served together. So why is Kaidan not addressing being bi and thus assumed straight instead of including the possibility that he could be bi and just hadn't openly mentioned it such a big issue?!

clinging to straws much? perhaps ...
but between straight Kaidan and Vega my Shepard will probebly die a virgin 
maybe he'd be tempted to have a quick one if BioWare added a brothel on Omega a la Dragon Age with the option of a gay drell ... no, no let's not be tempted; bi Kaidan please

A lot of haters point to that saying 'see Kaidan is a homophob!!' Which I think is pretty far from the truth. Kaidan only assumed Shepard was straight because she was flirting and hitting on him. Meanwhile she was also hitting on Liara, who is a woman. To even get that scene you have to lead them both on. So Kaidan gets pissed off. Which he has very right to. He is basically saying 'WTF Shepard? Make a choose and stop playing us both." Being bi is not an excuse to tell two different you like them in a romantic way. Just like it is wrong to lead on two people who are the same/opposite sex, if you are gay/straight. (On a side note the people that complain that Kaidan refuses to have a threesome with Shepard and Liara makes me want to punch someone in the head. He is looking for love not to get laid.)

I'm sure there is still people in ME who are gay/straight only, as well as people who are bi. Which has nothing to do with them being opened minded or not. Its not that hard to believe that when a member of the opposite sex hits on you, they are straight. Adversely if a member of the same sex hits on you then you would assume they are gay. They are only proving that they are attracted to your sex, you would need farther proof to know if they were also bi. (Boy, I hope that analogy makes sense.)

Basically what I'm saying is: Kaidan only assumed Shepard's sexual orientation by what he was seeing. It would be very unprofessional if Shepard brings up her orientation to Kaidan. (Hell having sex with Kaidan is very unprofessional, oops)

[Pax of Doom]

Hotaru29 wrote...

Hmm more than a quick hello to the Alenko's I'd be intrigued to learn more about those four years or what kaidan spent "dropping of the radar". Was it ever mentioned somewhere what he was exactly doing that time? I can't picture him just going back to his family, though he probably had contact with them (after all, he once said "Made my father proud when I enlisted... eventually." maybe I'm reading too much into this but it sounds like the relations to his family are a bit strained) I wonder what he was up to that time

Interesting about the enlistment comment.  Makes sense though. Wonder how Kaidan's being a biotic influenced that.  It's hinted that human biotics weren't understood, and were looked at by the general populace with distrust.  Further, in the book "Ascension", they talk about Hendel, who was also in the BAaT program, and how BAaT tried to drive wedges between the biotic children and their families. 

I interpreted it as though the father wanted his son to do better than he had, to become more successful.  The senior Alenko likely saw the difficulty of having family while being deployed, and knew a soldier's life was rough.  Perhaps he wanted Kaidan to go to college, start a business, that sort of stuff.  Lead a civilian life as normally as possible, without the hardships.

[shepskisaac]

meonlyred wrote...
Kaidan only assumed Shepard was straight because she was flirting and hitting on him.

Not true IMO. He flirts with her even without FemShep doing anything (the view through the windows dialogue on the Citadel for example) which means he assumed she was straight from the get go, not because she started hitting on him. Same for ManShep. ManShep may not romance/flirt with any of the girls and never give Kaidan any impression he likes women, but Kaidan assumes Shep's straight which is proven with the "I think you would like her (Rhana)" dialogue.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juillet 2011 - 08:18 .

[helenovision]

So, something that keeps revisiting my thoughts (for whatever reason, I do not know), is what if, just because BioWare likes to be mean and stuff, it's written so that whoever was sacrificed on Virmire's family survives, but the VS's family does not, and it's all horrible and stuff? Kaidan's parents...nooooo...

[Criz]

yeah it does make sense, but indeed he does flirt a bit with femShep during the view scene ... I like that scene

also the 'you're a romantic' & 'signed on for the dream?' scene ... 
gotta keep that in mind for a drawing
today's drawing is coming along, just need to color it

[Hotaru29]

Criz-Zone wrote...

yeah it does make sense, but indeed he does flirt a bit with femShep during the view scene ... I like that scene

also the 'you're a romantic' & 'signed on for the dream?' scene ... 
gotta keep that in mind for a drawing
today's drawing is coming along, just need to color it

*jumps nervously in her bed in anticipation* 

[Criz]

helenovision wrote...

So, something that keeps revisiting my thoughts (for whatever reason, I do not know), is what if, just because BioWare likes to be mean and stuff, it's written so that whoever was sacrificed on Virmire's family survives, but the VS's family does not, and it's all horrible and stuff? Kaidan's parents...nooooo...

Kaidan's family dying was the first thought I had when family was brought up again a few posts ago ...
also didn't Kaidan's family live in that area?!
I'm also very afraid for Shepard's parents (Hanna in particular, we never really got to know anything about dad) if you're playing as a Spacer. Spacers are supposed to be leaning towards paragon (at least it gets you a paragon bonus), but if you decide to save the Council more Alliance ships are destroyed ...
I was soooo relieved when there's the email and the news flash about her declining a promotion to remain captain to honor her son

[meonlyred]

IsaacShep wrote...
Not true IMO. He flirts with her even without FemShep doing anything (the view through the windows dialogue on the Citadel for example) which means he assumed she was straight from the get go, not because she started hitting on him. Same for ManShep. ManShep may not romance/flirt with any of the girls and never give Kaidan any impression he likes women, but Kaidan assumes Shep's straight which is proven with the "I think you would like her (Rhana)" dialogue.

Him flirting with Shepard only means he likes her, not that he assumes she is straight or not. He is hoping she is straight.

[Pax of Doom]

Criz-Zone wrote...

Kaidan's family dying was the first thought I had when family was brought up again a few posts ago ...
also didn't Kaidan's family live in that area?!

Yes, they have property in Vancouver that matured to beachfront via rising sea levels.

And what bribes do you take?  Anything to get that drawing faster. 

[shepskisaac]

meonlyred wrote...
Him flirting with Shepard only means he likes her, not that he assumes she is straight or not. He is hoping she is straight.

He thinks she's straight, thus he thinks he has a chance in the first place. He rather clearly imples during the Liara triangle scene that had he knew she didn't like guys, he wouldn't bother flirting with her at all.

[Ottemis]

IsaacShep wrote...

meonlyred wrote...
Him flirting with Shepard only means he likes her, not that he assumes she is straight or not. He is hoping she is straight.

He thinks she's straight, thus he thinks he has a chance in the first place. He rather clearly imples during the Liara triangle scene that had he knew she didn't like guys, he wouldn't bother flirting with her at all.

Wrong. I'm a 'flaming' hetero, but I truly enjoy flirting with girls asmuch as guys if I find them attractive/estheticly pleasing.
I donot make an assumption nor care at that point where their sexual alighment's at at all.
Showing appreciation can simply be just that you know.

[shepskisaac]

Ottemis wrote...
Wrong. I'm a 'flaming' hetero, but I truly enjoy flirting with girls asmuch as guys if I find them attractive/estheticly pleasing.
I donot make an assumption nor care at that point where their sexual alighment's at at all.
Showing appreciation can simply be just that you know.

But Kaidan's different. He's a guy who doesn't want to throw himself on anyone, even when romancing FemShep he repeats to say just a word if he's outta line and if you turn him down, he even apologizes and swears his flirting will never happen again. That's just how he was written, how he approaches interactions with other people. Understand you are different and there's nothing wrong about it, but Kaidan has his own way.

[Ottemis]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
Wrong. I'm a 'flaming' hetero, but I truly enjoy flirting with girls asmuch as guys if I find them attractive/estheticly pleasing.
I donot make an assumption nor care at that point where their sexual alighment's at at all.
Showing appreciation can simply be just that you know.

But Kaidan's different. He's a guy who doesn't want to throw himself on anyone, even when romancing FemShep he repeats to say just a word if he's outta line and if you turn him down, he even apologizes and swears his flirting will never happen again. That's just how he was written, how he approaches interactions with other people. Understand you are different and there's nothing wrong about it, but Kaidan has his own way.

You missed the point =)
Flirting on it's own does not support your speculation towards the line of thought that Kaidan assumes Shep is straight.

[Criz]

well, judging by Ashley's reaction to Kaidan's flirting during the Citadel view scene, it seems more like clumsy but honest flirting than casual flirting for fun
he probably assumes she's at least bi/interested in guys or he wouldn't bother

just because Shepard has an interest in Liara doesn't mean she wouldn't like guys as well, it may just be about the person in question, not the gender; maybe it helps Kaidan get over the rejection by pretendind it's a gender thing rather then accept that Shepard simply likes Liara more than him?!
But I clearly haven't been able to go through those conversations to know that dialog as well as others ..


no bribes necessary ToP has been updated

[shepskisaac]

Ottemis wrote...
You missed the point =)
Flirting on it's own does not support your speculation towards the line of thought that Kaidan assumes Shep is straight.

Ohh lol, totally misread sorry xD But I still think flirting on his own is due to him thinking Shep's straight and that he wouldn't do that had he knew she wasn't as it's not in his character. My opinion

@Criz-God
ToP is just amazing!!! :wub: And I love how they're in armour again!

[Ottemis]

I would say Kai initially just shows appreciation of Shep without actual forethought or an agenda of that growing into anything more then a compliment to her adress at that specific moment.
And yeah, Kai would be 'serious' about flirtation, he wouldn't show appreciation if he didn't feel any, still, that doesn't imply anything aside from there being appreciation.
Also I'd like to note that the consideration flirtations might not grow into anything real doesn't have to stop someone from saying what they wanted to anyways. Which means that flirtation does not have to be linked to availability at all, in turn.

[FireEye]

Kaidan doesn't seem all that surprised to me if FemShep takes the "I saw her first," dialogue regarding Liara.  His response is, "Yeah, I hear asari are into that," with an undertone of, "Sure, whatever; have fun, boss."

I seem to recall that someone once mentioned that they thought he was going to say something more socially inflammatory (I guess along the lines of, "I didn't realize that you were a squid-humping xenophile," but more politely phrased) but cut himself off and offered something more "socially acceptable" in the "...that you prefer other women."

But then, mostly I'm used to the "OMG, he's a dirty HOMOPHOBE!" interpretation of the line cropping up as an example of how Kaidan sucks because he doesn't like lesbians.  Or... something. 

Modifié par FireEye, 17 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .

[meonlyred]

The main thing is Criz, you'll only get that dialogue if you lead them both on. If you are romancing Liara with your Shepard, then Kaidan will bring up your interest in her before it comes to a confrontation. You can simply say at that point that you like Liara over Kaidan. He was gracefully back out of the romance and you will never get the 'you have to choice' scene.