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[shepskisaac]

FireEye wrote...

Kaidan doesn't seem all that surprised to me if FemShep takes the "I saw her first," dialogue regarding Liara.  His response is, "Yeah, I hear asari are into that," with an undertone of, "Sure, whatever; have fun, boss."

There's a clearly distinct pause before he says "I... Hear Asari are etc" though. To me that's a very clear signal he's surprised FemShep said that about Liara who looks like a woman.

ToP Kaidan


He's just so beautiful

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[FireEye]

faerie dragon wrote...

Okay, you all know how to make a girl come out of lurkdom!  Where/when is that line?  I think I'd remember coming across that, but I don't remember it!

Welcome.  Have a chair. 




To get the "I'm not going anywhere" line, you have to push him to the edge of Renegade but not take the charm/intimidate options.  You'll get to a point where you can apologize or push harder.  If you push him, he breaks up with you.  If you apologize, Shepard calls him invaluable and you get the above.

[Criz]

but the scene where you have to make a choice is too much fun to pass XD
unfortunately this laptop can barely handle ME, so I'll have to wait awhile before playing it again

[Pax of Doom]

Criz-Zone wrote...
EDIT 2:
here we go
sorry for the delay, te original idea would have required to expand this to a comic format, so I changed my mind at some point due to lack of time and then ... decided to draw Kaidan's armor ... so much for drawing something fast

here's a little quiz:
what is Shepard thinking?
a. DAT ASS
b. DAT HAIRBUMP
c. I just hope Kaidan doesn't cast a heart-shaped barrier again*
d. all of the above

*yes, I know that barriers are more like an extra layer and not a sphere like the one to repell the Collector bugs
let's keep it for the sake of silly quizzes

Oh wow, that rocks!!! You deserve a whole plate of Kaidan-cookies for that!  <3

[FireEye]

IsaacShep wrote...

There's a clearly distinct pause before he says "I... Hear Asari are etc" though. To me that's a very clear signal he's surprised FemShep said that about Liara who looks like a woman.

It's been a while since I've heard the line, so I'll take your word for it.  Even so - I wouldn't be surprised if he weren't expecting Shepard to be interested in aliens over her being interested in women.  At least, his sticking point in "you don't have to spend your time with me if you're interested in Liara" dialogues seems very much to be over species rather than over bisexual tendencies.

[shepskisaac]

FireEye wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

There's a clearly distinct pause before he says "I... Hear Asari are etc" though. To me that's a very clear signal he's surprised FemShep said that about Liara who looks like a woman.

It's been a while since I've heard the line, so I'll take your word for it.  Even so - I wouldn't be surprised if he weren't expecting Shepard to be interested in aliens over her being interested in women.  At least, his sticking point in "you don't have to spend your time with me if you're interested in Liara" dialogues seems very much to be over species rather than over bisexual tendencies.

But then he says 'but you look like a ... (woman)' during the triangle scene with Liara which to me reads that it's about the gender (and physical gender characteristics) rather then.

Anyway, wanted to touch a different subject. I wonder if they will explore Kaidan's relationship with his father in ME3. There's that line when Kaidan says he made his father proud -> pause -> "eventually" regarding Kaidan joining the alliance. Do you think Kaidan's father wasn't proud of him before that? Ain't good enough son?

[meonlyred]

I wonder if Kaidan's relationship with his father is strained because he is a biotics or because he killed someone when he was 17. Or both.

Most humans have a lot of misconception about biotics. His father could be one of them. Adding the whole thing with Vyrnnus it might have only fueled his mistrust/fear/disappointment toward his son. That is if Kaidan ever told his parents the whole story. Yay! Daddy issues!!

Modifié par meonlyred, 17 juillet 2011 - 10:06 .

[FireEye]

IsaacShep wrote...

But then he says 'but you look like a ... (woman)' during the triangle scene with Liara which to me reads that it's about the gender (and physical gender characteristics) rather then.

True, but he says that as a reaction to Liara when she says she's not exactly a woman, after he fumbles his first line (which we don't know what he was going to say) and catches on "that you prefer other women" (which is what Liara is reacting to).  If he's surprised that Shepard is flirting with women, you'd think it'd have come up in the earlier dialogues, pre-confrontation.

... in fact, thinking on it, it might not be that he presumes Shepard is straight or that she's bisexual, but that he's leapt to the conclusion that she's solely into women and that he's been misreading the entire situation. 



... my brain hurts. 

IsaacShep wrote...

Anyway, wanted to touch a different subject. I wonder if they will explore Kaidan's relationship with his father in ME3. There's that line when Kaidan says he made his father proud -> pause -> "eventually" regarding Kaidan joining the alliance. Do you think Kaidan's father wasn't proud of him before that? Ain't good enough son?

I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be on account of the biotics.  The books make a big damn point about how Conatix intentionally spread disinformation about human biotics to separate the kids entirely from their families, to the point that some of them were disowned entirely or otherwise never reconciled.

That Kaidan seems like the type to withdraw probably didn't help.  It's possible that he walled himself up in his own head and his father simply didn't push, so it took a long time to bridge the gap (if they ever did).

[Pax of Doom]

FireEye wrote...

I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be on account of the biotics.  The books make a big damn point about how Conatix intentionally spread disinformation about human biotics to separate the kids entirely from their families, to the point that some of them were disowned entirely or otherwise never reconciled.

Not to mention that L2s have the difficulties they have, with potential insanity, and that biotics were watched by the government, he may not have wanted to embroil his family in such problems.

"Ascension" was an interesting book.  Needless to say Hendel was a favorite character.  Would love to see him again, perhaps in another book.

[agumal]

Hotaru29 wrote...

Hmm more than a quick hello to the Alenko's I'd be intrigued to learn more about those four years or what kaidan spent "dropping of the radar". Was it ever mentioned somewhere what he was exactly doing that time? I can't picture him just going back to his family, though he probably had contact with them (after all, he once said "Made my father proud when I enlisted... eventually." maybe I'm reading too much into this but it sounds like the relations to his family are a bit strained) I wonder what he was up to that time

Chances that this issue will be addressed in game is slim, but it doesn't stop me from wondering and speculating as well.

I've always thought that he's not exactly on good terms with his dad.

Anyway, I wonder if Kaidan's an only child or he also has a sibling as well?

Gah, Kaidan's just got so many layers that I want to peel...but I'd rather not force Kaidan but instead let him open up when he's willing.

Edit: Okay Pax of Doom explained this issue better than I would.

Modifié par agumal, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:50 .

[shepskisaac]

agumal wrote...
Anyway, I wonder if Kaidan's an only child or he also has a sibling as well?

Seems like he's the only one. Though there weren't any specific moments in his stories where brinding up siblings would've been necessary and/or relevant, he mentions his parents very briefly so perhaps he has some siblings?

agumal wrote...Gah, Kaidan's just got so many layers that I want to peel...but I'd rather not force Kaidan but instead let him open up when he's willing.

So true. He's a fantastic character. Sadly, many people don't even bother to give him a second thought which is why they find him boring/lame/whatever. He's not. His story, problems, character are just much less on the surface than Jack's for example, it's actually the entire point of his character that he keep this calm persona on display, hiding deep problems beneath. Sometimes it seems like the characters should scream out their issues at Shep, otherwise players can't be bothered to think on their own and actually understand what the characters say

And to end on a less super-serious note, my mShep got one layer of Kaidan he wants to peel in the first place - his clothes

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 juillet 2011 - 12:00 .

[meonlyred]

It might possible that we will see or hear more about his parents since they are from Vancouver. For Kaidan's sake I really hope nothing happens to them but there is a chance we will seeing Kaidan grieving or worried.

[KawaiiKatie]

meonlyred wrote...

It might possible that we will see or hear more about his parents since they are from Vancouver. For Kaidan's sake I really hope nothing happens to them but there is a chance we will seeing Kaidan grieving or worried.

Well, we know that SpacerShep's mama is a goner (okay, we don't know, but Bioware hates us and wants us to cry, so her death is very likely) so if Kaidan's parents die while the Reaper ransack Vancouver, Shep and Kaidan will definitely have something to bond over.

Knowing Bioware's writers, it'll be very emotional and moving.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 18 juillet 2011 - 12:19 .

[shepskisaac]

Ohh snap I forgot his parents live in Vancouver No chance it's not gonna be brought up! Shep will have lots of hugging to do to cheer Kaidan up

[ADLegend21]

>.>.....<.<.....Kaidan's awesome.

[agumal]

IsaacShep wrote...

So true. He's a fantastic character. Sadly, many people don't even bother to give him a second thought which is why they find him boring/lame/whatever. He's not. His story, problems, character are just much less on the surface than Jack's for example, it's actually the entire point of his character that he keep this calm persona on display, hiding deep problems beneath. Sometimes it seems like the characters should scream out their issues at Shep, otherwise players can't be bothered to think on their own and actually understand what the characters say

It's rather amazing how Kaidan - being an L2 - has proven himself to be this calm and collective character. Which makes me somewhat worried regarding his control.

I mean, now that he's promoted to Spectre/Specter status, will he be able to retain his control - especially being an L2?

And now that you guys keep mentioning about his parents...I can't help but worry a lot more.
I seriously do not want Kaidan to turn into Anders 2.0:(

And to end on a less super-serious note, my mShep got one layer of Kaidan he wants to peel in the first place - his clothes [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

...I knew I made some unintentional innuendo when I mentioned about Kaidan's layers.

[meonlyred]

ADLegend21 wrote...

>.>.....<.<.....Kaidan's awesome.

^ This.


Sakuna

This page needs more Kaidan pictures!!

Modifié par meonlyred, 18 juillet 2011 - 12:49 .

[shepskisaac]

agumal wrote...

It's rather amazing how Kaidan - being an L2 - has proven himself to be this calm and collective character. Which makes me somewhat worried regarding his control.

I mean, now that he's promoted to Spectre/Specter status, will he be able to retain his control - especially being an L2?

Said it couple of times, IMO/in my interpretation, Kaidan is actually a highly unstable person inside. A ticking bomb that could be very dangerous if (or wather when) exploded. He keeps himself calm because he's afraid of what he knows he could do (and already did one in the past), but he doesn't realize it only build up emotions inside that will have to find a way out sonner or later. If he was a real life person, with his experiences (esp. killing Vyrnnus) I would consider him a perfect candidate for delayed major depression and breakdown and then heavy therapy. Not a chance someone could go through so much at young age and come out of it perfectly normal all by himself.

agumal wrote...
...I knew I made some unintentional innuendo when I mentioned about Kaidan's layers.

I've been set on Kaidan since ME1, I can't help it

[agumal]

IsaacShep wrote...

Said it couple of times, IMO/in my interpretation, Kaidan is actually a highly unstable person inside. A ticking bomb that could be very dangerous if (or wather when) exploded. He keeps himself calm because he's afraid of what he knows he could do (and already did one in the past), but he doesn't realize it only build up emotions inside that will have to find a way out sonner or later. If he was a real life person, with his experiences (esp. killing Vyrnnus) I would consider him a perfect candidate for delayed major depression and breakdown and then heavy therapy. Not a chance someone could go through so much at young age and come out of it perfectly normal all by himself.

Which makes me really worried for his sanity. I just want to give him a hug. And make everything alright for him. Help Kaidan find some sort of outlet for his emotions or something.

I've been set on Kaidan since ME1, I can't help it

*sigh*  When it comes to Kaidan, I wouldn't be able to help it either...

[Mandalina]

IsaacShep wrote...

agumal wrote...

It's rather amazing how Kaidan - being an L2 - has proven himself to be this calm and collective character. Which makes me somewhat worried regarding his control.

I mean, now that he's promoted to Spectre/Specter status, will he be able to retain his control - especially being an L2?

Said it couple of times, IMO/in my interpretation, Kaidan is actually a highly unstable person inside. A ticking bomb that could be very dangerous if (or wather when) exploded. He keeps himself calm because he's afraid of what he knows he could do (and already did one in the past), but he doesn't realize it only build up emotions inside that will have to find a way out sonner or later. If he was a real life person, with his experiences (esp. killing Vyrnnus) I would consider him a perfect candidate for delayed major depression and breakdown and then heavy therapy. Not a chance someone could go through so much at young age and come out of it perfectly normal all by himself.

Hi, again it's me. I acually have something to add to this. It's a jumbled thought so it might not come out so clear so, yeah. You have been warned.

I think that being in love helps with it. Things like that seem to melt away, and not even bother some people anymore. Then again your Shepard does die, and puts a damper on that feeling; bringing it all back so to speak. He would have had to bury those feelings, and thus putting him back into the "ticking bomb" status again. I have faith in him though. If he does expload at one point in time it would be a mild thing, and soothing it over would almost a simple matter.

Yeah, jumbled. Sorry >.<

[nranola]

IsaacShep wrote...

Anyway, wanted to touch a different subject. I wonder if they will explore Kaidan's relationship with his father in&nbsp;ME3. There's that line when Kaidan says he made his father proud -&gt; pause -&gt; "eventually" regarding Kaidan joining the alliance. Do you think Kaidan's father wasn't proud of him before that? Ain't good enough son?

I've always wondered about that one. I've always associated that small pause with the "enlisting" part and not the "making father proud" part. I don't know which of the two he's talking about now. >__<

I suppose it could also be both: Kaidan's dad pushing him to enlist thus only then making him proud? And yeah, being a biotic probably didn't help.

[MACharlie1]

Or Kaidan's father could have always just been a little peeved that his son ended up closing an entire training station when he killed Vrynnus. From the timeline, it seems Kaidan kind of bummed around for two years after that before enlisting.

[Pax of Doom]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Or Kaidan's father could have always just been a little peeved that his son ended up closing an entire training station when he killed Vrynnus. From the timeline, it seems Kaidan kind of bummed around for two years after that before enlisting.

Define "bummed" .   He does have tech training, maybe he took some training courses or went to night school?

[MACharlie1]

Pax of Doom wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Or Kaidan's father could have always just been a little peeved that his son ended up closing an entire training station when he killed Vrynnus. From the timeline, it seems Kaidan kind of bummed around for two years after that before enlisting.

Define "bummed" .   He does have tech training, maybe he took some training courses or went to night school?

For some reason, I imagine him growing the beard and hair and basically being a lazy schmuck for two years. 

[Kia Purity]

....a friend gave me this link and I had to double facepalm so hard.

http://i20.photobuck...10956001330.png

Modifié par Kia Purity, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:38 .