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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!


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Rudy Lis

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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

:crying:


Sorry, some thing are being beaten deeply into my head during military and LE service.

There are no practical reasons save her over Alenko.

I had some thoughts on trial run with saving her before ME3 release, after someone (Kylecouch, probably) told me about post-Horizon mail from her, but seeing how they implement her character development (as well as many other characters) in ME3, I think that's for the better - I'd prever to keep good memories back from ME1 on her, other than "WTF" memories from ME3.

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I thought it could be better but I really loved to continue my relationship with Ash and ses it blossom and despite the horrible endings I know my Shep and get will be together get married, have kids, and still kick lots of ass

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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I thought it could be better but I really loved to continue my relationship with Ash and ses it blossom and despite the horrible endings I know my Shep and get will be together get married, have kids, and still kick lots of ass


Well, I guess military guy in me beats romantic guy in me. Image IPB

I had simple comparison table in my mind:

Ash                                Kaidan
Gunnery chief                First Lieutenant
25 y.o.                          31 y.o.
Grunt                             Biotic/Tech (harder to train and raise)
Less useful                     More useful
Has 3 sisters                  Only child (and during ME3 events - last of his line>increase priority to keep him alive)

0                                    5

Yes, I'm ruthless calculus. Still like old Ash. Am I that horrible?

P.S. Gah! Local formatting is something!Image IPB

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 08 avril 2012 - 11:19 .


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Well on my madness playthrough, hot badass Ash is the only one that does not die.
The Others die too often:P
So Ash is the Best:P

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It's your choice Rudy choose what you think is best.
BTW the best is Ashley

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I actually thought the same Rudy, but I factored in the Salarians as well which led to me saving Ash.

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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

It's your choice Rudy choose what you think is best.


"Practical" maybe is little more appropriate. Or "calculated". Not best.
 
But judging by ME3 best was to ignore series completely.

That ending was "worst morale blow we ever suffered". And it's not compliment.


Hellfire257 wrote...

I actually thought the same Rudy, but I factored in the Salarians as well which led to me saving Ash.


Bomb or salarians are barely relevant. It seems we will lose same amount of salarians regardless of our choice. And you lose two of your crew regardless of choice too. But more logical choice is to return to bomb site to prevent defusing (it is impossible, according to Kirrahe) or at least delay moving of that bomb out of critical location.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 08 avril 2012 - 11:49 .


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Does Kirrahe appear in ME3 if you didn't rescue his team?

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Thing is, when it comes to marriage, 'Ashley Shepard' sounds ridiculous, lol.

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Hellfire257 wrote...

Does Kirrahe appear in ME3 if you didn't rescue his team?


Salarians doesn't have Project Lazarus.


Phobius9 wrote...

Thing is, when it comes to marriage, 'Ashley Shepard' sounds ridiculous, lol.


I'm not sure I follow.
But if Frank Shepard decided to took Ashley's surname...

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 08 avril 2012 - 12:03 .


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Phobius9 wrote...

Thing is, when it comes to marriage, 'Ashley Shepard' sounds ridiculous, lol.


Uhhhhhh not really 

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Shepard: Hows the situation, Admiral?
Anderson: Stable, but its fragile at best. The main relays between the council races are restore, in addition to Rannoch and Tuchunka.
Shepard: And the Citadel?
Anderson: For the time being, they're repairing what they can and the new elected council have decided to keep it in Earth's Orbit. As a sign of the new 'unity' of races or something like that.
Shepard: Oh, how nice of them.
Anderson: You did good, Shepard.
Shepard: Thank you sir... and incidentally, I thought you ought to know, I've changed my name. *Gives him a small card*
Anderson: What's this - A postcard? *reads*

---- Ashley & Jonathan Williams. ----

Anderson
: Typical. Figured you'd end up getting married again. You have a nasty habit of setting yourself for a lot of pain. I'm happy for you, son.
Shepard: I came back from hell twice for her. I'm keeping this one even if it kills me.
Anderson: Again.
Shepard: Yep.
Anderson: Speaking of, why isn't Ashley on this operation?
Shepard: Oh, she wanted to come. No doubt about that. But we have a child to consider now.


Cause someone mentioned Shepard changing his last name which I could totally see happening when he marries Ash. Shepard is a badass name and all, but I think that even he would get sick of the fame if he isn't already.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 avril 2012 - 12:51 .


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@Rudy Lis

I hate the endings I really do but they honestly dont ruin the series over even ME3 for me. By now I'm just more dissapointed and sad rather than angry. I still enjoy Mass Effect but the series ended for me Anderson died anything after that I refuse to acknowledge.

Modifié par Totally Not Swaggacide, 08 avril 2012 - 12:49 .


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@Aurora

I love Ash but I'm not changing my name

Great dialogue though

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Williams is a kickass name! My Shep would at the very least allow Ash to keep her name and name one of the boys 'Williams'. It's a badass name. And honestly 'Ashley Shepard' doesn't sound all that appealing a name to me.

Its just my opinion though. 

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 avril 2012 - 12:54 .


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I agree with you on the names there Aurora. Ashley Shepard sounds little weird.

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LessThanKate wrote...

*snip*

You might recall, late in ME1 she says something about not having a place in the upcoming war, because she's just infantry, she might as well fire spitballs. Maybe, now that the Reapers are finally here, the fancy title isn't doing much to comfort her and that fear is creeping back, and it's causing her to...withdraw a bit. Although it makes lack of talking all the sadder...romance or no, I would have loved more opportunities to tell her she was, indeed, good enough, although I think the romance, assuming correct dialogue, gets that across.

So yeah...I still don't believe Ash has changed much or she's any less of a character...but I will admit Bioware did not do her total justice. Of course...there are a few characters I believe this company did well in creating, keeping me interested...then end up screwing over. 


The funny thing: I think exactly like you. However, there's a difference between "cold & professional" and "reserved". Sure, Ash might think about a lot of stuff - as you said, she got from one mess to another, without a break. Seems the galaxy unloads all the crap on this one woman, so to speak.

However, even Ash should try to talk about it to Shepard. She doesn't trust people easily, but she definitely should learn to trust Shepard again after the Udina Coup or even better, after their date on the Citadel. Sure, Ash needs her time to catch up, sort stuff out and such. Why's that not used in a dialogue? Why not talking to Shepard, telling him she might need time to realize what's true and what is not. Something like that. Also she definitely should talk about some issues we fans pointed at since "Horizon": what had happened to her in the past two years? What was her job on Horizon? How did she cope Shepard's death (that one is addressed a bit). Did she try to contact Shepard? And of course, the big "I'm sorry scene" from both.

Nothing.

Instead we have that memorial scene (which works fine as hook up) and the date (which is executed in a fine way, although feels a tad incomplete). But beyond that point, Ash should talk to Shepard. Yeah, maybe she's still reserved to anyone else. But she definitely should talk to her lover, trust him, whatever.
Let's say the climax scene, although destined to happen, comes out of nowhere. You rarely talk a word to your lover, she's totally silent and utters only very few lines at all and then, all out of the sudden, she enters your cabin and tries to ease your mind by ... sex?
Dunno why, but the relationship I have IRL works a bit different. ;)

Whatever.
Lets say, Ashley's romance works only with a hefty amount of headcanon. Without that, Ash doesn't feel like Ash anymore. That's disappointing, especially since ME!Ash was one of the best fictional characters created for a game in history ... :(

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@Aurora

I guess it does kind of sound weird now I that I think about it but honestly speaking Wlliams is a generic name I wouldn't call it kickass

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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Aurora

I guess it does kind of sound weird now I that I think about it but honestly speaking Wlliams is a generic name I wouldn't call it kickass


*cough*
"Williams" is the last name of Aurora IRL
*cough*

:D

Arban M wrote...

I agree with you on the names there Aurora. Ashley Shepard sounds little weird.

"Ashley Madeline Shepard" sounds right to me.

Think she'll take his name, being a traditionalist and all. And of course, "Shepard" is associated with the "first human Spectre, savior of the Citadel" - uhh ... let's say, I doubt Shepard is going to give up his name.
So it's going to be "Ashley M. Shepard". Or both keep their names. ^^

Modifié par CptData, 08 avril 2012 - 01:20 .


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Honestly speaking Liaras romance is the only one I can see as a true full circle the others feel incomplete.. Ash really needed more time with Shepard especially considering their history and the love and emotion (not just sex) they expressed before Ilos. You got the real passionate side of Ashley we never got to see again (except in the romance scene and on Earth)

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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Rudy Lis

I hate the endings I really do but they honestly dont ruin the series over even ME3 for me. By now I'm just more dissapointed and sad rather than angry.


I think little clarification is needed. I think that as whole ME3 was mediocre at best (however, with good and even epic moments, which only made those mediocrity more noticable). 6 out of 10 tops. Sounds stupid, but that's shortest appraise I can give. I don't like point system but for this thread sake I use it.

As we stated before, game narrative suffers from poor writing, resulting in alien, cold, distant, detached etc behaviour and interactions among crew, especially LI looks totally out of place. I don't buy "time constrains" nonsense, especially after post-release behavior.


Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I still enjoy Mass Effect but the series ended for me Anderson died anything after that I refuse to acknowledge.


Good position. I envy you. No mockery intended. But cost estimator in me refuse to do that and appraising game as whole.
ME3 ending doesn't kill neither ME franchise, nor ME3 for me. ME3 itself made suiside mission and failed to keep at least one teammate alive. I still enjoy ME1 (heh, I guess Microsoft isn't that bad, eh?), much less ME2 now, since it's resembles ME3. And ME3 itself... I beat it almost 5 times, mostly for character interactions. If it wasn't for them, I doubt I played it more than twice, since there a little-to-no differences between different Shepards. Of course I could play it once and wait for youtube, but for 80 bucks game (and I bought 3) that was a way too high price per hour of gameplay. Image IPB

As I said before, game ending doesn't look like "philosophical blah-blah", it looks like chaff&flares, like it was designed on purpose as red herring (no pun intended), to draw our attention away from multiple problems filling game. Since most of my concerns remained since Demo, I didn't bought that trick and continue to see progressively worse quality and value of second game in row.

Ending itself (everything past beam rush) was that ballast load shift that overkeeled already heavy listing ME3 ship and sends it to ocean's bed. Normandy scene was ammo sympathetic detonation, caused by depth charge explosion, that mercifully killed everyone on board and send ME3 ship's parts all over the place. Simply put - it came with territory, as part and parcel of game. And it has nothing to do with "artistic integrity" (I prefer to avoid discussing Malevich's Black Square and it's contribution to art, as well as ME3 contribution to it).

I could let most things slide, should they done guns right and create proper character interactions. I'd even ignore "meh" storytelling. But "as is"?

Oh, and disclamer - this post is my artistic vision of sutiation. Image IPB


Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Honestly speaking Liaras romance is the only one I can see as a true full circle the others feel incomplete..


Ehm... Honestly I think that Liara's romance was even worse than Ash's. Yes, there were more "dialogues" (WTF? "You with me? Yes, no, cancel?) but the rest of it? It barely feels any way better. Add that touching moment of Shepard carrying wounded Ash back on Mars and her last words on Earth - Ash easy won.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 08 avril 2012 - 01:35 .


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CptData wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Aurora

I guess it does kind of sound weird now I that I think about it but honestly speaking Wlliams is a generic name I wouldn't call it kickass


*cough*
"Williams" is the last name of Aurora IRL
*cough*
:D


Yeah that makes things awkward.
So yeah that weather how bout that?:whistle:

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I felt ME3 was amazing but at the same time it feels lacking. Like its not the game itself but how they chose to go about something. * COUGH* Making Ashley pointless to the overall story and using bull**** to cover your own ass *COUGH* wow that's a bad cough must those crappy endings and the lack of Ash

"Artistic Integrity" is another meaning for go **** yourself we dont care what you think.

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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I felt ME3 was amazing but at the same time it feels lacking. Like its not the game itself but how they chose to go about something. * COUGH* Making Ashley pointless to the overall story and using bull**** to cover your own ass *COUGH* wow that's a bad cough must those crappy endings and the lack of Ash


It doesn't feel amazing for me. I was disappointed with it after demo, full version only gave me full version of those disappointments. Image IPB

I don't know how to properly translate it from my language, I wasn't able to find something proper in all of my dictionaries, but ME 3 feels like "expanded demo", "production build", whatever - sort of "look what we can do". And should they say (and walk their talk afterward) they fix it in next year or two - I'd gladly wait, to receive game at least of ME2 quality (without ME2 projectiles' veloticies PLEASE!).

Game looks like compilation of ideas, but lacks of proper execution and implementation. Not to mention many gameplay elements removed, oversimplified, especially dialogues. If I want shoot things, I play ArmA. Or Battlefield. ME characters presence or lack thereof in shooter means nothing to me.


Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

"Artistic Integrity" is another meaning for go **** yourself we dont care what you think.


Why you not appreciate my artistic vision of situation?!Image IPB

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Modifié par Rudy Lis, 08 avril 2012 - 01:44 .


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Rudy Lis wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I felt ME3 was amazing but at the same time it feels lacking. Like its not the game itself but how they chose to go about something. * COUGH* Making Ashley pointless to the overall story and using bull**** to cover your own ass *COUGH* wow that's a bad cough must those crappy endings and the lack of Ash


It doesn't feel amazing for me. I was disappointed with it after demo, full version only gave me full version of those disappointments. Image IPB

I don't know how to properly translate it from my language, I wasn't able to find something proper in all of my dictionaries, but ME 3 feels like "expanded demo", "production build", whatever - sort of "look what we can do". And should they say (and walk their talk afterward) they fix it in next year or two - I'd gladly wait, to receive game at least of ME2 quality (without ME2 projectiles' veloticies PLEASE!).

Game looks like compilation of ideas, but lacks of proper execution and implementation. Not to mention many gameplay elements removed, oversimplified, especially dialogues. If I want shoot things, I play ArmA. Or Battlefield. ME characters presence or lack thereof in shooter means nothing to me.


Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

"Artistic Integrity" is another meaning for go **** yourself we dont care what you think.


Why you not appreciate my artistic vision of situation?!Image IPB

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I think your trying to say the game feels like it shipped unfinished, which is exactly how it feels to me.