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[dahellraider]

@CptData
My headcannon evolves Ashley and pancakes no jk

More of what would happen than a head cannon. But hay I quarantee you it's a better ending.

For one I can see the couple getting there own small but very own ship. Why might you ask, I really cant specifically see them settling down atleast not for a while. But I can see them retiring, by exploring the stars together, just the two of them working together as a pair of loving spectre's. Marriage somewhere down the line would take place on eden prime where they first meet in combat.I could also see Shepard being offered a seat on the council, but refuses to do what I said before, probably giving Hackett or someone else the seat. And if they ever did settle in the future, would probably be near Ash's family. where Ash would spend her time writing poetry, and shepard would become a teacher, yes I can see him as a teacher.

It appereas I win the top ash once agaIn

Modifié par dahellraider, 19 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[Hellfire257]

You just nicked that off the Wiki didn't you? LOL!

I do not have a headcanon. I just hit the giant pause button called Alt-F4 on my last playthrough where I wanted it to stop.

[Sifr]

Bufardo74 wrote...

Sifr1449 wrote...

In-canon, while she clearly deserves it, does anyone else find it strange Shepard is surprised she's been promoted, but doesn't seem at all surprised she was shortlisted to become a Spectre?

Does anyone else think during Shepard's time in house arrest, Hackett and Anderson discussed Ashley's potential candidacy with them? I can imagine that after everything Shepard has pulled over the last 3 years, they might need them to play "Harkin" for a while in order to show that humanity can have Spectres who aren't so much trouble. Something I've been pondering in my latest playthrough.

Not to bag on Ash (or Kaidan, for that matter), but I think Udina had a lot to do with her Spectre position, not necessarily her merit. I believe Garrus to be a more competent leader & soldier and he was refused entry to the Spectres. As was Admiral Anderson.

Well, yes and no.

Its subtly implied that Udina might have suggested it so she would be his bodyguard, not saying that its not, but on the other hand, she has demonstrated enough skill that its possible that her name might have been put forward anyway, thus Udina could have picked her as well as because her loyalty to Shepard was currently tenuous.

With Garrus it was not so much being refused entry, as his Father, who loathes Spectres, pulling strings so that his candidacy for preliminary Spectre training was denied, thus making sure that Garrus would end up going into C-Sec. Garrus could easily have been a Spectre otherwise and his comment in ME1 that he might reapply, indicates that the offer for him to consider it was never taken off the table, he just never felt the need to until he met Shepard.

With Anderson, it was his tarnished reputation because of Saren that cost him his candidacy, not his own lack of merit. This is possibly reflected if you pick him to become Council in the end of ME1, wherein after 3 years, he's simply too worn out to continue and abdicates his position. Even if his record was expunged in light of Saren's betrayal and he was reoffered the chance to become one, Anderson likely simply doesn't have the energy to be a Spectre anymore. Not to say he isn't one hell of a soldier, its just that he knows that going around the galaxy and beating up the bad guys is a job better suited to someone like Shepard, who has the drive and determination to not give in, the sort of person who can turn a penny and a prayer into a victory. Anderson knows that he's not that sort of person anymore, he's become far too jaded.

So yeah... its possible that Ashley was likely Spectre material and her name may have been put forward, but yeah, I don't disagree that Udina didn't hijack this for his own ends.

Modifié par Sifr1449, 19 avril 2012 - 12:11 .

[DWH1982]

Honestly, the fact that Udina tarnished Ash's Spectre promotion makes me hate him even more. Which is saying something.

There's no doubt in my mind, nor in the mind of my Shepard, that Ash deserves to be a Spectre though. In my playthrough, Shepard never had anything but positive comments about giving Ash Spectre status.

[CptData]

DWH1982 wrote...

Honestly, the fact that Udina tarnished Ash's Spectre promotion makes me hate him even more. Which is saying something.

There's no doubt in my mind, nor in the mind of my Shepard, that Ash deserves to be a Spectre though. In my playthrough, Shepard never had anything but positive comments about giving Ash Spectre status.

Guess in the long run it doesn't matter if Ash is a Spectre or not: that status had no real influence on the game. It was used in ME1 as some kind of plot device to make Shepard "feeling special" but got dropped quickly in ME2. There, it nearly had no influence except very few scenes.
In ME3, BW created the Spectre Armory. Besides that, Shepard's Spectre status had no real impact on the story.

I'm not sure if Ash is still a Spectre after Udina's coup. It's never really stated, I guess Ash thought she got suspended but none of the Councillors states this at any given point. Neither did Hackett or Anderson later.

[Helmnath]

CptData wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Honestly, the fact that Udina tarnished Ash's Spectre promotion makes me hate him even more. Which is saying something.

There's no doubt in my mind, nor in the mind of my Shepard, that Ash deserves to be a Spectre though. In my playthrough, Shepard never had anything but positive comments about giving Ash Spectre status.

Guess in the long run it doesn't matter if Ash is a Spectre or not: that status had no real influence on the game. It was used in ME1 as some kind of plot device to make Shepard "feeling special" but got dropped quickly in ME2. There, it nearly had no influence except very few scenes.
In ME3, BW created the Spectre Armory. Besides that, Shepard's Spectre status had no real impact on the story.

I'm not sure if Ash is still a Spectre after Udina's coup. It's never really stated, I guess Ash thought she got suspended but none of the Councillors states this at any given point. Neither did Hackett or Anderson later.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in game by one of the newscaster videos on the citadel which confirms her spectre status after the coup.  I do agree it doesn't seem to have any plot device in ME3 though

[Hellfire257]

Helmnath wrote...
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in game by one of the newscaster videos on the citadel which confirms her spectre status after the coup. 

This is correct. 

[Dannycni]

Bufardo74 wrote...

Hey, all.

Long time Ash loyalist here. ME1 all the way through to the end, nobody but Ashley captured my Shep's heart. Tali almost persuaded him in ME2 (Horizon bitterness), but I digress.

Been on the spoiler threads a couple weeks before ME3 released. Mostly reading, posting every now and then.

Ever since I finished ME3, I've been bummed.
I suppose I'm looking for something to make me feel better about the series in general.
When I look back on what I do appreciate about the Mass Effect universe, Ashley Williams is one of the first things that comes to mind.

I've read through a bunch of pages here & see a lot of great posts.

Think I'm gonna pull up a seat & chill with you guys, if that's cool?

That sounds exactly the same as me lol, good to know I'm not the only one

[CptData]

Feel free to settle down here, Bufardo74 & Dannycni ...
And contribute some pics, fanfics, dialogues, some stuff to talk about. We need input ^^

Hellfire257 wrote...

Helmnath wrote...
I could
be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in game by one of the
newscaster videos on the citadel which confirms her spectre status after
the coup. 

This is correct. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Thanks.

So Ash is still a Spectre? That's great. Too bad it doesn't have any influence on the second half of the story <_<

Modifié par CptData, 19 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Dannycni]

Complistic wrote...

 got another nice shot I thought I'd share with you guys. Looks like it's from Mass Effect 4 for some reason.

I just saw this and am glad to saw I have my new wallpaper, I've been looking for a decent garrus, ashley and shepard wallpaper since I finished the game

Modifié par Dannycni, 19 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[Dannycni]

CptData wrote...

Feel free to settle down here, Bufardo74 & Dannycni ...
And contribute some pics, fanfics, dialogues, some stuff to talk about. We need input ^^

Hellfire257 wrote...

Helmnath wrote...
I could
be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in game by one of the
newscaster videos on the citadel which confirms her spectre status after
the coup. 

This is correct. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

Thanks.

So Ash is still a Spectre? That's great. Too bad it doesn't have any influence on the second half of the story <_<

Yea it seems strange to me that even though she becomes a Spectre it doesn't seem to be anything that is focused on in the rest of the game, it seems like they made the decision to give her that title but just simply forgot throughout the rest of the game

[DWH1982]

CptData wrote...

Guess in the long run it doesn't matter if Ash is a Spectre or not: that status had no real influence on the game. It was used in ME1 as some kind of plot device to make Shepard "feeling special" but got dropped quickly in ME2. There, it nearly had no influence except very few scenes.
In ME3, BW created the Spectre Armory. Besides that, Shepard's Spectre status had no real impact on the story.

I'm not sure if Ash is still a Spectre after Udina's coup. It's never really stated, I guess Ash thought she got suspended but none of the Councillors states this at any given point. Neither did Hackett or Anderson later.

I still think that, on balance, ME3 was a good game, save for the ending and a few other flaws. However, the more I think about it, the more flaws and missed opportunities I see. This is one of them.

Can you imagine a conversation with Ash in the Spectre office, maybe even on the shooting range, about being a Spectre? I could imagine her feeling a little uncertain about it, and how she got there, after the mess with Udina. Meeting up with her in the Spectre office to talk about it, and being given the chance to either reassure her or act like a total jerk could have been another way to develop the relationship between the two, and help to flesh out Ash's character a bit more - maybe even show a little more of the vulnerable side that she's usually good at hiding.

[Helmnath]

I still think that, on balance, ME3 was a good game, save for the ending and a few other flaws. However, the more I think about it, the more flaws and missed opportunities I see. This is one of them.

Can you imagine a conversation with Ash in the Spectre office, maybe even on the shooting range, about being a Spectre? I could imagine her feeling a little uncertain about it, and how she got there, after the mess with Udina. Meeting up with her in the Spectre office to talk about it, and being given the chance to either reassure her or act like a total jerk could have been another way to develop the relationship between the two, and help to flesh out Ash's character a bit more - maybe even show a little more of the vulnerable side that she's usually good at hiding.

You will find most of us agree with that, on the whole the Ash romance is not too bad just seems to be missing dialogue esp on the Normandy.

There was some cut content that was noted by the people over at Gibbed, Ashley was asking about your near death experience but was cut for some reason - maybe EA did not want to go near religion.

[Sifr]

CptData wrote...

Feel free to settle down here, Bufardo74 & Dannycni ...
And contribute some pics, fanfics, dialogues, some stuff to talk about. We need input ^^

Hellfire257 wrote...

Helmnath wrote...
I could
be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in game by one of the
newscaster videos on the citadel which confirms her spectre status after
the coup. 

This is correct. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Thanks.

So Ash is still a Spectre? That's great. Too bad it doesn't have any influence on the second half of the story <_<

True but this doesn't mean she knows how to fight Reapers. Shepard DOES. Ash would defer to his orders simply because Shepard has had more experience fighting them than anyone else alive and knows how to beat them.

I've always felt that Shepard though recognises Ash's authority and has a sort of mentor thing going on with the relationship, pushing her to realise her potential.

Throughout ME1, Shepard was trying to get her to let go of the "Williams Curse" and be herself, which made her a stronger person after she let go of it.

In ME3, I personally believe that the reason Shepard never shoots Udina is because he wants Ash to do it. Not because he's being callous, nor cruel, but instead, because he's silently acknowledging that Ashley is now a Spectre. Udina is in her charge and he's been proven to be a traitor.

Shepard puts his life in her hands, counting on her judgement to see it through and make her understand that she must take responsibility for her choices. Just like Shepard had to. The training wheels are off now.

[DWH1982]

Hm. I actually used the renegade interrupt to shoot Udina when I did my playthrough. When you explain it like that, I start to think that if I ever play the game over, I should maybe let things play out differently.

[Dannycni]

DWH1982 wrote...

I still think that, on balance, ME3 was a good game, save for the ending and a few other flaws. However, the more I think about it, the more flaws and missed opportunities I see. This is one of them.

Can you imagine a conversation with Ash in the Spectre office, maybe even on the shooting range, about being a Spectre? I could imagine her feeling a little uncertain about it, and how she got there, after the mess with Udina. Meeting up with her in the Spectre office to talk about it, and being given the chance to either reassure her or act like a total jerk could have been another way to develop the relationship between the two, and help to flesh out Ash's character a bit more - maybe even show a little more of the vulnerable side that she's usually good at hiding.

This is actually a scene I kept hoping was going to appear in the game but it just never did. Since Ash was made a Spectre I honestly expected at some point you would meet her in the Spectre Office and have a conversation with her about her feelings on becoming a Spectre and the responsibilites and the honour of being only the second human Spectre. (isn't that right or did i miss something? It is only Shepard and Ash who are human Spectres?) I thought it would focus on meeting a very nervous Ashley who is maybe hiding herself away because she can't quite handle the new role and all the new resonsibility and pressure that comes with. While hiding away Shepard walks in and ends up having to comfort her and continue what has been a very mentoring role so that he can give Ash the confidence and calm to go out and do the same job he does.

But thats just me

Modifié par Dannycni, 19 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[DWH1982]

@Danny: Yeah, only Shep and Ash are Spectres. That's confirmed in the news broadcast - it refers to Ash as "Ashley Williams, the second human Spectre..."

A scene similar to what we had with Garrus, only in the Spectre firing range, might have been nice. I also seem to recall somewhere that Spectres typically start out by training under another Spectre (Shep was different because of unique circumstances) so it actually would make sense for Shepard to continue with Ash "under his wing," so to speak.

I don't want to rag on Bioware too muich, because I really do think that, endings aside, ME3 is still a good experience and better than most games. They put a lot of hard work into it and it shows. But it still feels like there were an awful lot of missed opportunities and chances ot make things better that shouldn't have been missed.

[CptData]

[quote]Sifr1449 wrote...

So Ash is still a Spectre? That's great. Too bad it doesn't have any influence on the second half of the story <_<
[/quote]

True but this doesn't mean she knows how to fight Reapers. Shepard DOES. Ash would defer to his orders simply because Shepard has had more experience fighting them than anyone else alive and knows how to beat them.[/quote]
Not sure if you're right here: Ashley fought Sovereign in ME1, together with Shepard. In ME2, Shepard had to do the Collectors job - and that was only loosely connected to the Reapers. The real deal happened in ME3 and there Ash gets removed for Palaven, Tuchana and Shur'Kesh (spelling ...?). Ash has not much less experience fighting the Reapers, especially since we don't know what she did in the past two years.

[quote]
I've always felt that Shepard though recognises Ash's authority and has a sort of mentor thing going on with the relationship, pushing her to realise her potential.[/quote]
Hmmm ... maybe. Then again: can you see how Vega is treated by Shepard? Same for Garrus in ME1/ME2 by the way: Shepard is their mentor, his role works like that. While Garrus becomes an equally skilled leader to Shepard in ME3 (displayed by his position as advisor of the Primarch!), Vega is just at the beginning of his career as N7 soldier.

Shepard's relationship to Ash never felt like a mentor-pupil relationship to me. Actually, Ashley always felt more like an equal to Shepard than a subordinate, even when she was just a gunnery chief.

[quote]
Throughout ME1, Shepard was trying to get her to let go of the "Williams Curse" and be herself, which made her a stronger person after she let go of it.[/quote]
It was there, but not really that prominent. Shepard simply didn't care about the curse, but he definitely cared of her, allowing her to do her duty, regardless of her name's reputation.
In short: Ashley did it on her own, Shepard just saved her cute ass on Eden Prime

[quote]
In ME3, I personally believe that the reason Shepard never shoots Udina is because he wants Ash to do it. Not because he's being callous, nor cruel, but instead, because he's silently acknowledging that Ashley is now a Spectre. Udina is in her charge and he's been proven to be a traitor.[/quote]
That's highly depending on your headcanon. My Shepard didn't shoot Udina 'cause it never felt right; Ashley did it, to protect the Asari Councillor. Technically, Shepard's reaction was a wrong one - Ashley did right.
As I said, it's a headcanon thing.

[quote]
Shepard puts his life in her hands, counting on her judgement to see it through and make her understand that she must take responsibility for her choices. Just like Shepard had to. The training wheels are off now.[/quote]
And that statement ... I dunno. Ash always picked her own choices, throughout the entire game. She just became more and more versatile, more capable. From ordinary grunt with basic leadership skills she became an elite officer that's capable of leading her own special unit.
However, it was Ash who decided to go after Shepard and allow that relationship to blossom. It was Ash who was constantly giving input to Shepard. It was Ash who called out Shepard on Horizon. It was Ash who did the same on Mars.

That's what Ashley makes a powerful character: she always did her own decisions.
A perfect trait for a XO - she always acted a bit like Shepard's XO in ME1.

[Dannycni]

DWH1982 wrote...

I don't want to rag on Bioware too muich, because I really do think that, endings aside, ME3 is still a good experience and better than most games. They put a lot of hard work into it and it shows. But it still feels like there were an awful lot of missed opportunities and chances ot make things better that shouldn't have been missed.

I agree with you there and would even go further to say I enjoyed Mass Effect 3 in total although I would love a happy ending possibility (thats not a euphemism btw) But I do agree aswell that there were maybe some dialogue and character building opportunities that were missed.

[DWH1982]

Came up with this idea for a short line of dialouge between Shepard and Ash this morning. It fits with my head canon ending, where they end up at the house on Intai'sei while Shepard recovers. Shepard would say this while they're standing in the house, looking out the window:

Shepard: "There are no more endings for us, Ash. Just beginnings."

Too bad I don't have a pic to go with it.

Modifié par DWH1982, 19 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Dannycni]

I like it

[VA_FyreHeart]

Rudy Lis wrote...

VA_FyreHeart wrote...

Ok - I admit, I'm a Talimancer. I liked/romanced Ash in ME1 but I always preferred Tali... until ME3. The "new, improved" Ashley in ME3 made for a _very_ hard decision.

You liked her look, I guess.

Yes, I like her new look, but I also like her new attitude. Her competence on Mars, the quote about "breaking the Williams curse", her take-charge attitude with the council...

It's what I always loved about Tali: She's smart, capable, but thoroughly feminine. Tali, and now Ashley, are proof that women don't have to be butch to be strong.

I guess I'm one of those weird men who's attracted to strong, confident women.

[Sifr]

DWH1982 wrote...

Hm. I actually used the renegade interrupt to shoot Udina when I did my playthrough. When you explain it like that, I start to think that if I ever play the game over, I should maybe let things play out differently.

Well that was my interpretation of the scene. It shows a subtle gesture on Shepard's part that while he's asking her to trust him, but he implicitly trusts her.

To me, particularly if you play as a Paragon, Shepard has an overwhelming implicit faith, not in gods, nor angels, but in people. Ordinary, stupid, brilliant, people, that he counts on to do the right thing when the moment comes.

In that moment, I think it was all laid bare how he feels about Ashley all subtextually.

Shepard: Are you going to shoot me? Ash, my weapon is down!
Ash: Damn it Skipper! I don't know! I can't make that choice.
Shepard: Course you can. You've already made it. So did I!
Ash: And what did you choose?
Shepard: To put down my weapon. Its me, Ash!

Modifié par Sifr1449, 19 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[CptData]

VA_FyreHeart wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

VA_FyreHeart wrote...

Ok - I admit, I'm a Talimancer. I liked/romanced Ash in ME1 but I always preferred Tali... until ME3. The "new, improved" Ashley in ME3 made for a _very_ hard decision.

You liked her look, I guess.

Yes, I like her new look, but I also like her new attitude. Her competence on Mars, the quote about "breaking the Williams curse", her take-charge attitude with the council...

It's what I always loved about Tali: She's smart, capable, but thoroughly feminine. Tali, and now Ashley, are proof that women don't have to be butch to be strong.

I guess I'm one of those weird men who's attracted to strong, confident women.

Now, technically Ash never was "butch to be strong". I fell for her in ME1 - because of the very same reasons why you fell for her in ME3

[DWH1982]

Yeah, in ME1, I didn't think Ash seemed butch in any way. I thought she just seemed practical.

Don't get me wrong, I love her new hair style, but it's not as practical for a soldier. Soldiers (at least on duty) care about being able to see their targets, not looking "hawt" for their date.

Modifié par DWH1982, 19 avril 2012 - 03:41 .