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[DWH1982]

The only thing that could potentially make that dialouge better would be if Shepard quoted poetry, since they often use that to communicate with each other.

Perhaps a poem that involves grappling with self doubt, or something along those lines...

EDIT: Top o the Ash to ye.

Modifié par DWH1982, 06 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[iHorizons]

There is no need to quote a long dialogue, it takes up the whole page and it's annoying when multiple people do it

Modifié par iHorizons, 06 mai 2012 - 08:01 .

[Dannycni]

A friend of mine just started playing Mass Effect 3 for the first time. He sent me a very excited text message saying how he couldn't believe how sexed up the characters had become and he said that he thought Ashley looked very hot now...what a shallow pig

I gave him ear ache saying she had looked great from the beginning but he was having none of it so I'll just have to slap him next time I see him

[DWH1982]

Can you romance Ash if you didn't romance her in ME1?

See... If you didn't carry over a romance, I don't think you should be able to. It would be fine punishment for people who are only interested in her now because "OMG look at her hair," or "OMG, BEWBS!"

Ah well. Edwin Shepard can rest easy, knowing that he has always been faithful to Ash.

[Td1984]

Ushanka wrote...

What do you think if Ash become a writer after war? I mean, she likes literature, and maybe she can be much good in writing. (=

According to this, she releases a book of poetry after the Normandy crew gets rescued (of course it's fan-made and not canon and I'm sure most people know about the site by now, but it works well enough imo)

shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

[BP93]

iHorizons wrote...

There is no need to quote a long dialogue, it takes up the whole page and it's annoying when multiple people do it

Agreed. If you wish to compliment the writer, that's perfectly fine (and frankly, deserved) but don't quote the entire thing all over again, especially on the same page.

/petpeeves

[Dannycni]

I'm not sure DWH1982, because you can just pick up ME3 and start playing I wouldn't be surprised if you can romance whoever but I don't know.

And I agree with you, if you didn't pick her to begin with you shouldn't be able to just jump on the bandwaggon when she has her new hair do and outfits. But also as you said that's not something I have to worry about

[Arban M]

DWH1982 wrote...

Can you romance Ash if you didn't romance her in ME1?

See... If you didn't carry over a romance, I don't think you should be able to. It would be fine punishment for people who are only interested in her now because "OMG look at her hair," or "OMG, BEWBS!"

Ah well. Edwin Shepard can rest easy, knowing that he has always been faithful to Ash.

I romanced Ash in ME3 and didn't do it in ME1 because I started the Mass Effect series with ME2. But yes you can romance her in ME3 even if you didn't do it in ME1.

[Rudy Lis]

DWH1982 wrote...

Can you romance Ash if you didn't romance her in ME1?

Well, if you can do that with Liara and Kaidan - I don't see why not.

DWH1982 wrote...

See... If you didn't carry over a romance, I don't think you should be able to.

Heh. "This is best part to jump in". Don't forget that.
What I wanted, really - totally different handling of imported characters and imported AND romanced characters.
Lemme explain:
- If you imported character, but didn't romanced anyone (or game fails to recognize one), then we should have sort of Joker-EDI relations - "if we all die tomorrow this time" a.k.a "desperation romance" (not exact term, but I'm not sure how you westerners call it) and character's response should be unique to this case.
- If you imported character who had romanced somebody and stayed faithful, then this fact should be acknowledged. And acknowledged better, not in that Liara "Vista" T'Soni way - "You sure? Really? No Kidding? Yes, no, cancel, nevermind?" For the rack sake, if I imported character from ME1, I probably don't have play to romance anyone else!
- Variant for newbies - what we have.

DWH1982 wrote...

It would be fine punishment for people who are only interested in her now because "OMG look at her hair," or "OMG, BEWBS!"

Bewbs? (Yes, I know what that mean!)

[lil yonce]

Reading Patrick Weekes twitter page and I saw he had two things to say about Ash:

If you swing by Tali after Tuchanka bomb plot, you'll hear Tali talking with Ash/Kaidan.

Is this even possible? Has anyone tried this?

And on Ash's use (or lack thereof) of Shep's nickname, Skipper:

Still says it a few times, but Ash's writer didn't want to overuse it. He says, "She focuses more on Captain than Skipper."

I only heard it once. During the coup attempt folks.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 06 mai 2012 - 09:17 .

[Rudy Lis]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Is this even possible? Has anyone tried this?

Well, if you can took Ash on that mission, that means you can visit Quarians' ships and take Tali. No one force you to complete Quarians' missions first.

Youth4Ever wrote...

And on Ash's use (or lack thereof) of Shep's nickname, Skipper:

I only heard it once. During the coup attempt folks.

Well, he definitely didn't want to overuse it.

[DWH1982]

Even if it is true, my response is: "so what?"

One extra - and I would assume brief - interaction with another squadmate doesn't make up for the fact that she spends the overwhelming majority of the time in the lounge, and doesn't even have much to say to Shepard, even if they're starting a relationship again.

As for "skipper," I can understand the desire not to over use it, but the only time I can recall her calling Shepard that was during the coup attempt. And I even failed to notice that during my first playthrough. Not overusing it is one thing, but it was a term of affection that Ash used on a somewhat regular basis in ME1 - so barely using it in ME3 was noticable.

Mind you, if there had been an option to raise this issue with Ash during a conversation, it wouldn't have been so bad. Maybe she just doesn't feel comfortable calling Shepard "skipper" anymore. Would be nice to know why, though, and I think a lot of our Shepards would have tried asking her about that, especially after they got back together.

Also - the fact that Ash seems to use "skipper" only once in the entire game makes me wonder if Kimberly Brooks snuck it in there herself because she thought it would add something to the coup scene. Obviously I have no evidence for this, but the utter lack of the term elsewhere made me think on my first playthrough that Ash's writer in ME3 simply overlooked that aspect of their relationship. Not trying to rag on them or anything, anyone can make mistakes, but I did just figure it was an oversight on the part of a writer who generally did an otherwise decent job at capturing Ash.

Modifié par DWH1982, 06 mai 2012 - 09:29 .

[lil yonce]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Is this even possible? Has anyone tried this?

Well, if you can took Ash on that mission, that means you can visit Quarians' ships and take Tali. No one force you to complete Quarians' missions first.

Okay, I was confused about the mission order. I guess I have to complete Sur'kesh, cure the genophage, play through the coup attempt, visit the Quarians, and then go to the bomb mission to hear the conversation.

That's a lot of planning and leg work for just one auto dialogue. Not to mention it really breaks immersion and mission flow. Guess I'll try it for Ash though.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 07 mai 2012 - 12:13 .

[DWH1982]

I had to go to Tuchanka, do downed turian crew, the bomb mission, and then the Cerberus base mission - and then return to the Citadel. Why?

Because you pick up the "improved power grid" for Purgatory on Tuchanka. But if you complete the genophage mission, you lose the chance to actually drop the damn thing off.

Talk about screwing up immersion and game flow. "Yup, we totally have a genophage cure ready, and we really should get the krogan in the game as soon as possible, but I'm going to leave Tuchanka so I can go back to the Citadel and drop a bunch of random crap off with people."

[Dannycni]

I completely agree with what you're saying DWH1982, obviously can't be sure about Brooks sneaking the word in but it is a sensible question. Lots of people on here who write dialogue or fanfic have Ash call Shepard skipper and I think it works perfectly because you believe that if their scenes were real then she would use it much more as an affectionate term.

I can not for the life of me understand why Ash doesn't have more to say to Shepard especially because after being absent for most of ME2 she would surely have many more questions and thoughts to talk with you about than any other character. Also as you siad if you are supposed to be in a relationship (or re-kindling one) then you must have more options but I think BW just dropped the ball on that whole issue

[lil yonce]

DWH1982 wrote...

Even if it is true, my response is: "so what?"

One extra - and I would assume brief - interaction with another squadmate doesn't make up for the fact that she spends the overwhelming majority of the time in the lounge, and doesn't even have much to say to Shepard, even if they're starting a relationship again.

It gets worse, friend.

Weekes tweeted...

Really? I could've sworn Ash and Kaidan were about even, if not some scenes harder than others, count for more time.

Another tweet:

We didn't put Normandy dialogue count by itself. More helpful to total up Normandy + Citadel dialoges (incl. in hospital)

And another:

You can talk to her while she's unconcious, while she's bedridden, her up and about, date, memorial wall...

Three of those conversations are loosely plot related. Kaidan has those also. And it's obvious Kaidan has much more dialogue and crew interaction than Ash. He has at least two real cutscenes aboard the Normandy. Ash has only one and she's hungover in no position to talk about anything seriously.

That's the problem. We never really talk to her about anything. She has almost nothing interesting to contribute in ME3 when in ME1 she was had an opinion on everything.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 06 mai 2012 - 09:48 .

[DWH1982]

I know.

In all honesty, this has been a cumulative problem with Mass Effect. ME2 had less in depth conversations for all characters than ME1. And ME3 has less in depth conversations for all characters (except maybe Liara) than ME2.

It's bad for everyone, but I really do think it's worse for Ash. Not having her interact with the rest of the crew strips her of her character. Not having the chance for Shepard to have real conversations with her makes it seem like there's still a wall between them, even after they've started their relationship again.

It was particularly bad for me after Thessia. I could imagine Edwin Shepard feeling like sh*t, but all I got with Ash was a brief auto dialouge where he says he's "okay." I can't imagine Ash letting him go with that at all. The Ash I knew from ME1 would have showen up in his quarters and made him talk to her about it, especially if they were in a relationship.

To the writers credit, she eventually does press Shep on his emotions, right before the love scene. But not having any real interaction with Ash right after Thessia just seemed... wrong. It was made worse by the fact that Shepard goes off and comforts Liara. In her room. On her bed.

Modifié par DWH1982, 06 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[Dannycni]

^Yep I'll second that

I wonder how much of it is down to character popularity because if you think about it Liara and Kaidan are 2 of the most popular characters (on this forum that's obvious) and they get more dialogue, whereas Ash has always taken more crap than she deserves. So I wonder if BW realised she isn't the most popular so just didn't focus on her as much. But I doubt that cause I can't see BW doing their dialogue based on what I've said. Bit of a coincidence though

Modifié par Dannycni, 06 mai 2012 - 10:04 .

[lil yonce]

@DWH1982; I did some after Thessia dialogue between Ash and Shepard a while ago. It might help.

After Thessia.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 06 mai 2012 - 10:00 .

[BP93]

DWH1982 wrote...

I know.

In all honesty, this has been a cumulative problem with Mass Effect. ME2 had less in depth conversations for all characters than ME1. And ME3 has less in depth conversations for all characters (except maybe Liara) than ME2.

It's bad for everyone, but I really do think it's worse for Ash. Not having her interact with the rest of the crew strips her of her character. Not having the chance for Shepard to have real conversations with her makes it seem like there's still a wall between them, even after they've started their relationship again.

It was particularly bad for me after Thessia. I could imagine Edwin Shepard feeling like sh*t, but all I got with Ash was a brief auto dialouge where he says he's "okay." I can't imagine Ash letting him go with that at all. The Ash I knew from ME1 would have showen up in his quarters and made him talk to her about it, especially if they were in a relationship.

To the writers credit, she eventually does press Shep on his emotions, right before the love scene. But not having any real interaction with Ash right after Thessia just seemed... wrong. It was made worse by the fact that Shepard goes off and comforts Liara. In her room. On her bed.

Just another example of the Liara favortism by the writers. <_<

[Dannycni]

BP93 wrote...

Just another example of the Liara favortism by the writers. <_<

[DWH1982]

Youth4Ever wrote...

@DWH1982; I did some after Thessia dialogue between Ash and Shepard a while ago. It might help.

After Thessia.

Holy crap that was good.

A scene like that should have been in the game if your LI was on the ship after Thessia. It would have been different for each LI, but it should have been there.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Dannycni wrote...

^Yep I'll second that

I wonder how much of it is down to character popularity because if you think about it Liara and Kaidan are 2 of the most popular characters (on this forum that's obvious) and they get more dialogue, whereas Ash has always taken more crap than she deserves. So I wonder if BW realised she isn't the most popular so just didn't focus on her as much. But I doubt that cause I can't see BW doing their dialogue based on what I've said. Bit of a coincidence though

Ignoring the character bashing above me; the most reasonable explanation for the shoddy quality of Ashley's character?

They ran out of time.

Think about it.  They had a limited amount of time.  They had tons of ideas to work with and wanted to put in.  You really think they wanted to have to endure the accusations of character favoritism?  Of course not.  I like both Ashley and Liara.  I loved them both in ME1 because they both had a clear direction. Fast forwrad to ME3 and I enjoy what they did with Liara, but I often find myself despondant because Ashley seems like an afterthought after all the attention Kaidan and Liara got in comparison.

If there's anyone to blame, it's EA.  There's a good chance they wanted to close out their fiscal year with a sure hit, i.e. Mass Effect.  And as a result, I would guess a lot fo content Bioware wanted to put in, you know like a REAL ENDING, got put on the chopping block.  (It's also why the Indoctrination Theory's a turd.) And sadly, Ashley's development got cut, much to my chagrin.

I like Ashley, I don't like what happened to her.  She should be wearing the same kind of armor Vega and Kaidan are wearing, not Barbie in Space.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 06 mai 2012 - 11:13 .

[Dannycni]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Ignoring the character bashing above me; the most reasonable explanation for the shoddy quality of Ashley's character?

They ran out of time.

Any character bashing on my part is a pure joke I love them all

But yea i think you nailed it on the head with running out of time and I think it is painfully obvious, sadly cause it could have been so much better. Us Ashley fans were definately hit the hardest though and it's not fair and there is only so much the DLC can do to help that, if anything

Modifié par Dannycni, 06 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[DWH1982]

I like Ash and Liara. I just get tired of Bioware seeming to favor one of them - with DLC, comics, more content in game, etc. I get that Liara's expertise makes her more relevant to the plot in some ways, but there should have been plenty to work with for Ash, Kaidan, and the others to give them equal time.



Edwin Shepard likes both of them, too, and would like them to be friends.

Modifié par DWH1982, 06 mai 2012 - 11:38 .