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Cossack72

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

You guys wanna talk about something controversial? Let's talk about Horizon instead.

Just throwing a suggestion out there.

There should have been angry sex.

Ash: you could have called!
Shep: Iw as dead cerberus brought me back to life.
Ash: they did?
Shep: yeah I'm still me.
Ash: I'll be the judge of that

*love scene*


I'll be here all week.Image IPB


I recall there being caption images of this (sort of)

Went like:

ME1 -- Fall in love

ME2 -- Have a big fight

ME3 -- Have awesome makeup sex

Modifié par Cossack72, 07 mai 2012 - 05:34 .


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lil yonce

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@ADLegend21; Cute!

What'd you guys think about it? How'd you interpret it?

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

You guys wanna talk about something controversial? Let's talk about Horizon instead.

Just throwing a suggestion out there.

There should have been angry sex.

Ash: you could have called!
Shep: Iw as dead cerberus brought me back to life.
Ash: they did?
Shep: yeah I'm still me.
Ash: I'll be the judge of that

*love scene*


I'll be here all week.Image IPB


:wub:

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Cossack72 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

You guys wanna talk about something controversial? Let's talk about Horizon instead.

Just throwing a suggestion out there.

There should have been angry sex.

Ash: you could have called!
Shep: Iw as dead cerberus brought me back to life.
Ash: they did?
Shep: yeah I'm still me.
Ash: I'll be the judge of that

*love scene*


I'll be here all week.Image IPB


I recall there being caption images of this (sort of)

Went like:

ME1 -- Fall in love

ME2 -- Have a big fight

ME3 -- Have awesome makeup sex


LOL :lol:

Funny but kind of true at the same time. It was all sad and "I'm sorry, I love you" type stuff. :(

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Cossack72 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

You guys wanna talk about something controversial? Let's talk about Horizon instead.

Just throwing a suggestion out there.

There should have been angry sex.

Ash: you could have called!
Shep: Iw as dead cerberus brought me back to life.
Ash: they did?
Shep: yeah I'm still me.
Ash: I'll be the judge of that

*love scene*


I'll be here all week.Image IPB


I recall there being caption images of this (sort of)

Went like:

ME1 -- Fall in love

ME2 -- Have a big fight

ME3 -- Have awesome makeup sex

I remember that! if someone could find that they'd be a hero.

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I wish there was Ashley

Modifié par iHorizons, 07 mai 2012 - 06:25 .


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@AD;:lol: Isn't that a bit awkward with the other two squadmates just standing there.
Garrus: Ehm, hehe, right. Maybe we should just ...um..go.
Mordin: Curious. Clearly visible tension-no, no, not tention, I'd go even further, Anger between the two. And yet-
Garrus: It happens, actually I have a funny story about that..but under the circumstances..Let's just go, Cmon.
Mordin: No. Far to intriguing, need to figure out why first. You go ahead, I'll stay.
Garrus::?

Youth4Ever wrote...

@ADLegend21; Cute!

What'd you guys think about it? How'd you interpret it?

How did I interpret Horizon? Heat of the moment row, and neither of them did/were willing to understand each other.

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@AD;:lol: Isn't that a bit awkward with the other two squadmates just standing there.
Garrus: Ehm, hehe, right. Maybe we should just ...um..go.
Mordin: Curious. Clearly visible tension-no, no, not tention, I'd go even further, Anger between the two. And yet-
Garrus: It happens, actually I have a funny story about that..but under the circumstances..Let's just go, Cmon.
Mordin: No. Far to intriguing, need to figure out why first. You go ahead, I'll stay.
Garrus::?

Youth4Ever wrote...

@ADLegend21; Cute!

What'd you guys think about it? How'd you interpret it?

How did I interpret Horizon? Heat of the moment row, and neither of them did/were willing to understand each other.


That honestly made me laugh the first time. Ash comes up and hugs Shepard while the two squadmates just stand behind you and watch. That had to be so awkward.

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@Mr. Brainheart

But there is nothing to understand

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@AD;:lol: Isn't that a bit awkward with the other two squadmates just standing there.
Garrus: Ehm, hehe, right. Maybe we should just ...um..go.
Mordin: Curious. Clearly visible tension-no, no, not tention, I'd go even further, Anger between the two. And yet-
Garrus: It happens, actually I have a funny story about that..but under the circumstances..Let's just go, Cmon.
Mordin: No. Far to intriguing, need to figure out why first. You go ahead, I'll stay.
Garrus::?

Youth4Ever wrote...

@ADLegend21; Cute!

What'd you guys think about it? How'd you interpret it?

How did I interpret Horizon? Heat of the moment row, and neither of them did/were willing to understand each other.


Awesome Brain! Mordin would want to get to the bottom of it.

Yeah, very heat of the moment. Very shocking for Ash. I think she meant what she said though. Not exactly the way she said it, but the underlying message.

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Youth4Ever wrote...

You guys wanna talk about something controversial? Let's talk about Horizon instead.

Just throwing a suggestion out there.


The
whole situation was poorly handed, ****** poor dialogue option and there is not really a proper follow up. The whole
problem was totally ignore for the rest of the game                             

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iHorizons wrote...

@Mr. Brainheart

But there is nothing to understand


On the contray, there was plenty to misconstrue.

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Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

The whole situation was poorly handed, ****** poor dialogue option and there is not really a proper follow up. The wholeproblem was totally ignore for the rest of the game.


That was my biggest problem. It was never talked about between the two. I thought Mars was just the beginning. Turn out it was the closest thing we got to an actual Cerberus talk.

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Youth4Ever wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

@Mr. Brainheart

But there is nothing to understand


On the contray, there was plenty to misconstrue.


Please elaborate 

Modifié par iHorizons, 07 mai 2012 - 06:16 .


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Instance wrote...

Here
My previous dialouge continued.

Shepard enter the Spectre Offices and approaches the Terminals and Calls Miranda on the Holo-Display

Shepard: Okay Miranda I've accessed those files you wanted.
Miranda: Thank you Shepard, I'll send the download address to your omni-tool.
Shepard ... Okay it's sent. ....
*Enter Ashley, quietly*
Shepard: Good luck Miranda.... And be careful
Miranda: Always Shepard ... Looks like you have a guest *cuts communication*
Shepard: *turns around* Ashley what are you doing here?
Ashley: I'm a Spectre now, just going to do some target practice at the range. This the errand you were going to run?
Shepard: Yes it is.
Ashley: ....  .... Well? What did you need to do?
Shepard: An favor for a friend
Ashley: Wow, illuminating ... Who's your friend?
Shepard: an old acquaintance
Ashley: ... Care to elaborate Skipper? *annoyed*
Shepard: Miranda Lawson
Ashley: The Cerberus agent?!?!
Shepard: Former, former Cerberus agent. She and the rest of my crew left after we defeated the Collecters.
Ashley: Still Shepard ... Why would you need to contact a former Cerberus agent on a secure Spectre line?
Shepard: I was helping her with a problem.
Ashley: Here we go again, avoiding the question. *takes an angry stance*
Shepard: Ash ... I promised to keep it a secret.
Ashley: Am I not trustworthy enough? I thought we had no secrets.
Shepard: You know I always keep my word, Ash. I can't
Ashley: Shepard, you promised that we would have no secrets well before you promised her anything.
Shepard: *sighs* Look Ash don't make a big deal of this --
Ashley: A big deal ?!?! What am I supposed to do here? You contact a former terrorist in private and then refuse to tell me what it is you talked about?
Shepard:  ... Ashley
Ashley: Tell me Shepard... Now
Shepard: ... Fine... Look It's not anything important Ash, I was just sending her some Intel the Alliance gathered years ago.
Ashley: You trusted her with top secret Alliance resourses? Shepard ... why would you give her something like that?
Shepard: She won't harm anyone with it ... I trust her Ash.
Ashley: Apparently more than me
Shepard: What? Ashley why would you even suggest that?
Ashley: Because you gave HER military intelligence and you wouldn't even tell me who you were talking to!
Shepard: And this is why! Ever since I've been back you have suspected I'm still with Cerberus. I can't do anything to convince you otherwise.
Ashley: Yes you can Shepard, by not lying to me!
Shepard: When did I lie to you? I just didn't tell you the whole story because I knew you would overreact?
Ashley: Shepard I am not overreacting. I'm concerned... What if she uses the Intel against us? How can you trust her?
Shepard: Miranda and I have been through alot, I TRUST her Ashley, end of story.
Ashley: Hmmm ... Been through alot you say ... Something I should know about?
Shepard: ... Ash don't you even suggest that I ever would even consider ---
Ashley: And why not? She is obvioussly attractive, has the whole package and, I guess, your unwavering trust.
Shepard: Ashley, I would never cheat on you . You know I love you.
Ashley: Do I Shepard? because last time I checked, people in love don't keep secrets about "not important" things.
Shepard: Don't be angry at me Ash, I'm just trying to help out a friend who's in trouble!
Ashley: This isn't about you helping a friend Shepard, you obvioussly haven't been listening to a word I've said. *Storms off*
Shepard: *heavy sigh* Wonderful, and we share a room.


More story! Please it's actually really good. I'm a Liara fan, but I still like this.

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Youth4Ever wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

The whole situation was poorly handed, ****** poor dialogue option and there is not really a proper follow up. The wholeproblem was totally ignore for the rest of the game.


That was my biggest problem. It was never talked about between the two. I thought Mars was just the beginning. Turn out it was the closest thing we got to an actual Cerberus talk.


It is not just
horizon; the face off during the coup at the citadel
was not address as well. A situation that almost causes ash to
nearly kill shepard, was totally ignore as well. I was
expecting both of them to sort everything
back on  the Normandy or during the
date at the citadel         

Modifié par Johnny_TYS38, 07 mai 2012 - 06:19 .


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Youth4Ever wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

The whole situation was poorly handed, ****** poor dialogue option and there is not really a proper follow up. The wholeproblem was totally ignore for the rest of the game.


That was my biggest problem. It was never talked about between the two. I thought Mars was just the beginning. Turn out it was the closest thing we got to an actual Cerberus talk.


Well we went a whole game (ME2) of Ash not trusting Shepard, so part of me is kind of glad she is a little "too quick" to trust Shepard again in ME3.

However, there could of been numerous conversations on board the Normandy about it afterwards though. In essence, if the crew convo's were like ME2 I think they would go like this:

Garrus = talks about his Dad/task force
Ashley = talks about Cerberus/what she did in those 2 years Shepard was dead
James = goes more in depth about his old CO and squad/N7 recommendation
Kaidan = Same as Ashley.
Tali = goes more in depth about her position with the Fleet, depending on your decision at her trial in ME2.

Liara, EDI & Joker, and Javik are pretty much complete and comparable to ME2.

Honestly, the convo's in ME2 were probably favorite part of the game. I remember my first playthrough I was in awe of Thane's whole arc.

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...
]If you feel someone's opinion is uninformed or have good reason to believe it's incorrect or unfair than you should not have to accept it. Critique is often very valuable. Anyway, the Ashley Williams thread is not the place for such a discussion.


It's contextual. You just saw the result of blurting out arguments and counter-arguments. I have my own opinion on the matter but I decided to keep it to myself because like you said, this isn't the place and sometimes just moving on is the right thing to do. Fuelling the fires is counter-productive. I was taught that understanding is the key to knowledge, and to understand you need to be able to accept people's opinions no matter how wild they are - dismissing perspectives narrows your own.

Anyway, Horizon.

In my opinion, Horizon is the trial of the relationship between Shepard and Ashley.If we are ignoring the confines of the game here, Horizon would be the point that either makes or breaks the relationship depending on the outcome of the interactions between Shepard and Ashley.

As always, there is no firm way to interpret the situation and it's outcomes as there are a huge amount of variables involved including the player's own interpretation of both characters.

Ashley is more than likely aware of the rumours of Shepard's return by the time of Horizon. However it is easy to not realise this if you haven't paid attention to the plot or haven't read between the lines. Ashley has mourned Shepard for almost two years now. How she dealt with the loss is open to interpretation here and I believe it affects the outcome of the scenario. For the player, it is easy to forget that it has been two years and this instantly paints Ashley in a bad light for being angry/frustrated or whatever emotion you attached to her for this scene. If the player takes into account the time difference and is considerate enough they will sympathise with Ashley and try to reassure her. If not, then the player probably moves onto one of the ME2 romances or just goes off in a huff.

Another point to consider is the player's attitude to Ashley as a whole; how 'in love' their Shepard is with her character. If the player simply used Ashley because they didn't want to romance an alien and were not interested in her at all then the player is probably going to approach the situation wanting to end the relationship and tell her where to stick it. Conversely, if the player does want to continue the relationship then they are going to once again try and reassure her.

The case with reassuring is that Ashley arguably doesn't need/want to be reassured - she just wants the problem to go away. Does she want the problem solving? I don't know - that's up to the player, but for me I interpret it as her just wanting to hide from the issue; her lover, who she saw asphyxiate, has come back from the dead, ignored her (or so she thinks), and joined up with something that is commonly known as a terrorist organisation. Once again the amount of empathy the player has with Ashley is important here. Does the player understand why she is thinking these things, why she is angry? It depends on how you interpret the whole thing. I gave her the space I felt she needed, reassured her as best as the game would allow and then got on with the rest of the story. Others might simply think she is being completely unreasonable, however to think that I think that you yourself have to be unreasonable for not being able to empathise with her and see things from her perspective. As with everything in Mass Effect and arguably any form of art, it is completely open to interpretation and how involved the observer is in relation to said piece of art.

On the whole I agree with your own analysis, YCF.

Modifié par Hellfire257, 07 mai 2012 - 06:30 .


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iHorizons wrote...

Please elaborate


There's the Alliance intel Ash recieved suggesting Cerberus involvment in the colony abductions. Shepard tells her he was "rebuilt" by Cerberus - that could mean a lot of different things - and teaming up with TIM raises a lot of questions in general.

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I wish there was more Ash content, there really isn't much to talk about

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iHorizons wrote...

I wish there was more Ash content, there really isn't much to talk about


We're having a discussion now. Why not join in?

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Youth4Ever wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

Please elaborate


There's the Alliance intel Ash recieved suggesting Cerberus involvment in the colony abductions. Shepard tells her he was "rebuilt" by Cerberus - that could mean a lot of different things - and teaming up with TIM raises a lot of questions in general.


But if Shep didn't join Cerberus and more colonists got killed and Shepard said "I could of prevented their deaths but I didn't want to join Cerberus because of my pride". Everybody would hate Shepard

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Hellfire257 wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

I wish there was more Ash content, there really isn't much to talk about


We're having a discussion now. Why not join in?


I phrased that wrong, I meant ME3 wise.

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iHorizons wrote...

But if Shep didn't join Cerberus and more colonists got killed and Shepard said "I could of prevented their deaths but I didn't want to join Cerberus because of my pride". Everybody would hate Shepard


That is why Bioware doesn't give the player the option to not join Cerberus. There wouldn't be much of a story if he didn't. It's another of the things that Bioware sets in place to ensure the player revolves around the plot and not visa versa.

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iHorizons wrote...

But if Shep didn't join Cerberus and more colonists got killed and Shepard said "I could of prevented their deaths but I didn't want to join Cerberus because of my pride". Everybody would hate Shepard.


@Hellfire; Well said. I do think she wants the problem to go away in ME2 - I don't think she wants to be reassured. In ME3 since Shep's Cerberus stint is over - I think she wants to be reassured they didn't change him then.

@Horizons; You're thinking about it as Shepard did on Horizon. You have to consider those three things I listed would dramatically affect Ash's position in that moment.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 07 mai 2012 - 06:37 .