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[CptData]

DWH1982 wrote...

It's funny... I was starting to feel better about things, then I noticed someone with Bioware posted a link to an article about how the ending was about "saying goodbye to the Mass Effect universe" or something like that. In the link, they said, "Finally, someone gets it."

Well. One thing is for sure: BW is not retconning all of the stuff in the game we have now. I'm pretty sure some facts will stay the same, like the starchild, the decisions and the fate of the Mass Relays.

However, they might state some stuff I think most ppl may support:

- Fate of EDI & Geth in case of "Destruction Ending" - do they really die?
I hope you can save both with sufficient EMS, like Shepard.

- Fate of the races
Did they come home? Does FTL still work so they can return to their homeworlds? What happened to those worlds? 

- Fate of Earth

- Fate of the Normandy and Shepard's LI
Still that planet? I hope not. And even if they crash on the planet, did they ever see Shepard again (if s/he survived the endings)?

That just p*ssed me off all over again. I guess since we're supposed to say "goodbye" to the Mass Effect universe, I'll just stick with my original plan and not bother with buying any future DLC.

No, not really. I know BW simply wants to end the series with ME3. That's good: better end an amazing trilogy today then allow EA to churn out one ME after another with disappointing content and quality. Well, technically ME3 was disappointing RPG-wise already ...

I'm waiting to see what happens with the EC. I don't want to be totally negative anymore. I don't know for sure what they have planned. Maybe they'll at least give us something with Ash. An ending where they're together would help me accept everything else.

Well, all I want is a reunion of Ash and Shepard in the end.
I don't care if the Mass Relays are gone. FTL is still available and they have enough dead Reapers in the orbit of Earth to get their Eezo and construct new Mass Relays, if they want.
I do care for EDI and the Geth, however.

[Yuqi]

Just wanted to pop in and say Ashley is awesome. While she is not my favourite character she comes very close, and it's a shame she didn't get more content.

So yeah just dropped in to show my support.

[Rudy Lis]

dahellraider wrote...

people, the topic is Ashley, not wisdom ahahah

Wisdom.
It's never treaded here.

CptData wrote...

I don't care if the Mass Relays are gone. FTL is still available and they have enough dead Reapers in the orbit of Earth to get their Eezo and construct new Mass Relays, if they want.

To build relay you need to know how and have proper resourses and technologies. Yes, I remember Aethyta.

Regarding FTL - they didn't gave us enough info to calculate "fuel consumption rate" so to speak. i.e. it may happen that we will haveTiger tank situation, when you have tank, but have no infrastructure to support it. And, apparently, it already happened.

And thing that actually bothers me most - in case of Destroy ending, how many Reapers we actually destroyed? Since in ME only bad guys have plan, somehow I doubt Reapers arrived at full force - we are still weak in this cycle, so should I control them, I wouldn't sent all of them, only Vanguard, to harass transportation and destroy main occupation/manufacturing facilities.
And if those Reapers in our Galaxy were only part of greater whole - were others harmed or not? Apparently relays are important only for us, since Reapers don't give a damn and can travel on their own, without relays.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 12 mai 2012 - 10:18 .

[Dannycni]

@DWH, I'm starting to agree with you about just burying my head in the sand and pretending the end never happens so my imagination takes over. I'm very tempted on my next run through to just end it after the Anderson scene on the citadel. But then I won't get to see Shepard breath at the end and so force myself to believe he met up with the crew and Ashley again...tough decisions.

Plus DWH if the endings ever get you down just visit here:

http://social.biowar...ndex/11754372/1

Funniest thread I ever did see, I can't stop myself erupting with laughter!!!

Modifié par Dannycni, 12 mai 2012 - 11:35 .

[CptData]

Ashley ... is sex(y).

Proof!

[Rudy Lis]

[DWH1982]

CptData wrote...

No, not really. I know BW simply wants to end the series with ME3. That's good: better end an amazing trilogy today then allow EA to churn out one ME after another with disappointing content and quality. Well, technically ME3 was disappointing RPG-wise already ...

For the record, ending ME3 the way they did was a stupid way to try to ensure this.

If some corporate suit in the future wants another ME game to be churned out, they'll make it happen despite the ending. If necessary, they'll retcon, or just outright ignore the ending, if they think they can make money.

The ending does nothing to prevent that. Nothing. All it does is crap on the fans of the original trilogy.

Anyway... I'm off topic. Should be talking about Ash here, not the ending:



We've been talking a lot about what we don't like about ME3, but what would you say you like most about Ash?

I like the fact that she's not quick to trust Shepard again. That's part of her character. I wouldn't want her to trust Shepard right away.

Although it's controversial, I like her new look, even if I think her hair doesn't make sense for combat.

I like the fact that she can wear armor in combat, not a "combat cat suit."

I like the way they handeled her hospitalization, and the conversations you can have with her when you visit.

I like the fact that she still shows a deep devotion to her family.

I think the writer who was responsible for Ash actually did a good job. Just wish we could have seen more of her.

Modifié par DWH1982, 12 mai 2012 - 01:06 .

[Aurora313]

Shepard: What did I tell you Ash?
Ashley: Not to drink the Ryncol...
Shepard: And what did you do?
Ashley:  Drank the Ryncol.
Shepard: Uh huh.
Ashley: F*ck you and that damned steel lever.
Shepard: "-that damned steel liver...?"
Ashley: Sir.
Shepard: Off to hangover land for you, Williams.
Ashley: ... hate you, Skipper.
Shepard: Love you, too, Ash. 

I know this is an oldie. I'm out of material atm. Constructing Renagon's (Earthborn, Sole Survivor)headcanon. Gotta get his origin story set.

[ExorioN PL]

CptData wrote...

Ashley ... is sex(y).

Proof!

Now back to.... damn' i can't focus.

[DWH1982]

ExorioN PL wrote...
Now back to.... damn' i can't focus.

Does this help? 

[Arban M]

Going to post my hospital dialogue (V2) later today. Here's some pictures :happy:.

[ExorioN PL]

DWH1982 wrote...

ExorioN PL wrote...
Now back to.... damn' i can't focus.

Does this help? 

What I'm doing here?

[Dannycni]

@DWH, What do i like about Ashley?

She's not a sheep like the others and she has the guts to question Shepard on some of his...well frankly weird decisions. I like that strong woman thing

She has a religious faith and is devoutly loyal to her family, I can draw similarities there

She is a great shot, believe me she saved my ass several times in ME3 especially as I was about to be killed by a banshee

She's funny, I like her style of humour

She's got great hair, I love that hair do, although I do agree it's very impractical for combat

Kimberly Brooks voice acting is fantastic, honestly I think she does the best job

She has some of the most touching and personal conversations which I really loved and the farewell actually gave me a lump in my throat

And....she's hot, I mean come on what else do you need???

Modifié par Dannycni, 12 mai 2012 - 03:05 .

[Aurora313]

This is featuring my new Shepard, Andreas - the Renagon. Just to clarify. My headcanon of the 'god' conversation with Ash. He's kind of embittered... but he'll grow on you.

Shepard: He's not a zombie, is he?
Ashley: *awkward chuckle* You know, from heaven. Wherever that is. That's... not a problem is it? That I believe in god?
Shepard: Hmm. You're one of those preacher people, are you?
Ashley: I'm not a Zealot, Commander! And I take offense to that. But just look out a window! How can you see this and not believe in... something?
Shepard: I believe in surviving to fight another day. That enough for you?
Ashley: Survival alone is overrated, you need to live a little too, Shepard.
Shepard: And you think being a preacher is 'living'?
Ashley: I'm not a zealot Commander. I believe that they're a higher power controlling everything.
Shepard: Yeah - they're called the 'Reapers'. and they won't be so 'high' or 'powerful' when I'm through with them.
Ashley: ... Permission to speak candidly?
Shepard: I'm couldn't stop you even if I wanted to.
Ashley: Just what in hell have you got against religion anyway?
Shepard: I just can't grasp the concept. Putting your faith in something that may or may not exist. To me, it's a bunch of fanciful rubbish that idiots cling to when they're desperate.
Ashley: I'm not desperate, nor idiotic. And it's not 'crap'. Religoin can give us an answer for why we exist in the first place.
Shepard: That remains to be seen. But it's none of my damned business. To each his own.  Personally, I still think it's a load of crap.
Ashley: I never said it was the right answer.

Modifié par Aurora313, 12 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[Sylvianus]

Any news I've missed ?

[lil yonce]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Yeah, she keeps Shepard honest about things. This sort of drama can be more interesting than plot driven drama and I wish they'd gone more in depth with the root of Ash's distrust and embrace the back-and-forth - the snap, crackle, and pop of their dynamic post Cerberus.

I guess going more in depth might've been to much for the people who aren't looking for the psychological drama, in the sense that it'd become off-putting. They've struck a nice balance, giving something that's thought provoking, if you want it to be. Although granted it can feel like a bit of tease.

Youth4Ever wrote... 
I believe in her heart of hearts she did trust him. She did believe him when he says his intent was pure and altruistic. However, there's just too much that doesn't quite fit from her perspective - from a distance - from her educated guess - and she can't remain doubt free.

 
I concur, it's interesting, because it seems like she struggles to bring that across to Shepard on Mars at least. I imagine she really wanted to tell him "I believe you, I  do trust you", but rationally she couldn't bring herself to it. I wonder actually is Ashley more a person of rational or more a person of emotion. She can react quite emotionally, but also often has a rationale behind her reaction. Maybe she bases her rationale off of her emotions? Not sure.

It should've been explored in the romance. I think we were all expecting this to be a big deal, a gamechanger, in their relationship and we didn't get even a shadow of exploration. We get a line of questioning on Mars, and though she extends an olive branch - hesitance at the hospital, and then we get the coup attempt were she flatout says "I don't know who's side you're on." There's no trying to understand or trying to make her understand before the coup which would've added the emotional layer missing from their dynamic. They don't talk about each other - what really happened with his mission beyond the Omega-4 Relay. They don't talk about his two year hiatus. They don't talk about his death or his resurrection. They don't talk about her promotion or her having attended officer canidate school. They don't talk about how she looks radically different. How she is radically different since they last met up. What exactly do they know about each other's lives these days? Nothing. And these two want to be a couple again? It's all too superficial.

They don't touch on at all how the Cerberus stint is at the root of their emotional distance.  It was never satisfyingly addressed and all we get hear about and ad nauseum - is talk about her sister Sara's dead husband. Her story arc was just done all wrong. I'm sorry Sara, but you're not that important. You just aren't. They never talk about their own problems. She gets falling down drunk on they Normandy and they still don't talk about it what's really bothering her. It's implied she's stressed out about things, but I'm sorry, implied isn't good enough. Not when Tali retakes Rannoch. Not when Liara loses Thessia. Not when Garrus talks at length about Palaven's situtaiton. It just isn't.

I think Ash posses a rational and practical personality built on the foundation of faith. It's a paradox, but it's Ash's paradox. Not everything can be explained by data and she considers the human factor in most situations with an underlying human theme. She can be explosive when cornered or when she feels threatened or when she's upset but she can read situations well, is smart, and relys equally on her intellect and intution and feelings in decision making. I think we see all of that come out in the Horizon blow up. She reads the Cerberus situtation better than anyone else in game and flatout says "No, I can't get behind this because I'm Alliance." That's her head and her heart speaking at the same time.

Let's keep this discussion going Brain. Anyone else want to join in?

EDIT: Ash and Cortez finally finished.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 12 mai 2012 - 04:14 .

[dahellraider]

@CptData

That's some solid evidence you have there (looks at pic scientifically, while chewing on a pencil) yes, yes indeed

[Td1984]

iHorizons wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Here's an idea. How about Bioware hires Joss Whedon to direct it? Or better yet, have him write it!

I agree, The Avengers was awesome but lets not forget the abortion of a film that is Alien Resurrection which was made by Joss Whedon.

Every director has their busts. Still, the LI is not likely to wind up being Miranda or Ash, so that coupled with a sudden "canon Shep" are two reasons I don't want a ME movie situated around Shepard. Anderson or the First Contact War might be okay.

[lil yonce]

Td1984 wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Here's an idea. How about Bioware hires Joss Whedon to direct it? Or better yet, have him write it!

I agree, The Avengers was awesome but lets not forget the abortion of a film that is Alien Resurrection which was made by Joss Whedon.

Every director has their busts. Still, the LI is not likely to wind up being Miranda or Ash, so that coupled with a sudden "canon Shep" are two reasons I don't want a ME movie situated around Shepard. Anderson or the First Contact War might be okay.

Please not Anderson. He's a good mentor but he's too dull to be the protagonist of a full length film. Revelation was a bit of a boring read for me. The FCW would be an intersting concept to run with. It's something we haven't seen in game and because it tells the story of humanity's first venture into occupied space so the movie would a more universally appealing sci-fi flick. It wouldn't focus hardcore on the ME lore we know. I'd love to see Jack Harper's and General Williams' stories play out on the big screen.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 12 mai 2012 - 05:38 .

[SilentK]

ReggarBlane wrote...

It seems that some are unaware that you can take Ashley to Tuchanka: Bomb and get a little extra dialog from her **without** gibbing a save.

The catch with Tuchanka: Bomb is that: You must do Tuchanka: Turian Patrol to get Tuchanka: Bomb. You must do Tuchanka: Turian Patrol before Priority: Tuchanka. You must do Priority: Citadel II to get Ashley. You must do Priority: Tuchanka to get Priority: Citadel II. You can only do two missions (priority or not) after Tuchanka: Turian Patrol. If you do any more, Tuchanka: Bomb is no longer available and fails. However, Tuchanka: Bomb is available after Priority: Citadel if it has not failed.

Do these in this exact order without any additions

• Tuchanka: Turian Platoon
• Priority: Tuchanka
• Priority: Citadel II
• -- Get Ashley to join
• Tuchanka: Bomb and take Ashley

She has a little bit of extra dialog during the completion of Tuchanka: Bomb and on the SR-2 after the mission.

Ohh... If you do this, can you still bring her to the Rachni-mission or does that one go away? This sounds like a good set-up, if I can to the Rachni-mission with then it's a go.

Modifié par SilentK, 12 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[BP93]

SilentK wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

It seems that some are unaware that you can take Ashley to Tuchanka: Bomb and get a little extra dialog from her **without** gibbing a save.

The catch with Tuchanka: Bomb is that: You must do Tuchanka: Turian Patrol to get Tuchanka: Bomb. You must do Tuchanka: Turian Patrol before Priority: Tuchanka. You must do Priority: Citadel II to get Ashley. You must do Priority: Tuchanka to get Priority: Citadel II. You can only do two missions (priority or not) after Tuchanka: Turian Patrol. If you do any more, Tuchanka: Bomb is no longer available and fails. However, Tuchanka: Bomb is available after Priority: Citadel if it has not failed.

Do these in this exact order without any additions

• Tuchanka: Turian Platoon
• Priority: Tuchanka
• Priority: Citadel II
• -- Get Ashley to join
• Tuchanka: Bomb and take Ashley

She has a little bit of extra dialog during the completion of Tuchanka: Bomb and on the SR-2 after the mission.

Ohh... If you do this, can you still bring her to the Rachni-mission or does that one go away? This sounds like a good set-up, if I can to the Rachni-mission with then it's a go.

You can. I don't think the Rachni mission has a timer so you're good.

[DWH1982]

Youth4Ever wrote...

 I'd love to see Jack Harper's and General Williams' stories play out on the big screen.

Speaking of which, was any one else a little dissappointed that the role General Williams played in the founding of Cerberus never came out in-game?

I kept waiting for the big reveal, and the inevitable conversation with Ash where she has to deal with it. Given how she justifiably distrusts Cerberus, and given the importance she places on family, I imagine finding out that her grandfather helped get Cerberus off the ground would have come as a shock.

I kept thinking it would come up during the Cerberus base run, especially after EDI started accessing those data files, and that I'd get to talk with Ash about it before the final run on Earth. Didn't happen, though.

Another missed opportunity to be dealt with via head canon and dialouges.

I'm pretty much at the point where my own head canon has Ash and Shep being forced to reactivate for a new threat and leave their hidey hole on Intai'sei after a year or two, just so they end up dealing with all the loose ends that Bioware left: General Williams and Cerberus, Giana Parasini, Corporal Toombs, etc.

[lil yonce]

DWH1982 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

 I'd love to see Jack Harper's and General Williams' stories play out on the big screen.

Speaking of which, was any one else a little dissappointed that the role General Williams played in the founding of Cerberus never came out in-game?

I kept waiting for the big reveal, and the inevitable conversation with Ash where she has to deal with it. Given how she justifiably distrusts Cerberus, and given the importance she places on family, I imagine finding out that her grandfather helped get Cerberus off the ground would have come as a shock.

I kept thinking it would come up during the Cerberus base run, especially after EDI started accessing those data files, and that I'd get to talk with Ash about it before the final run on Earth. Didn't happen, though.

Another missed opportunity to be dealt with via head canon and dialouges.

I'm pretty much at the point where my own head canon has Ash and Shep being forced to reactivate for a new threat and leave their hidey hole on Intai'sei after a year or two, just so they end up dealing with all the loose ends that Bioware left: General Williams and Cerberus, Giana Parasini, Corporal Toombs, etc.

I don't think her reaction would be that bad actually because Cerberus started out as an Alliance black opps group. The group General Williams started was the equivalent of the Salarian STG and the Asari commandos regulated by Alliance government. He didn't green light a rapid three headed dog on maniac's leash.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

I've always been a fan of Ash, but I must say that I thought her role in ME3 was a little underwhelming... and her upper body was 'disproportionate' in the hospital scene--sorta ruined the moment for me.

Anyway, just showing my support for the awesome Miss Williams and her prowess.

[DWH1982]

That''s a valid point, but I still think they should have done more with it. We don't really know what General Williams was up to after he got pushed into a desk job. Might have used his position to help funnel resources to TIM and turn Cerberus into what it eventually became. Establishing a role for Gen Williams in TIM's rise to power would make for an interesting series of conversations with Ash when she finds out.

For Kaidan, they should have also illuminated Cerberus' role in the destruction of those eezo transports over human worlds. I think it's implied (or outright stated somewhere) that TIM had a hand in that to help create human biotics, isn't it?