50128 réponses à ce sujet

[Aurora313]

Ashley is working on some negiotations post-war between Turians and another party (fill in the blank). She has some... unorthadox methods to deal with it.


Ashley: Lord in heaven, I HATE this crap!
Shepard: Comes with the territory I'm afraid, Ash.
Ashley: And the 'new territory' sucks! No one told me I'd have to negoitiate between two morons who act like children!
Shepard: ... You spent the two years following me around. Watching everything I did, including all the negotiations and somehow you didn't expect to have to do the same thing when you made SpecTRe?
Ashley: You were hunting a intergalactic criminial, and trying to prevent galactic extintion! I'm here babysitting two children!
Shepard: Do you want me to take over?
Ashley: No... no. Thank you, but I was given the mission so I'm gonna carry it out to the best of my ability. You know - They say 'jump', I say 'how high', they say 'kiss a turian', I ask 'which cheek'.
Shepard: I wouldn't stand for that anyhow, Jealous man like me? I'd much rather you'd kiss your husband then some random turian off the street.
Ashley: True, you're much better looking.
Shepard: I think you're missing the hint.
Ashley: I'm not, I'm just making you work for it.
Shepard: You're such a pain in the ass.
Ashley: You love it. And as much as I would love to oblige you, I have to get back to this damned negiotiation. 
Shepard: What about my kiss?
Ashley: Gonna have to wait for tonight then, aren't you?
Shepard: I'm counting the minutes. Good luck Ash. If anything goes wrong -
Ashley: Nothing'll go wrong. Stop trying to be a knight in shining armor for me. I can handle this myself.
Shepard: Sorry. Force of habit.
Ashley: It's fine. Just you being you, but I'm a big girl now. I can handle a few childish turians.

*later*

EDI: Shepard. The Turian Fleet Commander wishes to lodge an offical protest.
Shepard: Really, what about?
EDI: About 'Qestionable conduct' during the negotiation by Lieutenant Commander Williams.
Ashley: *enters the cabin*
EDI: She locked the two parties in single occupancy room.
Shepard: ... *glances at Ashley, who shrugs nonchantantly.*
Ashley: I'd give it a week.
Shepard: You heard the lady, EDI.
EDI: Understood, Shepard.
Shepard: ... Why?
Ashley: Because the best way to deal with children is knock their heads together then dump them in a room until they sort out their differences.
Shepard: And what makes you so sure they can't get out.
Ashley: Got EDI to lock the terminal and the door's got an encryption on it. 
Shepard: *eyebrow raised*
Ashley: Give it a week. They'll be fine. And the look on their faces was pretty funny.
Shepard: This is you 'handling a few childish turians'? *Ashley nods innocently* Works for me. But if they break the door, that's coming out of your paycheck.
Ashley: Deal.

[Dannycni]

^ Very good Aurora, a welcome break in my revision today

[CptData]

Dannycni wrote...

^ Very good Aurora, a welcome break in my revision today

You got revised? ^^

And Aurora is a master. Glad to have her back. Her dialogues and thoughts are tempting ...
Uhh and not to forget our AMW. I love that woman, she's great to talk to
(Why does everything I say about women sound flirty?!)

Modifié par CptData, 14 mai 2012 - 02:17 .

[Rudy Lis]

CptData wrote...

(Why does everything I say about women sound flirty?!)

Because you German love them?

[Dannycni]

@CptData, no i have revision for exams to do and so reading Ashley dialogue is a welcome break.
I haven't seen AMW on here for a while now

[CptData]

Rudy Lis wrote...

CptData wrote...

(Why does everything I say about women sound flirty?!)

Because you German love them?

Maybe I love women?
(Your decision if you see it as YES or NO) *g*

Dannycni wrote...

@CptData, no i have revision for exams to do and so reading Ashley dialogue is a welcome break.
I haven't seen AMW on here for a while now

AMW is still around but incredible busy. I do have one or two PMs a day ... and yeah, miss her 

[DWH1982]

@Data and Aurora - Thanks for posting those dialouges. They're appreciated.

I think Data is trying to make me dump my head canon ending in favor of the "destruction + survive" ending, given how compelling that narrative has become.

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 mai 2012 - 03:46 .

[dahellraider]

great dialogs as always, I just finished a full completion est play-threw of me1 again, Now I have to do 2, which I hate cus there's like well no Ashley

[DWH1982]

Yeah. I enjoy ME2, but I think putting a suicide mission in the middle of a trilogy was a mistake.

Should have been more or less the same crew from ME1, minus Wrex (because he can be dead, and if he's not, he's doing something more important) and plus Miranda, Mordin, and maybe Grunt. The need to keep Liara and the VS alive kept them from doing that, though.

A trilogy shouldn't have an entirely new squad half way through, and keeping the squad smaller would have allowed for better character development. Would have been easy enough to seperate Shepard from his squad for two years, then get back together with them. You could just decide in ME2 then whether to stick with Ash or start a new romance - then the existing romance could just import to ME3 "as is," with no need to start over.

The "working for Cerberus" thing might have been a problem, but they could have just as easily done away with that, as well. Make Miranda Alliance Intelligence or something instead.

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 mai 2012 - 03:59 .

[Johnny_TYS38]

I was going to post this during the weekend, just did not have time to do so. As always, please feel free to point out any mistake. This is what happens two years after the final battle later against the reapers.

Liara: do you think that it will work?
Miranda: Lazarus project has its limitation. The rest is up to Shepard
Liara: I am sure that Shepard will make it, he has overcome all sorts of obstacle in his whole life, and this will be no different
(In her own mind) Miranda: Shepard, I will make sure that you will be able to see her again.
*Ashley enters the room where Shepard is being held in*
Ashley: what is the situation now?
Miranda: the implants has been injected into his body, just have to wait for some response
*Ashley walks towards the capsule that holds Shepard’s body, place her hands on the surface*
Ashley: Shepard, It’s ash, I know you can hear me. Time to wake up; you have been sleeping for two years.
Liara: it is painful to see both of them being torn apart each time they try to be together. Destiny/fate seems to be playing a cruel joke on them.
Miranda: I hope that this will break them free from the hands of Destiny/fate
*Ashley moves nearer to the capsule*
Ashley: do you plan to leave me all alone again, skipper? *while trying to fight her tears*
Personnel 1: his vital signs are showing positive readings.
Personnel 2: there is also an increase in his heart rate and body temperature
Liara: look like he is going to regain conscious any time.
*Shepard slowly opens his eyes*
Ashley: Shepard? I think he is waking up now.
Miranda: ok, I am going to open the capsule.
*Ashley helps Shepard to get up*
Ashley: Shepard? Can you hear me?
Liara: something is not right. Shepard is not responding to her. Wait, maybe he lost his memory?
Miranda: I would not be surprised since he has been staying in the capsule for two years already
Liara: I guess it is a small price to pay.
*Ashley touch Shepard’s face*
Ashley: I miss you Shepard.
Shepard: promise…I fulfil our promise…did I?
*Ashley looked happy and surprised, hugged Shepard while shedding tears of joy*
Ashley: yes, you did, skipper

Modifié par Johnny_TYS38, 14 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[dahellraider]

www.fanfiction.net/s/7968192/15/
^ I need helps ashley fans, this little update pst will explanin in the link. Please participate:(.

[DWH1982]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

I was going to post this during the weekend, just did not have time to do so. As always, please feel free to point out any mistake. This is what happens two years after the final battle later against the reapers.

*dialouge removed*

Very good.

I wonder where they got the credits to rebuild him again?

The Alliance and the Council might have contributed some, but would they want to fully fund a project to bring back one person - unless there's some kind of emergency?

The Shadow Broker might have been able to contribute some credits, as well.

Heh - maybe Miranda, as a surviving relative, was also able to inherit some of her father's fortune, if he didn't have a will. Hope none of the lawyers figured out that she was the one who killed him.

[Dannycni]

^DWH, maybe it was a galactic wide thing, sort of an appeal to bring back the saviour of the galaxy and they got loads of contibutions???

[DWH1982]

I could see that, though I'm not sure how public the Council would want to make Lazerous technology.

Of course, if it was made public, that could also explain the funding. Do you have any idea how interested academia and business would be in that tech? Hell, they'd probably be willing to front a large amount of the credits themselves in return for access to the research and technology, and rights to some of the offshoot applications.

EDIT: Maybe ExoGeni provided some of the funding, and that Ethan Jiang guy from Feros (Shepard talks him down in my canon) is there when Shepard wakes up.

"Shepard, I hope you remember the role that EXOGENI CORPORATION played in bringing you back to life..."

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 mai 2012 - 04:59 .

[lil yonce]

I was thinking last night and I really want to talk about a few of the problems I have with Ashley's romance storyline.

Her story arc is built on one thing they talk about - her family - instead of the multitude of things they don't talk about. Cerberus. Her promotions. Her maturity. It's frustrating. I don't want a Ash's storyline to be built around another character with no lines and a dead character we've never met. This time, her family was not just part of the package. It was the entire package. It was just the wrong way to do it. They don't talk about anything that far eclispes her family.

And if her reconciliation line at the hospital is any indicator of the state of their relationship, it's in the absolute pits. "Did we cut all ties?" Is there anything left? is effectively what she asks. That's how bad things are between them but the writer want to spend all of their time talking about her family's woes? Why? It should've been the one time gap bridger not the refrain of their relationship and in the least, her family shoud've been used to highlight their problems. And some of Shepard's lines at the hospital really blew my mind they were so ridiculous.

"The Reapers aren't taking coffee breaks." WTF. He takes no ownership in their rift when IMO it's clearly a 50/50 split. Same thing after the coup. Same thing during the Citadel date. She's the only one who does any apologizing, like it's all her fault. She's the villain holding onto a silly non issue, she's reduced to the grinch that stole the greatest reunion in human history on Horizon because she's never justified (when clearly she was) and I hate it. The non-romanced version of the Citadel date is actually better than the romanced version because Shepard actually opens his mouth and compliments her resolve and her having the courage of her convictions instead of giving her coy a one word, "Maybe." response. It's not perfect, but it's better.

So what do you guys think?

[Johnny_TYS38]

DWH1982 wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

I was going to post this during the weekend, just did not have time to do so. As always, please feel free to point out any mistake. This is what happens two years after the final battle later against the reapers.

*dialouge removed*

Very good.

I wonder where they got the credits to rebuild him again?

The Alliance and the Council might have contributed some, but would they want to fully fund a project to bring back one person - unless there's some kind of emergency?

The Shadow Broker might have been able to contribute some credits, as well.

Heh - maybe Miranda, as a surviving relative, was also able to inherit some of her father's fortune, if he didn't have a will. Hope none of the lawyers figured out that she was the one who killed him.

 

Oh, I forgot about the credit needed for the project. Don’t mind if i use your suggestion. Miranda inherited her father's dynasty. She contributed money into post war effort such as helping the alliance in rebuilding the earth. She volunteered to start another Lazarus project to bring back Shepard. Liara also volunteered to help Miranda.

Both of them told Ashley about the project. She was against it at first but Miranda assures her that she will be able see Shepard again

Modifié par Johnny_TYS38, 14 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[Hellfire257]

Considering how Horizon blew a lot of people's fuses I think Bioware wanted something to draw them back in. Making Ash take the blame and be all apologetic was probably an easier option than daring to show Shepard having flaws. Sadly, this is what happens when Joe Public is mostly a glass short of a cabinet and cannot and will not understand anything deeper than a puddle.

Having said that though, making Shepard show flaws would probably have ended up as auto-dialogue rather than an option and that would have made more people angry.

[lil yonce]

Hellfire257 wrote...

Considering how Horizon blew a lot of people's fuses I think Bioware wanted something to draw them back in. Making Ash take the blame and be all apologetic was probably an easier option than daring to show Shepard having flaws. Sadly, this is what happens when Joe Public is mostly a glass short of a cabinet and cannot and will not understand anything deeper than a puddle.

Having said that though, making Shepard show flaws would probably have ended up as auto-dialogue rather than an option and that would have made more people angry.

It should've been an ME1-style-left-hand-side-pargon-option to admit guilt to Ash. Would that've been so hard? It would've added a few extra lines on the Citadel date and everything would be squard away and I would be happy.

[Dannycni]

It does seem odd how there is little to no discussion of events in ME2 with your LI, I've heard Kaidan has some lines if you save him instead of Ashley but so much happened in the time you were away from Ash and she had such strong feelings that you'd feel that there could have been an awesome dialogue scene between Shepard and Ash, just more missed opportunities

[CptData]

Youth4Ever wrote...

I was thinking last night and I really want to talk about a few of the problems I have with Ashley's romance storyline.

Her story arc is built on one thing they talk about - her family - instead of the multitude of things they don't talk about. Cerberus. Her promotions. Her maturity. It's frustrating. I don't want a Ash's storyline to be built around another character with no lines and a dead character we've never met. This time, her family was not just part of the package. It was the entire package. It was just the wrong way to do it. They don't talk about anything that far eclispes her family.

Yeah, kinda. Family issues seem to be the primary content for any given character in the series.

Ashley always was a person caring for her family. No issue with that. Also no issue with the amount of family content in ME3. It's just as you said: the lack of other content. Ash is talking a lot about Shepard's connections to Cerberus but never about Cerberus as organization. We don't learn anything new here - stuff that was interesting got either cut or never addressed at all.
Stuff like:
- past to years (military career)
- connection between her grandfather, TIM and Cerberus (!)
YES! There is one, TIM is a direct result of the surrender of Shanxi.
- Ashley's promotions
- her first days after the loss of Skipper
- why she turned into a silent woman (observatory deck issue)
- ...

And if her reconciliation line at the hospital is any indicator of the state of their relationship, it's in the absolute pits. "Did we cut all ties?" Is there anything left? is effectively what she asks. That's how bad things are between them but the writer want to spend all of their time talking about her family's woes? Why? It should've been the one time gap bridger not the refrain of their relationship and in the least, her family shoud've been used to highlight their problems. And some of Shepard's lines at the hospital really blew my mind they were so ridiculous.

I think all hospital scenes are meant to fix the relationship - or to act as build up for a new romance. However, if you start romancing Ash in ME3, you have no idea why ppl like us care for her that much. Ash is incomplete. Period. The build up in ME1 had more lines and felt more natural to me. Mostly because Ashley had a real background. "Religious poem-loving family woman that distrusts anyone else and had to go through several hardships?" Yes Ma'am.

In ME3, Ash does not feel like that anymore. Does she even mention her religion?

"The Reapers aren't taking coffee breaks." WTF. He takes no ownership in their rift when IMO it's clearly a 50/50 split. Same thing after the coup. Same thing during the Citadel date. She's the only one who does any apologizing, like it's all her fault. She's the villain holding onto a silly non issue, she's reduced to the grinch that stole the greatest reunion in human history on Horizon because she's never justified (when clearly she was) and I hate it. The non-romanced version of the Citadel date is actually better than the romanced version because Shepard actually opens his mouth and compliments her resolve and her having the courage of her convictions instead of giving her coy a one word, "Maybe." response. It's not perfect, but it's better.

Well ... lets face it. Shepley-romance is quite decent but not complete. I'd say it feels "not complete" because of lack of non-romantic interactions. I dunno if it's a good idea to resolve all issues in romantic scenes - that should have been done in non-romantic scenes so players who never romanced Ashley still get some nice conversations.

Ah heck with it. I could have done it better. Maybe 'cause I like Ash?

So what do you guys think?

Shepley interaction fails in more than one way?

[lil yonce]

CptData wrote...

Yeah, kinda. Family issues seem to be the primary content for any given character in the series.

Ashley always was a person caring for her family. No issue with that. Also no issue with the amount of family content in ME3. It's just as you said: the lack of other content. Ash is talking a lot about Shepard's connections to Cerberus but never about Cerberus as organization. We don't learn anything new here - stuff that was interesting got either cut or never addressed at all.
Stuff like:
- past to years (military career)
- connection between her grandfather, TIM and Cerberus (!)
YES! There is one, TIM is a direct result of the surrender of Shanxi.
- Ashley's promotions
- her first days after the loss of Skipper
- why she turned into a silent woman (observatory deck issue)
- ...

Ash and Miranda were handled badly. They were multifacted women. Kaidan, Liara, Tali, Thane, and Jack retain a multifactedness to their storyarcs and personality. Kaidan has his biotics division. Liara is the Shadow Broker. Tali is a Quarian Admiral who retakes Rannoch. Thane fights Kai Leng hand-to-hand - assassin -vs-assassin. Jack is a teacher at Grissom. And what do Ash and Miranda have? They have Sara and Oriana.

Minus that what else to they have? It's sad. We needed to see all of those things you listed Data.

I think all hospital scenes are meant to fix the relationship - or to act as build up for a new romance. However, if you start romancing Ash in ME3, you have no idea why ppl like us care for her that much. Ash is incomplete. Period. The build up in ME1 had more lines and felt more natural to me. Mostly because Ashley had a real background. "Religious poem-loving family woman that distrusts anyone else and had to go through several hardships?" Yes Ma'am.

In ME3, Ash does not feel like that anymore. Does she even mention her religion?

But because of the way the coup attempt storyline is constructed you can't fix the relationship, which I'm fine with. I just wanted them to try to fix it. To try to get to the root of their emotional distance and try to fix it like a real couple who wants to work things out does.

They don't talk about Cerberus or the Collector mission. They don't talk about Horizon or Ash's apology email. They don't about Shep's two year hiatus. They don't talk about his death and resurrection. They don't talk about her promotion - why she was promoted - or having attened officer canidate school. They don't talk about how she looks different. How she is different. And they want to be a couple again? What exactly do they know about each others lives these days? Nothing.

And no she doesn't metion her faith in God once. I'm peeved about that too. That was cut from her character altogether.

Well ... lets face it. Shepley-romance is quite decent but not complete. I'd say it feels "not complete" because of lack of non-romantic interactions. I dunno if it's a good idea to resolve all issues in romantic scenes - that should have been done in non-romantic scenes so players who never romanced Ashley still get some nice conversations.

Ah heck with it. I could have done it better. Maybe 'cause I like Ash?

It didn't have to be resolved in romantic context, but it needed to be resolved in some way.

Shepley interaction fails in more than one way?

Fails in every way, more like.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 14 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[dahellraider]

Currently doing a last shepards thoughts tribute like vid for you guys. will have it up soon, we need more vids in here

[Dannycni]

You can only hope some issues will be resolved with the DLC but no way will it go into all the conversations there could and should have been cause it just can't. It would have been awesome to talk with Ash about Cerberus, dying, coming back to life, how lonely Shepard felt going into the suicide mission without Ash by his side, answering her questions on being a Spectre and helping her over come what I would have imagined to be some fears of responsibility on her part. There also wasn't enough Ashley poetry which wasn't good

[dahellraider]

www.youtube.com/watch
^ Dedicated to all Sheply fans

[DWH1982]

I actually liked what interaction we did have. Like much else with ME3, though, it just felt... incomplete.

Regardless of what Bioware says, ME3 felt rushed. The lack of more hub worlds than the Citadel, a main plot and main plot missions that felt like they had been cut down from something that was planned as larger, autodialouge galore, etc.

Ash and Miranda are part of that. It's like they didn't have time to give them the depth they deserved, so they said, "focus on these aspects, just so we can get them wrapped up."

Youth4Ever wrote...

But because of the way the coup attempt storyline is constructed you can't fix the relationship, which I'm fine with. I just wanted them to try to fix it. To try to get to the root of their emotional distance and try to fix it like a real couple who wants to work things out does.

They don't talk about Cerberus or the Collector mission. They don't talk about Horizon or Ash's apology email. They don't about Shep's two year hiatus. They don't talk about his death and resurrection. They don't talk about her promotion - why she was promoted - or having attened officer canidate school. They don't talk about how she looks different. How she is different. And they want to be a couple again? What exactly do they know about each others lives these days? Nothing.

The main game should have been longer, so we have the option of having Ash on the Normandy for a longer period of time. All of those things should have been resolved while she was on the damn ship. When I first noticed she was never leaving the observation deck, I was so sure it was because she was having trouble reintegrating, that she felt like the others were judging her for not being there during ME2, and that those issues - as well as the lingering issues between her and Shepard - would eventually be resolved thorugh dialouge. Yes, some  people might have missed it by not choosing to bring her along. But let's face it - those are the people who hate Ash, who probably didn't talk to her in ME1, and probably wouldn't bother with talking to her again. Assuming they didn't kill her outright during the coup.

Yes, I was so sure that we'd have those conversations with her. Instead, she never had more than a handful of lines. Often, she had nothing to say at all.

EDIT: On the bright side, at least they didn't Jacob Taylor us:

Ash (showing up in one mission in the game): Yeah, I've hooked up with some random guy just introduced in this game. And, oh yeah, I'm pregnant and totally not into you anymore.

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 mai 2012 - 07:20 .