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[Rudy Lis]

Ushanka wrote...

Yes, and he died not in firefight, on a duel.

They weren't fencing, right?

Ushanka wrote...

And many people suppose, that he is a symbol of russian literature. (:

Well, everybody have their own opinion. (:

I prefer Denis Davydov.


Above the top Ash image. Sort of "I'm so glad to see you"

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 17 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[Dannycni]

Top Ash pic ( to get back on topic)

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Modifié par Dannycni, 17 mai 2012 - 09:42 .

[lil yonce]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...
True, group names can be changed though  But yeah, maybe it's best to start throwing around a few ideas out here first.

So umm let's see.
- What happened to Ash during the time Shepard and Ash were split up, one of the more important things about it to me I think. We can tell this in differnt ways of course:
                            -We can let Ashley tell it too Shepard during ME3
                            -Tell it as it's own story/Flashback
-Dialogue that focusses on the more philosphical side of things, they both know that surviving the Reaper invasion isn't that likely..Obviously they still have question about the universe, god, and a general meaning of life. Basically the big dialogue that got cut, but while were at it, we can give our own thoughts on how Ash'd think about it.
-Ashley in relation to her comrades..let them talk, let some conflict and comradery play out between the squadmates.
- A scene in which she properly grieves Kaidan
-We need to discuss things like the resolve of the conflict between Ash & Shepard and if we should give her a more evident purpose story wise.

That's what comes to mind off the top of my head. Your thought? (And those of anyone else interested, it'd be good to know what we all want out of this.)

Yes! We need to know more about her promotions. She was Operations Chief Williams on Horizon and Lieutenant-Commander in ME3. Why was she promoted and by who. I assume Anderson promoted her because he promoted Kaidan, but it's never specified. I like the flashbacks suggestions and explaining to Shepard. She recieves - at least - her third promotion in ME3 when she becomes a Spectre and why or how is never explored.

I would love discussions centered around the things you listed.
Ash banter/dialogues with squadmates. Absolutely.
Ash reflecting on Kaidan's sacrifice is a must.
An on-screen resolution to their Cerberus conflict is also essential.

Maybe conversations with her father or grandfather about her career choice. Maybe conversations with members of the 212 as well. Maybe include diary entries to fill in some of the blanks post SR-1 like Data's.

How should we organize it? Should it be episodic or have a specific timeline?

[lil yonce]

Dannycni wrote...

Top Ash pic ( to get back on topic)

Seriously guys, you can chat over PMs. We're here to talk about Ash.

[DWH1982]

I wonder how Time is still publishing, with the Reapers occupying Earth and everything.

[Dannycni]

I was on topic (maybe you aren't talking to me lol)

Well I'm sure if Time was still going Ashley could find herself on it, I mean she is only the second human Spectre so what woman would be more interesting to talk too?

[DWH1982]

I wonder how she'd deal with the inevitable question about her "relationship" with the first human Spectre.

[Dannycni]

Well that's assuming everyone knows about their relationship, maybe she'd just talk about them being close friends and how he is such an inspirational figure and it's because of his example that led to her becoming a Spectre too. She might just leave out the night before Ilos or storm out of the meeting.

Modifié par Dannycni, 17 mai 2012 - 09:56 .

[lil yonce]

Dannycni wrote...

I was on topic (maybe you aren't talking to me lol)

Well I'm sure if Time was still going Ashley could find herself on it, I mean she is only the second human Spectre so what woman would be more interesting to talk too?

No, that wasn't directed at you. Thanks for helping keep order.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Youth4Ever wrote...


Yes! We need to know more about her promotions. She was Operations Chief Williams on Horizon and Lieutenant-Commander in ME3. Why was she promoted and by who. I assume Anderson promoted her because he promoted Kaidan, but it's never specified. I like the flashbacks suggestions and explaining to Shepard. She recieves - at least - her third promotion in ME3 when she becomes a Spectre and why or how is never explored.

I would love discussions centered around the things you listed.
Ash banter/dialogues with squadmates. Absolutely.
Ash reflecting on Kaidan's sacrifice is a must.
An on-screen resolution to their Cerberus conflict is also essential.

Maybe conversations with her father or grandfather about her career choice. Maybe conversations with members of the 212 as well. Maybe include diary entries to fill in some of the blanks post SR-1 like Data's.

How should we organize it? Should it be episodic or have a specific timeline?

Yeah the promotion needs  to be explained, there was a group that was gonna tell what happened to the VS during ME2 in comicform but that never got off the ground. And her Spectre promtion is a good thing to explore too.

Do you mean flashbacks to way back in the day? I like that idea.

And what DON't we want? Something I don't want to do is to rewrite conversations that are already in the game, so I'd like to focus on new content, fleshing out what we got, but not changing what was written.

How would you propose we'd do it if we make it episodic?

[ADLegend21]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...


Yes! We need to know more about her promotions. She was Operations Chief Williams on Horizon and Lieutenant-Commander in ME3. Why was she promoted and by who. I assume Anderson promoted her because he promoted Kaidan, but it's never specified. I like the flashbacks suggestions and explaining to Shepard. She recieves - at least - her third promotion in ME3 when she becomes a Spectre and why or how is never explored.

I would love discussions centered around the things you listed.
Ash banter/dialogues with squadmates. Absolutely.
Ash reflecting on Kaidan's sacrifice is a must.
An on-screen resolution to their Cerberus conflict is also essential.

Maybe conversations with her father or grandfather about her career choice. Maybe conversations with members of the 212 as well. Maybe include diary entries to fill in some of the blanks post SR-1 like Data's.

How should we organize it? Should it be episodic or have a specific timeline?

Yeah the promotion needs  to be explained, there was a group that was gonna tell what happened to the VS during ME2 in comicform but that never got off the ground. And her Spectre promtion is a good thing to explore too.

Do you mean flashbacks to way back in the day? I like that idea.

And what DON't we want? Something I don't want to do is to rewrite conversations that are already in the game, so I'd like to focus on new content, fleshing out what we got, but not changing what was written.

How would you propose we'd do it if we make it episodic?

Yeah we need ALOT of explanation about Ashley and Kaidan in the two years we've missed them. seriously how is there this much left unsaid and the trilogy is over?!

[shepskisaac]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Yeah we need ALOT of explanation about Ashley and Kaidan in the two years we've missed them. seriously how is there this much left unsaid and the trilogy is over?!

Stop saying such ridiculous things and buy new Tali & Garrus comics. You know so little about Tali & Garrus after all, you need more

[Dannycni]

Saw this on the old extranet and it made me laugh (sorry to interupt the Ash project talk)




Shepard walks down to the shuttle bay as the crew are getting ready for another mission.
Ashley: Skipper!
Shepard: What?
Ashley: You can't be serious?
Shepard: What?
Ashley: Go and change right now!
Shepard: But I like it, the pink brings out the colour in my eyes
Ashley: We are NOT going out wearing the same armour, especially with you in pink!
Shepard: But my grey armour is so boring
Ashley: GO!
Shepard: *sigh* Fine!
Ashley facepalms: Unbelievable

Modifié par Dannycni, 17 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[lil yonce]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...


Yes! We need to know more about her promotions. She was Operations Chief Williams on Horizon and Lieutenant-Commander in ME3. Why was she promoted and by who. I assume Anderson promoted her because he promoted Kaidan, but it's never specified. I like the flashbacks suggestions and explaining to Shepard. She recieves - at least - her third promotion in ME3 when she becomes a Spectre and why or how is never explored.

I would love discussions centered around the things you listed.
Ash banter/dialogues with squadmates. Absolutely.
Ash reflecting on Kaidan's sacrifice is a must.
An on-screen resolution to their Cerberus conflict is also essential.

Maybe conversations with her father or grandfather about her career choice. Maybe conversations with members of the 212 as well. Maybe include diary entries to fill in some of the blanks post SR-1 like Data's.

How should we organize it? Should it be episodic or have a specific timeline?

Yeah the promotion needs  to be explained, there was a group that was gonna tell what happened to the VS during ME2 in comicform but that never got off the ground. And her Spectre promtion is a good thing to explore too.

Do you mean flashbacks to way back in the day? I like that idea.

And what DON't we want? Something I don't want to do is to rewrite conversations that are already in the game, so I'd like to focus on new content, fleshing out what we got, but not changing what was written.

How would you propose we'd do it if we make it episodic?

Hmm. Maybe we could make a comic for that then. We'd need artists though.

Yeah, flashbacks that explore things we haven't seen or know about her past. As far back as someone wants to go and that fits in context of the project.

I guess it depends on the frame we decide on, how this will be organized. Like if most of her thoughts or flashbacks and some of her conversations take place while she's at Huerta then we might be able to make it episodic. If we want to it flow with the rest of the ME3 plot, we could use the regular timeline. Just suggestions. It would depend on what content we use or don't use.

[BP93]

DWH1982 wrote...

I wonder how she'd deal with the inevitable question about her "relationship" with the first human Spectre.

Shhh....I cannot confim nor deny that this may be addressed in my fanfic.

The project seems like a great idea but there's so many different headcanon's out there that it could be quite difficult to narrow it down to one. Just by reading other posters on here, I can tell mine is vastly different in certain areas.

[Rudy Lis]

Suggestion from ex-military: why not use mails to home and from home? Not sure for future, but here diaries are not welcomed. Excerpts from unit "logbook" (combat and duty notes) are more appropriate. Could be also some "background" files, sort of personal dossier on Ash, written by her previous commanders. Mr. Brainheart is good artist, so I guess we can mimic screen with texts and someones hands typing/filling that dossier.
Just 2 coppers.

[Hellfire257]

BP93 wrote...
The project seems like a great idea but there's so many different headcanon's out there that it could be quite difficult to narrow it down to one. Just by reading other posters on here, I can tell mine is vastly different in certain areas.

That's a good point. To a small degree it can be limited by keeping Shepard's identity at the default settings, which would be earthborn, sole survivor and soldier. However anything beyond that could be problematic, especially relationship dynamics and backgrounds.

Working within the confines of what we do know and then bridging the gaps with the most logical choice might work. KISS might be handy here.

[ADLegend21]

IsaacShep wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Yeah we need ALOT of explanation about Ashley and Kaidan in the two years we've missed them. seriously how is there this much left unsaid and the trilogy is over?!

Stop saying such ridiculous things and buy new Tali & Garrus comics. You know so little about Tali & Garrus after all, you need more

@.@ must buy Tali and Garus stuff......@.@

[DWH1982]

Hellfire257 wrote...

BP93 wrote...
The project seems like a great idea but there's so many different headcanon's out there that it could be quite difficult to narrow it down to one. Just by reading other posters on here, I can tell mine is vastly different in certain areas.

That's a good point. To a small degree it can be limited by keeping Shepard's identity at the default settings, which would be earthborn, sole survivor and soldier. However anything beyond that could be problematic, especially relationship dynamics and backgrounds.

Working within the confines of what we do know and then bridging the gaps with the most logical choice might work. KISS might be handy here.

Yeah. This is the part that actually kinda ruins the idea for me.

I have a semi-decent grasp on the dynamics between Ash and Edwin Shepard, but less so on the dynamic between Ash and generic Shepard, especially when I don't even know if he's paragon, renegade, or some combination.

One possible solution might be to, instead of dealing with the gap in Ashley's background through dialouge, to simply leave Shepard out of the story as much as possible. Focus on diary and journal entries, or flashbacks while Ash is in the hospital or on the Normandy. Shepard would only be mentioned in passing, and even then in as little detail as possible: "Shepard just visited," or "Shepard just left the observation deck, we talked about what I did before we met on Earth. It made me think of X, Y, and Z."

One of the things that I liked about Cerberus Daily News, when I was involved there, were the rules in place to avoid stepping over everyone's personal canon. References to Shepard were to be kept at a minimum, and were not to include any reference to gender or background. Preferably he/she wouldn't be referenced at all, unless absolutely necessary. Obviously, I doubt we have to worry about the gender issue, since I assume we can all agree that Shepard is male.

We can all also probaly assume that he A) romanced Ash and  got back together with Ash in ME3. Perhaps we should limit references to Shepard to just those few items. Have him more as the "presence in the background" that's never there when Ash talks to her sister, writes in her journal, talks to Garrus or Tali, etc.

It would make things more challenging. But sometimes a challange can be fun.

ADLegend21 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Yeah we need ALOT of explanation about Ashley and Kaidan in the two years we've missed them. seriously how is there this much left unsaid and the trilogy is over?!

Stop saying such ridiculous things and buy new Tali & Garrus comics. You know so little about Tali & Garrus after all, you need more

@.@ must buy Tali and Garus stuff......@.@

What are you talking about? I want more Liara stuff.

It's all about Liara. Why, I feel like we barely got to know her!

Modifié par DWH1982, 17 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[BP93]

Hellfire257 wrote...

BP93 wrote...
The project seems like a great idea but there's so many different headcanon's out there that it could be quite difficult to narrow it down to one. Just by reading other posters on here, I can tell mine is vastly different in certain areas.

That's a good point. To a small degree it can be limited by keeping Shepard's identity at the default settings, which would be earthborn, sole survivor and soldier. However anything beyond that could be problematic, especially relationship dynamics and backgrounds.

Working within the confines of what we do know and then bridging the gaps with the most logical choice might work. KISS might be handy here.

Not only that but decisions that were made over the course of all three games. Did you take Ash's advice about the rachni, Council..etc.

I do like DWH's idea though. The basis of it being Ashley centered instead of Shepley makes it considerably easier, but also requires more imagination.

[DWH1982]

BP93 wrote...

Hellfire257 wrote...

BP93 wrote...
The project seems like a great idea but there's so many different headcanon's out there that it could be quite difficult to narrow it down to one. Just by reading other posters on here, I can tell mine is vastly different in certain areas.

That's a good point. To a small degree it can be limited by keeping Shepard's identity at the default settings, which would be earthborn, sole survivor and soldier. However anything beyond that could be problematic, especially relationship dynamics and backgrounds.

Working within the confines of what we do know and then bridging the gaps with the most logical choice might work. KISS might be handy here.

Not only that but decisions that were made over the course of all three games. Did you take Ash's advice about the rachni, Council..etc.

I do like DWH's idea though. The basis of it being Ashley centered instead of Shepley makes it considerably easier, but also requires more imagination.

And in that regard, we would avoid most major in game decisions, as well. As cool as it would be to have the project address Ash's views on Shepard and the Rachni, Shepard and the genophage, etc, focusing on Sheply and Ash's background would make the story more accessible to a wider range of people.

Major decisions could be referenced, but in a way where Shepard's actions aren't made clear. For example, a conversation might just reference "the whole mess with the Rachni," but without ever being more specific. Or, a diary entry might end with, "Now, on to what happened with the Rachni..." but cut out before we hear any more.

It's a trade off. Deciding on a larger range of canon would allow for us to explore things more, but it would also make the project less acceptable to those for whom it violates their personal canon. It would also run extra risk in that we would have to define Ash's views on some subjects (like the genophage) where maybe there could be genuine disagreement over what view she might have

Modifié par DWH1982, 18 mai 2012 - 01:50 .

[BP93]

I'm not saying to disregard Shepard completely. However I think it being centralized on Ashley and her character itself would provide more insight and make up for the content we didn't get (ex. her opinions on the mission). That's something I think could be easily done, it'd just require more creative thought.

I've got a good basis for my own headcanon, and I don't necessarily want to have it shred to pieces either. I think by focusing it on Ashley more, we could still have room to enable all of our own headcanons.

[DWH1982]

BP93 wrote...

I'm not saying to disregard Shepard completely. However I think it being centralized on Ashley and her character itself would provide more insight and make up for the content we didn't get (ex. her opinions on the mission). That's something I think could be easily done, it'd just require more creative thought.

I've got a good basis for my own headcanon, and I don't necessarily want to have it shred to pieces either. I think by focusing it on Ashley more, we could still have room to enable all of our own headcanons.

Indeed, that's the view I hold as well. Some reference to Shepard might be necessary - but best to avoid backgrounds, major decisions, those things.

I think the list of things we could agree on, for purposes of the project would include:

1. Ash and Shepard were in a romance in ME1

2. Shepard came into ME3 interested in reparing their relationship (This would make sense if Sheply is part of the story)

3. Shepard reassured Ash on Mars with the paragon convo options, visited Ash in the hospital all three times, brought her the "best option" poetry book, and generally used the paragon conversation options (consistent with wanting to rebuild the relationship - also gives us some leeway for journal entries or convos with others describing the hospital visits)

I would also add one more point, though this one can be debated

4. Shepard stayed loyal to Ash in ME2. Again, I feel this would be consistent with the Sheply focus, and would add some leeway to what Ash can discuss in her journals and with others ("Garrus says he walked in on Shepard staring at my picture before the suicide mission," or "Shepard visited today, said he never moved on...")

All of these would violate the "don't tramp on personal canon" objective somewhat, but I feel they'd be consistent with the tone we're trying to strike with the project. Number 4 might be a little more difficult to justify, since I suppose that some want to view their Shepard as "coming home" after straying, but I feel adding the loyalty angle makes the story more romantic.

Thoughts?

(These points were originally in an edit of my last post, but since there has been a response, I decided a new post was justified)

[survivor_686]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...
True, group names can be changed though  But yeah, maybe it's best to start throwing around a few ideas out here first.

So umm let's see.
- What happened to Ash during the time Shepard and Ash were split up, one of the more important things about it to me I think. We can tell this in differnt ways of course:
                            -We can let Ashley tell it too Shepard during ME3
                            -Tell it as it's own story/Flashback
-Dialogue that focusses on the more philosphical side of things, they both know that surviving the Reaper invasion isn't that likely..Obviously they still have question about the universe, god, and a general meaning of life. Basically the big dialogue that got cut, but while were at it, we can give our own thoughts on how Ash'd think about it.
-Ashley in relation to her comrades..let them talk, let some conflict and comradery play out between the squadmates.
- A scene in which she properly grieves Kaidan
-We need to discuss things like the resolve of the conflict between Ash & Shepard and if we should give her a more evident purpose story wise.

That's what comes to mind off the top of my head. Your thought? (And those of anyone else interested, it'd be good to know what we all want out of this.)

Yes! We need to know more about her promotions. She was Operations Chief Williams on Horizon and Lieutenant-Commander in ME3. Why was she promoted and by who. I assume Anderson promoted her because he promoted Kaidan, but it's never specified. I like the flashbacks suggestions and explaining to Shepard. She recieves - at least - her third promotion in ME3 when she becomes a Spectre and why or how is never explored.

I would love discussions centered around the things you listed.
Ash banter/dialogues with squadmates. Absolutely.
Ash reflecting on Kaidan's sacrifice is a must.
An on-screen resolution to their Cerberus conflict is also essential.

Maybe conversations with her father or grandfather about her career choice. Maybe conversations with members of the 212 as well. Maybe include diary entries to fill in some of the blanks post SR-1 like Data's.

How should we organize it? Should it be episodic or have a specific timeline?

I dunno if this could be helpful...but if you refuse her request to join the Normandy she later takes on "role of commanding officer overseeing several specialized quick-response teams performing covert infantry operations."

I would assume that even Anderson or Hacket wouldn't have the pull to put her into such a position....at least not without her having some prior experience in covert operations.

Given the nature of her Spectre Status, her appearance on Virmire and boost in ranks, is it likely that Ashley has been accepted into Alliance Special forces? For the most part Spectres seem to be selected from specialized individuals (recruits come from the STG, Asari commandoes for the most part)

Does the S designation refer to "Scout Snipers", given her prior expeirence as a platoon guide and her specialization with assault rifles and sniper rifles?

[survivor_686]

BP93 wrote...

I'm not saying to disregard Shepard completely. However I think it being centralized on Ashley and her character itself would provide more insight and make up for the content we didn't get (ex. her opinions on the mission). That's something I think could be easily done, it'd just require more creative thought.

I've got a good basis for my own headcanon, and I don't necessarily want to have it shred to pieces either. I think by focusing it on Ashley more, we could still have room to enable all of our own headcanons.

I have to admit Made Nightwing's Tears of the Sun arc kinda does this well. It focuses on Ashley and allows us to imagine what our Shepard's reaction would be.