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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!


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DWH1982

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I still wonder how Ash would have reacted to finding out that her father played a role in Cerberus' founding. Though, as others pointed out, it's actually not as bad as it seems - when he was with them, they were more or less part of the Shanxi resistance.

In one of the ME1 side missions, though - I think it was with Cerberus experiments on the rachni - I remember one of the Cerberus logs saying to "tell the General that this isn't going to work out," or something along those lines. Makes me wonder if perhaps General Williams faked his death so he could involve himself with Cerberus.

I also had an idea that, perhaps, originally, General Williams was going to be in the Illusive Man's role. Maybe you go through all of ME2 without finding out, then discover his background in ME3...

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DWH1982 wrote...

I still wonder how Ash would have reacted to finding out that her father played a role in Cerberus' founding. Though, as others pointed out, it's actually not as bad as it seems - when he was with them, they were more or less part of the Shanxi resistance.

In one of the ME1 side missions, though - I think it was with Cerberus experiments on the rachni - I remember one of the Cerberus logs saying to "tell the General that this isn't going to work out," or something along those lines. Makes me wonder if perhaps General Williams faked his death so he could involve himself with Cerberus.

I also had an idea that, perhaps, originally, General Williams was going to be in the Illusive Man's role. Maybe you go through all of ME2 without finding out, then discover his background in ME3...

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O-o-o-o... It's pretty dark story about all this connection with Cerberus.

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You just gave me an idea, DWH: if Ashley's dad had some connections to Cerberus, someone could have killed him (intoxination anyone).

However, you mixed stuff up. Ashley's father was just a normal soldier. Her grandfather was General Williams - and he knew TIM on a first name basis afaik.

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Bah, yeah, I meant to say grandfather there.

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DWH1982 wrote...

1. Ash is an Alliance soldier, who was sent to Horizon as part of a mission. Even if she wanted to go with Shepard, a soldier does not abandon her duty and go AWOL just because something comes along that she wants to do more. If she had, it would have been terribly out of character for her. Especially since she's working for Anderson, and likely involved in projects attempting to find evidence of the Reapers.


I never said anything on her lack of wish to go with us. Have no problems with that, actually.

But what bothers me here is how VS (in my case Kaidan, but I saw YT video on Ash, same stuff) is played here. For example, first thing my Shepard did after Normandy was given to him, was visit to Citadel. Not for Kasumi, for Anderson. And he asked Anderson about Kaidan (I guess there is chance to do that for Ash, not sure if there any difference for romanced/non-romanced Ash). Not sure I can use Kaidan's reaction on Horizon as reference point, since I haven't played as femShep, but for test playtrhough I saw no difference whether you first went to saw Anderson or not, so there is no chance to tell, whether Anderson told VS about Shepard's visit and interest in him or didn't. So I think there is no difference for Ash as well.

Also, as far as I understand, there is mail Shepard got from VS LI after Horizon, so they know his adress, and, probably, Shepard knows theirs, but there is no chance to send mail to anyone, only receive. Yeah, I know "secret squirrel mission" and all that, but still, there could/should be way to contact them somehow and inform them about Shepard's condition, since it's obviously open secret.


DWH1982 wrote...

2. Ash has no evidence whatsoever of the things you can say Cerberus did for you, except for your word - the word of a man now working for a terrorist organization that attacks the Alliance and executed Admiral Kohoku in cold blood. Again, it would be out of character for her not to question you. Frankly, I'm dismayed that Shepard isn't questioned by more people, because, honestly, if he came to me with his story, I'd damn well be reluctant to trust him too.


Maybe they have reasons to believe him, no?
First mail in box is from Anderson. Now someone tell me how the hell he knows that, if Shepard awoke just recently and visited only Freedom's progress? Who tipped him off, Cerberus, Joker/Chakwas or Quarians traffic?
Liara? Well, she handled Shepard's body to Cerberus, but did she knew state of project? Shadow Broker? What for? Speaking of which. Shadow broker worked against Reapers, but wanted to handle Shepard's body to the Collectors? Ehm...

Or Anderson is aware of Shepard's condition because Cerberus=Alliance, regardless of "bad media"? And maybe VS was sent Horizon on purpose? If you didn't choose Anderson - maybe by someone else?

Since from old team there is only Garrus who could be recruited prior to Horizon, is he reliable as "source of trust" or not? He is ex-cop with apprently long service record and good hunch. Not enough? 
Joker and Chakwas out of question - they are not ground team.


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3. The mission on Mars where Ash continues to question Shepard about Cerberus takes place after Shepard has been detained by the Alliance - for destroying an entire star system, including civilian colonists (if you play Arrival, anyway). It's unlikely Ash has any kind of perspective on why destroying that system was necessary. Just that it happened, and it happened some time after she found out he was working with Cerberus. That must be unsettling at best, especially if your Shepard (like mine) is a paragon who tries to avoid civlian casualties wherever possible.


Not long before Mars, Ash saw and heard personally dialogue between Anderson and Shepard, isn't she? Of course, throwing dogtags back isn't good sign, but there is goddamn Admiral, who give person near you direct order, then there is Hackett, who gives another order. And that person you questionning, is apparently follows those orders. If you soldier and not just random soldier, but pose yourself as "alliance first" type and claims you know where your loyalty is and and you decide to follow those admirals' orders, then please, shut up and follow them, when your maybe not so direct superior (where's Ash is serving at ME3 beginning, anyway?), but still superior gave order, it is better to follow. You have concerns - keep them private. Or voice/write them down, when offered or when there is free time. Vega does it right - just follows, even if he disagrees and haven't been with Shepard from very beginning (yet, apparently, knows him, more or less).

Shepard's "house arrest" is very vague, at best, it is not clear how and why he got there, especially if you didn't played Arrival - so there was no talk with Hackett and last time you saw Shepard - it could be anywhere, with his own ship, maybe even being pro-Cerberus type, but then "boom" - he's is jail. WTF?Posted Image Not sure I can find proper analogy from outside of ME. Not sure I want to find it, since it's absurd enough without analogies.

Moreover, on Geth Dreadnought, Kaidan says he read the files on Geth, so, apparently, Alliance have those "files". Maybe they actually had some info on Arrival's events (should you played it), no? Shepard handled some datapad to Hackett, right? Or it was "top secret"?

And speaking of paragon - if you trust your commander, know him and his decisions, maybe there was a reason to wipe whole system? Real reason, not just "make da loudest boom".


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For all of those reasons, I like the fact that Ash doesn't just accept our role with Cerberus and take our word that things are "A Okay." It means she's actually staying true to who she is, and showing a degree of realisim in how she thinks.


Aha. But "she's in the Army now". There are superiors, subordination and chain of command. And those above you for any reason trust person you mistrust...

Plus, if she mistrust Shepard - why not shut up about that and just observe silently if you suspect "they all indoctrinated" (I mean "they all in same harness" - Cerberus, Shepard and Admirals)? Be suspicios, don't jump from side to side. If I had plan to place "infiltrator" (not class) Shepard back to Alliance, I'd gladly sacrifice hundred or so men (and even more) just to ensure that Shepard is trusted by everyone that he is no longer with me (*doffs Illusive Man mask*). Because end justify means and there is no morale in war (in politics, actually, but I changed quote), only expediency.

Plus, speaking of mistrust, why Shepard as stubborn and short-fuse Aries too cannot have some mistrust in Ashley? What the hell you, lady, have done, so in six month you rise in ranks from OpChief to Lieutenant-Commander? Kaidan is fine, he jumped just one rank, but given his post that's fine. Ashley? No.

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DWH1982 wrote...

Also, I know someone speculated on how Ash would handle someone outside the squad talking down about Liara, even if Ash doesn't totally care for Liara herself (the whole, "she still part of the squad," thing). So that's kind of another one I'd like to see. Maybe Liara is being harrassed by a drunken marine on the Citadel, or that Westerlund News reporter.


This idea I like very much.  Make Ash seem a little bigger, make Liara feel a little humbler, and finally bury the hatchet that was never resolved from ME1.

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Quiet thread is quiet.

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Sorry for not posting so much today......

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Well, you know, I like Ash's hairstyle, but it's not for battle. Maybe only for off duty time.

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And still I love this woman. *sigh*

Love ... is it love?
Loving someone like her?
She's a soldier, proud and strong,
a powerful ally on the field.
I admire her strength, her faith,
her sense for beauty,
of words, spoken and written.
I admire Ashley Williams.
And I love her.

- Commander Shepard, scrapped text.

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Exams over, on the way home, Mass Effect and Ashley Williams await!

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Dannycni wrote...

Exams over, on the way home, Mass Effect and Ashley Williams await!


+1

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Dannycni wrote...

Exams over, on the way home, Mass Effect and Ashley Williams await!


oh great, now we can have so much ash times for you lol

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More Ash time is always good. Always.

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Good to be back in the ash thread A bet. been busy. still working on some stuff. and cant wait to see the ash project go somewhere.

also everyone check this new traielr for this fan film out www.youtube.com/watch

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DWH1982 wrote...

More Ash time is always good. Always.

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Who can't love her?

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ExorioN PL wrote...

Who can't love her?


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Dannycni wrote...

Exams over, on the way home, Mass Effect and Ashley Williams await!


College or high school? I remember my high school ones during senior year. I just wanted them done and to get the hell out of there. Let's just say Christmas came early that year in terms of my answers. :lol:

And besides, with Ash on your mind you can't focus anyway....

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ExorioN PL wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

More Ash time is always good. Always.

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Who can't love her?


People with different tastes?

Just kidding. This woman is ... :wub::wub::wub:

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Watching the rain is fun, knowing winter is setting in, just wish the power wasn't out (phone) sucks completely. Trying to think of things to do. Can't play mass effect Ike I originally planned, was about to do Virmire. Sucks... Poor Kaidan, he still hasn't survived a play through, Ashley wins always on that one.

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SJNKD wrote...

Watching the rain is fun, knowing winter is setting in, just wish the power wasn't out (phone) sucks completely. Trying to think of things to do. Can't play mass effect Ike I originally planned, was about to do Virmire. Sucks... Poor Kaidan, he still hasn't survived a play through, Ashley wins always on that one.


We're having thunder storms in Washington D.C. right now.

I wonder if Ash likes the rain...?

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BP93 wrote...

Dannycni wrote...

Exams over, on the way home, Mass Effect and Ashley Williams await!


College or high school? I remember my high school ones during senior year. I just wanted them done and to get the hell out of there. Let's just say Christmas came early that year in terms of my answers. :lol:

And besides, with Ash on your mind you can't focus anyway....


College/Uni. I have actually had Mass Effect as a motivation to keep going cause I badly want to play my renegade run through of ME3, I've still actually only played it once. But I'll need to make sure to do missions in the correct order for maximum Ash Effect! (See what I did there)

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I always imagined Edwin Shepard going to college. Oddly, I always figured him a product of an ROTC program, rather than the Alliance military academy.

Unfortunately, I recently sat down, did the math, and realized the timeline doesn't match up. Edwin Shepard is a war hero. The Skyllian Blitz was in 2176. Which means that Shepard would have been 19 at the time, and very much deployed in the field.

Still, a college background has been part of Edwin's backstory for so long that I have trouble ditching it. Not sure how the heck it works out with the timeline, but it's there. Since things are slow, I thought I'd do a relevant dialouge.


Shepard: (walks into Captain’s cabin) Hey. What are you up to?

Ash: Just looking through this box of personal items you took out of storage.

Shepard: Yeah, I’m surprised any of that stuff survived the war. So… Find anything interesting?

Ash: Your stuff from college. You know, with everything else that was going on in your life, I’m surprised you even found the time.

Shepard: I always promised my parents. So it was important to me. I knew that, between the Alliance and the Mindoir Scholarship, I could line up the money. And some of the classes were remote learning.

Ash: These grades are… insane.

Shepard: Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

Ash: (laughs) Only an “A-” in public speaking? Maybe you should get in touch with your professor. Let him know that you stopped a 300 year old war with a speech. Maybe he’d give you the A+.

Shepard: Doubt it. Dr. Knight didn’t believe in perfect grades. “Always room for improvement,” he said.

Ash:
Uh huh. Wait a minute… What’s up with this “C” in creative writing?

Shepard: Well… That was an on campus class. And it was at 7:30 in the morning. No one is creative at 7:30 in the morning.

Ash: That’s not much of an excuse, Skipper. Military days start earlier than that.

Shepard: Part of it might have been the professor. She was… distracting. For young men, anyway.

Ash: Yeah. That… makes more sense.

Shepard:
Hey, I was a diligent student. But I wasn’t dead.

Ash: Wait a minute. Shepard… “Feminist Theory?” And an A+, no less? The great, manly Commander Shepard, “savior of Elysium, hero of the Citadel, slayer of Reapers”…  In a “Feminist Theory “ class?

Shepard: That was an interesting class. Taught by one of the better professors.

Ash: So, tell me, Skipper. What useful lessons for defeating the Reapers did you pick up in Feminist Theory?

Shepard: (walks over, kisses Ash) Always listen to the women on your team. They have good ideas.

Ash: … Okay. I’ll give you that one.

Shepard: You’d better.

Ash: Mm hm. So… Tell me more about this “Creative Writing” Professor….

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^Yea someone posted!

I always viewed Shepard as someone who would be a bit of a nerd. I always thought he'd have been a bit of a teachers pet and exciled at most subjects which would have annoyed some of his classmates. Whereas Ash I would have viewed as someone who did well in some things but was mostly an average student who cared more for sports etc.