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[Rudy Lis]

Bandages are harder to draw, plus they should be 3D and obstruct vew of her "gorgeous hair"©™®.

But "more seriously", her helmet may not ba a tight-fit. That could cause her head hanging inside, like, well, nut in shell. Maybe there was small gap, but sufficient.
Plus, I'm not sure what makes those suits "vacuum-proof" - hard-shell or soft-shell. In last case, Eva could brake Ash's helmet's hard-shell, but left inner soft sealed thin layer intact, so no decompression, only blunt traumas.

[DWH1982]

I don't know. I do think what was there was okay, but I also feel like maybe her new writer wasn't all that comfortable with her.

I will say, I'm glad she didn't start out trusting Shepard. People complain about her questioning him, but I was glad to have someone who acts "real" instead of just deferring to Shepard all the time. And it wouldn't be like Ash to just trust someone, even Shepard, without being convinced first.

It's actually a reason Edwin Shepard likes her so much.

EDIT: Near top of the page Ash!

Modifié par DWH1982, 27 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[Dannycni]

More Ash dialogue would obviously be very nice and yea ME3 is less of game because of it but same could be said for dialogue with most characters.
The auto-dialogue annoys me something serious, STOP TELLING ME WHAT I WANT TO SAY!

[MegaBadExample]

DWH1982 wrote...

I don't know. I do think what was there was okay, but I also feel like maybe her new writer wasn't all that comfortable with her.

I will say, I'm glad she didn't start out trusting Shepard. People complain about her questioning him, but I was glad to have someone who acts "real" instead of just deferring to Shepard all the time. And it wouldn't be like Ash to just trust someone, even Shepard, without being convinced first.

It's actually a reason Edwin Shepard likes her so much.

I'm also glad, she didn't. Otherwise it would've made Horizon completely pointless.

Ashley wants to believe Shepard again so badly, but she just can't, her head is saying no. She's been left in the dark about so much, I wouldn't respect her if she just hopped on the bangwagon like *cough* and *cough*

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 27 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[Rudy Lis]

You have something against Garrus and Tali?

[LoneStarJedi]

Ya, Ash was Ash, for the most part. We just didn't get enough Ash. Could have used more Mars!Ash. As was said, there's just nothing special about the VS compared to the other squadmates. Garrus, Liara, and Tali all have missions to save their homeworld, two of them have been given positions of power among their people and the other is the kriffing Shadow Broker. Even EDI gets some existential plot stuff dealing with the nature of AI and synthetic life. Sure, Ash gets made a Spectre, but likely only because of Udina. I dunno, maybe they count her trust issues with Shepard as her story arc?

But ya, part of the problem as I see it is that every other major character on the squad is the representative of their species. That gives those characters weight and story potential. The VS doesn't fill that role, Shepard does.

ETA bolded part.

Modifié par LoneStarJedi, 27 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[MegaBadExample]

Rudy Lis wrote...

You have something against Garrus and Tali?

I like them just fine.  Garrus is a bro.

I just think Bioware should've made them question Shepard a bit more. I'm sure they probably found out the details from Miranda at some point (if Tali isn't too scared of her). But then again, it seems like even Shepard doesn't know the details of it all. So who knows?

Although, I do admit that Ash was an emotional wreck on Horizon who wouldn't hear Shepard out. But after two years, Shepard's lines were horrible, and they deserved the reaction they got.

[Rudy Lis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Garrus is a bro.

Ultimate go-to-war buddy. Avatar of "Six cover".
First character after ED-E (not to be confused with EDI) who made me cry.

MegaBadExample wrote...

I just think Bioware should've made them question Shepard a bit more.

I don't think so. Trust in such matters is extremely important thing. Plus, like I said, Garrus is experienced cop, with good hunch and, I guess, pretty good service time under his belt, so he'll figure you faster than you yourself.

MegaBadExample wrote...

Although, I do admit that Ash was an emotional wreck on Horizon who wouldn't hear Shepard out. But after two years, Shepard's lines were horrible, and they deserved the reaction they got.

Gah, ME3 writings are horrible. Damn it - Udina has better writing than Shepard? Wadafaq? Plus autodialogue. Too much autodialogue. Even when it's not autodialogue.

[BP93]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

You have something against Garrus and Tali?

I like them just fine.  Garrus is a bro.

I just think Bioware should've made them question Shepard a bit more. I'm sure they probably found out the details from Miranda at some point (if Tali isn't too scared of her). But then again, it seems like even Shepard doesn't know the details of it all. So who knows?

Although, I do admit that Ash was an emotional wreck on Horizon who wouldn't hear Shepard out. But after two years, Shepard's lines were horrible, and they deserved the reaction they got.

"It's good to see you"

"It's been too long Ash"

*facepalm*

[DWH1982]

With Horizon, I basically tell myself that Edwin Shepard knows on some level how turning up alive and with Cerbeurs must look to Ash, and he's honeslty not sure what to say. Plus, he was worried about her in the first place, and combined with the emotions that get stirred up by seeing her - he's just not his usual persuasive self.

But, yes, Shepard's responses are truely horrible.

[CptData]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Okay, I think I was a little hard on BioWare last night. They did a good job keeping Ash well… like the old Ash. They didn't want to tinker around with her character too much, and they didn't really need to. In ME1, her character was well developed and we knew who she was… a realist, traditionalist, fierce, loyal, a family-first type of girl. But I just wished she talked more, moved around a little. She needed that cut content rather badly. Even though, her talks about family are so boring when you replay… I'm glad we got that insight in to her life, anyway.

She's still the same practical woman as before, but we needed those dialogues that were in the script, and we needed to know what she'd been doing with the Alliance these passed few years. Seriously, Horizon has only got to be one of her many missions during that time. She is bound to have some crazy stories to tell, like James. I can't help but wonder what could've been if Bioware got another year at making this game.

Well, fact is, Ashley in ME3 is only still the same Ashley for most of us who had her in ME1 AND use heavy headcanon to fill the gaps. As I said, there are a lot of cuts and some background I'd loved to know - all not in the game.

I think Ash is okay, but we definitely need more. For new guys playing the series, Ash is just a quite unpleasant fella ... 

[BP93]

DWH1982 wrote...

With Horizon, I basically tell myself that Edwin Shepard knows on some level how turning up alive and with Cerbeurs must look to Ash, and he's honeslty not sure what to say. Plus, he was worried about her in the first place, and combined with the emotions that get stirred up by seeing her - he's just not his usual persuasive self.

But, yes, Shepard's responses are truely horrible.

I found that if you just "go neutral" during the conversation that Ash isn't as pissed off. But if you just basically blurt out "CERBERUS **** YEAH" on the first or second option then it's completely terrible.

[DWH1982]

Yeah, unless you're role playing a Shepard who's pro-Cerberus, the neutral options are the way to go.

They totally dropped the ball on that one. At least with other conversations, I can tell people that I'm working "with" Cerberus, not "for" them. In that conversation, you select one wrong option and suddenly your Shepard who has been wary of Cerberus for the entire game seems to think that they're great.

[BP93]

A "Pro-Cerberus" Shepard is fun to play, but it's also pretty damaging. Off of the top of my head:

-Taking Veetor with you instead of letting him go with Tali
-Giving Legion to Cerberus for da cash.
-Letting Archer keep his brother and continue the experiment
-Saving the base

I can imagine Ash reading a dossier that lists your actions (^) while with Cerberus. Shepard meet airlock. lol

[Rudy Lis]

BP93 wrote...

I found that if you just "go neutral" during the conversation that Ash isn't as pissed off. But if you just basically blurt out "CERBERUS **** YEAH" on the first or second option then it's completely terrible.

Heh, now I wonder which variant I saw on YT.

But what really rubs me wrong way, is VS reaction, should you NOT visit them in Hospital. Hey, lay off your pitchforks, let me finish first! WHY on earth we cannot send them mail? Sorry, there is war around there and simply put, there are no reasons to visit Citadel between missions (yeah, for Miranda as well). I think VS is grown up to understand that, SHOULD we had option to send mail them, or call them. Not as good as visit, yeah, but still. Other options - send runner, there is pretty large bunch of Alliance personnel hanging in there, so I guess Shepard could ask Hackett to spare someone and send to VS. Or ask Bailey, I don't know. or Thane. I know, cruel thing to do, but should time matters...
Of course, I cannot make any calculations because time means nothing in ME and I do not remember any concrete numbers on distance/time, but something tells me additional time you spent to derail to Citadel, would be quite significant. Even if totally remove "Szarik Shepard, Fetch!" types of quests and dismiss N7 missions as bad dream.

P.S.  "CERBERUS **** YEAH"
I guess I know what I want to slap on my next T-shirt.

[DWH1982]

I assume the Virmire Survivor's stay in the hospital is anywhere from 1-3 months. Since the Normandy has to dock there anyway to do other things during that time, it makes some sense that the VS would be upset at Shepard not visiting when he's in the neighborhood.

I know it doesn't seem that long, but I figure the time frame from our perspective is condensed for game purposes. Given that Ash has to wake up from what appears to be a coma(?) and then undergo physical therapy, I have to assume that the first three priority missions take place over a more extended period than it might seem. I guess it makes sense if you consider the time it takes to travel between systems and mass relays, and the time spent on side missions and scouting (the scan and grab quests), not to mention the time it takes to set up a war summit, put the final touches on the genophage cure, etc.

[Rudy Lis]

BP93 wrote...

A "Pro-Cerberus" Shepard is fun to play, but it's also pretty damaging. Off of the top of my head:

I think "pro-Cerberus" isn't actually "pro-Cerberus", because we weren't given significant amount of options to do so.
But lets see.

BP93 wrote...

-Taking Veetor with you instead of letting him go with Tali
-Giving Legion to Cerberus for da cash.
-Letting Archer keep his brother and continue the experiment
-Saving the base

Veetor - not sure Cerberus will be able to extract from him anything extra (and IIRC they didn't). Giving him to Tali could slightly improve relations and from my point of view, TIM noting that.
Legion could be given for cash, but I guess even TIM would agree to keeping Legion in team - he still have access to Legion and can observe his actions in "friendly" environment.
Archer is biggest problem, like I said - TIM is too calculating to not seeing all opportunities David provides, so I'd kick his brother in bollocks, give David "better quarters" and use his mind properly.
See no issues with keeping base, really.

BP93 wrote...

I can imagine Ash reading a dossier that lists your actions (^) while with Cerberus. Shepard meet airlock. lol

Heh, we'll see who meets airlock first.

[BP93]

I was just sad I didn't get to interrogate Veetor myself. Was ready to pull some Jack Bauer on him. "We need that information damn it! Tell me what you know!" lol

[DWH1982]

If only I could take my final push squad with me to the Citadel.

Ash: Shepard... I don't trust this thing. Didn't it just say that it controls the Reapers? Isn't that a big red flag?
Javik: Why do you accept what this "boy" has to say? These are not options at all. Throw them all out the airlock.

BP93 wrote...

I was just sad I didn't get to interrogate Veetor myself. Was ready to pull some Jack Bauer on him. "We need that information damn it! Tell me what you know!" lol

Renegade Shep : Perhaps infection and a massive fever will get you talking. Guess I finally get to see what you "quarians" look like under that mask.

Modifié par DWH1982, 27 mai 2012 - 08:37 .

[Rudy Lis]

DWH1982 wrote...

I assume the Virmire Survivor's stay in the hospital is anywhere from 1-3 months. Since the Normandy has to dock there anyway to do other things during that time, it makes some sense that the VS would be upset at Shepard not visiting when he's in the neighborhood.

Assumption on recuperating time is safe, I guess, but why Normandy needs to dock on Citadel? Provision, apparently in ample supply, fuel could be received in many fuel depot, scattered throughout systems. Nothing directly requests your presense on Citadel. Even transfering some critical materials could be relayed to some passing Alliance or Council ships - Normandy has better things to do other than serve as EMS van.
Also, if that period is correct (several months, and we travel most of it), I see zero reasons why not write mail or call. Really. Even if few weeks - I guess we can "advance" modern times a bit, since there is future, medigel and other scintific mumbo-jumbo.

BP93 wrote...

I was just sad I didn't get to interrogate Veetor myself. Was ready to pull some Jack Bauer on him. "We need that information damn it! Tell me what you know!" lol

You doing Cerberus wrong.
We fight for advancing humanity, not to kill or scare all aliens.

[BP93]

DWH1982 wrote...

If only I could take my final push squad with me to the Citadel.

Ash: Shepard... I don't trust this thing. Didn't it just say that it controls the Reapers? Isn't that a big red flag?
Javik: Why do you accept what this "boy" has to say? These are not options at all. Throw them all out the airlock.

BP93 wrote...

I was just sad I didn't get to interrogate Veetor myself. Was ready to pull some Jack Bauer on him. "We need that information damn it! Tell me what you know!" lol

Renegade Shep : Perhaps infection and a massive fever will get you talking. Guess I finally get to see what you "quarians" look like under that mask.

LOL reminds me exactly of this: www.youtube.com/watch

And the top comment on that video is perfect.

Jacob: Holy crap, WTF?!
Miranda: Damn right.



I wish there was an interrogation scene in ME3. Shepard and Ash, two Spectres, would have been an amazing good cop/bad cop routine.

[MegaBadExample]

CptData wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Okay, I think I was a little hard on BioWare last night. They did a good job keeping Ash well… like the old Ash. They didn't want to tinker around with her character too much, and they didn't really need to. In ME1, her character was well developed and we knew who she was… a realist, traditionalist, fierce, loyal, a family-first type of girl. But I just wished she talked more, moved around a little. She needed that cut content rather badly. Even though, her talks about family are so boring when you replay… I'm glad we got that insight in to her life, anyway.

She's still the same practical woman as before, but we needed those dialogues that were in the script, and we needed to know what she'd been doing with the Alliance these passed few years. Seriously, Horizon has only got to be one of her many missions during that time. She is bound to have some crazy stories to tell, like James. I can't help but wonder what could've been if Bioware got another year at making this game.

Well, fact is, Ashley in ME3 is only still the same Ashley for most of us who had her in ME1 AND use heavy headcanon to fill the gaps. As I said, there are a lot of cuts and some background I'd loved to know - all not in the game.

I think Ash is okay, but we definitely need more. For new guys playing the series, Ash is just a quite unpleasant fella ... 

I didn't headcanon anything. It's pointless. It's changing who Ash really is, to who we want her to be. Fair enough, Shepard - headcanon away until your heart is content. Bioware gave you that character to do so.

Bioware should've gave Ash that cut content. We wouldn't all be grasping at straws if they had.

Ashley is still the same woman to me. I don't need to make up crap to make her better in my eyes. I just made the odd assumption here and there. Like I thought they were spending nights together after the date scene (like if you romance Kaidan or Steve), and I still think they are, because they're officially a couple by then, right? Besides, they're so comfortable with each other when the romance scene rolls around as well. But it's still not pulling something out of the air, you know?

I don't care if new players hate Ash. So long as Bioware keep Ash the way she is - I'm good, because that's how I prefer her. But she needed to talk more!

If a DLC included more Ash dialogue during the game, most of us would be happy. That's all we needed, along with a little more: “Hey Skipper.” - can’t believe they left that out. Hopefully the EC rectifies that... AT LEAST.

"Skipper" was a MUST!  What happened to: "You'll always be the Skipper to me, Oh Captain, my Captain."?

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 27 mai 2012 - 08:47 .

[Td1984]

BP93 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

With Horizon, I basically tell myself that Edwin Shepard knows on some level how turning up alive and with Cerbeurs must look to Ash, and he's honeslty not sure what to say. Plus, he was worried about her in the first place, and combined with the emotions that get stirred up by seeing her - he's just not his usual persuasive self.

But, yes, Shepard's responses are truely horrible.

I found that if you just "go neutral" during the conversation that Ash isn't as pissed off. But if you just basically blurt out "CERBERUS **** YEAH" on the first or second option then it's completely terrible.

I think I usually go neutral there, for the very reason that the other options make Shep sound like an a-hole or ***** depending on gender.

When I read the "CERBERUS **** YEAH" part, it made the theme from "Team America: World Police" play in my head (the reference to that theme may have been your point though). 

[Rudy Lis]

BP93 wrote...

I wish there was an interrogation scene in ME3. Shepard and Ash, two Spectres, would have been an amazing good cop/bad cop routine.

After ME2? You think they could beat the record of shortest interrogation ever?

[BP93]

Rudy Lis wrote...

BP93 wrote...

I wish there was an interrogation scene in ME3. Shepard and Ash, two Spectres, would have been an amazing good cop/bad cop routine.

After ME2? You think they could beat the record of shortest interrogation ever?

Kelham was weak. I think a Batarian wouldn't be so quick to spill the beans. As to who would be the good cop and the bad cop is completely up for debate.