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[MegaBadExample]

Rudy Lis wrote...

BP93 wrote...

I wish there was an interrogation scene in ME3. Shepard and Ash, two Spectres, would have been an amazing good cop/bad cop routine.

After ME2? You think they could beat the record of shortest interrogation ever?

Yes. Pretty sure Ash would aim for the "tender bits" as Donnelly says.

[Rudy Lis]

BP93 wrote...

Kelham was weak.

You clearly not pro-Cerberus.

BP93 wrote...

I think a Batarian wouldn't be so quick to spill the beans.

After you wiped out their whole system?!
He'll tell me everything he never known and even confess in raping Tevos' parrot!

MegaBadExample wrote...

Yes. Pretty sure Ash would aim for the "tender bits" as Donnelly says.

And after that you can poke her on "who's worked for Cerberus, actually?"

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 27 mai 2012 - 09:00 .

[CptData]

Ehh ... MBE, you know me.
I'll be fine if the EC comes also with a bugfix and reintroduces cut (bugged) lines of Ashley. That's fine, I'll be grateful.

However, I want more. No, I don't want a full "date sim" with Ash. I just want her to be my Shepard's beacon of hope, his mainstay and the one he'd love to come back every single day in the field. That's it.

For me, it's quite this:

- I want to call her to Shepard's cabin for a romantic interaction
- OR I want to ask her if she wants to move in (and accepts)
- Some flirty talk
- Comfort scene after Thessia
- Second romantic climax scene for faithful guys (no need to be "sexy")
- some hints they do what lovers do (you know the lines I'm talking about)
- dialogues covering some questions
- more interaction with the crew
- HAPPY ENDING

=)

[iHorizons]

@CptData

You forgot Space Magic, Colors, and speculations!!!

[Rudy Lis]

Hey, CptData, you forgot post coup scene where she ask forgiveness for aiming at you and not trusting you.

[BP93]

CptData wrote...

Ehh ... MBE, you know me.
I'll be fine if the EC comes also with a bugfix and reintroduces cut (bugged) lines of Ashley. That's fine, I'll be grateful.

However, I want more. No, I don't want a full "date sim" with Ash. I just want her to be my Shepard's beacon of hope, his mainstay and the one he'd love to come back every single day in the field. That's it.

For me, it's quite this:

- I want to call her to Shepard's cabin for a romantic interaction
- OR I want to ask her if she wants to move in (and accepts)
- Some flirty talk
- Comfort scene after Thessia
- Second romantic climax scene for faithful guys (no need to be "sexy")
- some hints they do what lovers do (you know the lines I'm talking about)
- dialogues covering some questions
- more interaction with the crew
- HAPPY ENDING

=)

A combination of the two would be perfect. Could also tie in with the second climax too.

Modifié par BP93, 27 mai 2012 - 09:08 .

[MegaBadExample]

CptData wrote...

Ehh ... MBE, you know me.
I'll be fine if the EC comes also with a bugfix and reintroduces cut (bugged) lines of Ashley. That's fine, I'll be grateful.

However, I want more. No, I don't want a full "date sim" with Ash. I just want her to be my Shepard's beacon of hope, his mainstay and the one he'd love to come back every single day in the field. That's it.

For me, it's quite this:

- I want to call her to Shepard's cabin for a romantic interaction
- OR I want to ask her if she wants to move in (and accepts)
- Some flirty talk
- Comfort scene after Thessia
- Second romantic climax scene for faithful guys (no need to be "sexy")
- some hints they do what lovers do (you know the lines I'm talking about)
- dialogues covering some questions
- more interaction with the crew
- HAPPY ENDING

=)

All I need:

- Skipper
- You said it - more interactions with the crew (the cut Tali dialogue would've worked fine for me).
- Flirty dialogue (for romance only). Something that proves the romance is active after the date.

Cuddle time in Shepard's cabin would've been a bonus, but I don't need it.

[MegaBadExample]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Hey, CptData, you forgot post coup scene where she ask forgiveness for aiming at you and not trusting you.

I'd say she does trust you, if she took Shepard's word in a situation where he's pointing a gun at a councilor whom she has to protect.

[CptData]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Hey, CptData, you forgot post coup scene where she ask forgiveness for aiming at you and not trusting you.

Actually, I want a scene where BOTH ask for forgiveness.
Ash for distrusting Shepard.
Shepard for not telling the full story and trying to recruit her on Horizon.

And then ... well, a long passionate kiss and fade out. It's up to you if they have "reunion sex" or just an amazing romantic night ...

[MegaBadExample]

CptData wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Hey, CptData, you forgot post coup scene where she ask forgiveness for aiming at you and not trusting you.

Actually, I want a scene where BOTH ask for forgiveness.
Ash for distrusting Shepard.
Shepard for not telling the full story and trying to recruit her on Horizon.

And then ... well, a long passionate kiss and fade out. It's up to you if they have "reunion sex" or just an amazing romantic night ...

She doesn't "distrust" Shepard. That scene was designed to test her trust in *YOUR* Shepard. If Ashley takes your word in that situation she's putting all her faith in you all over again.

[Rudy Lis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I'd say she does trust you, if she took Shepard's word in a situation where he's pointing a gun at a councilor whom she has to protect.

And I guess if you can't figure why three persons aim one target, one is arguing with, not all three and not taking shots - something isn't right there.
Actually I don't get why Shepard and Co didn't spread out, to give VS no choice...

[MegaBadExample]

Rudy Lis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

I'd say she does trust you, if she took Shepard's word in a situation where he's pointing a gun at a councilor whom she has to protect.

And I guess if you can't figure why three persons aim one target, one is arguing with, not all three and not taking shots - something isn't right there.
Actually I don't get why Shepard and Co didn't spread out, to give VS no choice...

Ashley hesitates to hear the story. She wants an explanation from Shepard before anything happens. After all, he does catch her off guard, bursts through the door and suddenly aims at their human council member. Of course, she gonna be like "Woah hold on a second, Shepard what's happening?"

Besides, Shepard and company were aiming at Udina, and Ash steps in the way, because it's her job to defend him. Why would Shepard and the squad focus on Ash who's standing there confused as hell, when Udina is trying to open the door and let in an Assassin? Ash isn't who he came for. He tells Ash to lower her gun (trust test), and she does.

If she lives through that scene = She puts all her trust in Shep, takes his word and stands down.
If you had to shoot her... well she obviously didn't believe you.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 27 mai 2012 - 09:35 .

[DWH1982]

CptData wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Hey, CptData, you forgot post coup scene where she ask forgiveness for aiming at you and not trusting you.

Actually, I want a scene where BOTH ask for forgiveness.
Ash for distrusting Shepard.
Shepard for not telling the full story and trying to recruit her on Horizon.

And then ... well, a long passionate kiss and fade out. It's up to you if they have "reunion sex" or just an amazing romantic night ...

I don't need Ash to apologize ot me, or particularly want her to.

If that has to be included, fine, but at least give me an interrupt where I can tell her she doesn't need to. Edwin Shepard doesn't think she did anything wrong, or that she has anything to apologize for.

[MegaBadExample]

I'm in the same boat DWH. No apology needed as far as my Shepard's concerned. Ash did nothing wrong, she did everything right in my game. It was just one big muddle up, and as my Shepard said afterwards, "I never wanted to put you in that situation. We're on the same side."

Although, I would've liked to have seen Ashley defending the council against Kai Leng. Gotta feeling she would've got out-numbered and out-gunned with all those phantoms assisting Leng. Not pretty. "Sure could've turned in to a mess." As Ash says.

[CptData]

Well, I concur - that option should be given too. My Shep doesn't need a "sorry" from his Ash - I think he might interrupt her with ... well ... read by yourself =)

Shepard: Hey Ash ... you're still down here?
Ashley: Yeah. Just thinking about stuff ... and I need to tell you something.
Shepard: Remember my "open door policy"? That door is still open *smiles*
Ashley: Well - I'm sorry. I'm sorry for what had happened on Horizon ... for all those months when you were on Earth and ... and I didn't visit you. I'm sorry for pointing my gun at-
*Shepard interrupts Ashley by embracing her and looking into her eyes*
Shepard: No need to apologize, Ash. You're back, that's all what counts.
Ashley: Skipper ...
Shepard: "We had something, something real." Your words. I want that "something" again, Ash.
Ashley: Is that an order, oh captain, my captain?
Shepard: It's a plea. I want you back. That's why I asked you to not take Hackett's job. That's why I never can let you go.
Ashley: *smiles* ... you have your ways to ... convince people, Shepard.
Shepard: Pack your stuff and move in my cabin, Ash. Like in the ol' times.
Ashley: Aye-aye, Commander. *leans in for a kiss*
*passionate kissing*^^

[Rudy Lis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ashley hesitates to hear the story. She wants an explanation from Shepard before anything happens.

Aha. Story. Where's the guarantee, that story or explanation Shepard will tell will be correct? she travels with him whole ME1, so probably she witnessed his negotiations' skills. Plus, Shepard could wearing full-face helmet - go figure where his eyes are looking and whether or not there some strange tone in his voice, suggesting he is lying - could be distortion via "vox box".
Why, all of a sudden, believe story right on spot, not before? Not in Hospital, Mars, Horizon, maybe somewhere else, but right there, when three armed persons hold you at gunpoints, and, arithmetically speaking, it's lose-lose situation - even if she will be able to take one of them down, two other will finish her. 
Because Shepard says that salarian councilor told him Udina is enemy? Why Udina didn't played his video where Shepard killing salarian, to confuse Ash even more?

MegaBadExample wrote...

After all, he does catch her off guard, bursts through the door and suddenly aims at their human council member. Of course, she gonna be like "Woah hold on a second, Shepard what's happening?"

If your former commander, one in whom two admirals apparently trust, aiming gun on person you protecting, maybe there is a reason, no? But no, she trusts Udina, one she hated in previous parts. Or not. Depends on whether you visit her in hospital or something else? I don't know, never tried "distrust" scene, so I don't know what exactly triggers it.
Speaking of "off-guard" - why Shepard didn't yelled from elevator's roof "Friendlies!"? Ash knows his voice, tone, she should be able to hear him. If he yell loud enough. Transponder, radio - all broken, no way to contact council and/or Ashley? See above on salarian video.

MegaBadExample wrote...

Besides, Shepard and company were aiming at Udina, and Ash steps in the way, because it's her job to defend him. Why would Shepard and the squad focus on Ash who's standing there confused as hell, when Udina is trying to open the door and let in an Assassin? Ash isn't who he came for. He tells Ash to lower her gun (trust test), and she does.

Yeah, right. Udina. One target, not two "compact" Asari and Turian, who are easy pickings - nobody even watching their direction. That's why I'm asking - why Shepard and team didn't spread farther, to make it obvious they aiming at Udina? but really, with Ash experience she should be able to calculate who they are aiming at and estimate she can't protect Udina from three gunners, should they want to kill him.
Besides, should they really wanted to kill everyone, it was easier to just open fire as soon as you see targets - unless Ash plays on Casual or spam immunity, she has no chances versus three "assassins".
And if dialogue begins, I guess it's quite clear those three are not here for council assassination.

MegaBadExample wrote...

If she lives through that scene = She puts all her trust in Shep, takes his word and stands down.
If you had to shoot her... well she obviously didn't believe you.

And let's take it from Shepard's point of view - person he served with (maybe even fell in love) constantly questions him, mistrusts him, even after witnessing admirals orders and actions taken against Cerberus, didn't paid a visit, while he was in custody (she's not Miranda after all) and, especially in Ash's case, suddenly rose in ranks in 6 months from OpChief to LtCdr. For what accomplishments, I wonder? More than that - rose to Spectre ranks? Mmmkay, his own rise wasn't that logical, I agree.
Maybe greasing squeaky wheel, to ensure personal loyalty - same trick done with Bailey? Hmm... Suspicious. And she aims at you, trying to shield Udina, though it's clear she cannot protect him from three of you. Yet she talking, while Udina doing something. Palaver? Distraction?

DWH1982 wrote...

I don't need Ash to apologize ot me, or particularly want her to.

And I want apology. Because for me, apologizing for something is sign that person, before whom you apologizing, is important to you and you prefer to admit your fault to keep friendship (I really hate word "relationship"). Even if you know (not just stubbornly think) that person is wrong. Sort of taking first step toward restoring or maintaining... ehm... "position" between you two. Sort of "collateral" admittance your own flaws.

Paragon/renegade interrupts of course are welcomed.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 27 mai 2012 - 10:35 .

[Ushanka]

Shepard is not so soft, he demands apologize!
I wanted to say, that "good sorry" is welcomed. =)

[MegaBadExample]

I'm saying what happened in my game, Rudy. You're saying that Ash trusts Udina more than Shep, yes? And I'm saying she doesn’t. Not in my game anyway.

Udina was ranting, "Shepard's with Ceberus!"
And Ashley wasn't buying it, she said, "Must've been a bad break-up, those bodies back on Mars were all Cerberus." She DEFENDED him, then lowered her gun without me using a paragon or renegade persuasion at all. That gave me all the proof I needed, especially in THAT kind of situation where she couldn't afford to get it wrong. But I admit, her shooting him was the icing on the cake.

Constantly questions him? Only on Mars, and rightfully so. Does being uninformed about the situation and asking for some answers to things she's doesn’t understand automatically mean mistrust now? In the Hospital, Ash says, "case-closed" she got her answers, and that’s where it ended for me. The thing with the VS is that everybody can react to them differently, and they do the same. You can't paint them with the same brush for everybody. This whole stand off scene was smooth sailing for my Shepard. I couldn't get Ash to turn on me if I tried.

But I understand that for some players Ashley doesn't trust them (from her pov that's understandable), and she pays for it with her life.

EDIT: Okay, I'm done with this now. CASE-CLOSED. I know what happened in my game and that's all that matters to me. I've got work to do, and sadly BSN kills the time I need to finish it in.

Bottom line:
If Ashley lives passed that scene - she was forced to put all her trust in Shepard all over again. She HAD to.
If she dies… Well, it’s safe to say, she didn’t.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 27 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[Dannycni]

So finally started my renegade run through of ME3, and have got to visiting Ash in the hospital. She gets hurt saving the 'precious' Liara and yet her fans just b!tch about Ashley! (This isn't hate towards Liara rather some of her close-minded fans)
Poor Ash, I had nearly forgotten how badly she got it and just how worried Shepard is by the whole thing. I liked how when you visit her in hopsital the first time you have a full convseration with her when she's lying their unconscious.

Shepard: Ash...
Ashley: Dont 'Ash' me

There is too much of this game I forgot

Modifié par Dannycni, 27 mai 2012 - 11:33 .

[lil yonce]

Okay, someone has tweeted Patrick Weekes, asking him about Ash's S1 designation. If you're reading T Koshy, thanks!

I haven't asked tweeted yet, but I will ask tomorrow. Apply pressure. I need to make an account first.

And, if any of you can, tweet also. We need to crack the code on this.

T Koshy asked on May 20th, a while ago, and as of May 27th, Weekes has not officially responded.

Here's a link to two related tweets: 

First tweet.

Second tweet.

Honestly, I don't think he can find out - I don't think anyone at Bioware has a clue. Would've explained it in game if they did know, along with a proper explaintion of what Ash had been doing since Horizon...

Weekes can't definitively explain the "N" designation...

And now, I really hope the VS gets a comic because... Tali's getting one.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 27 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[DWH1982]

Eh. Am I the only one not totally bothered by the "S1" designation? I really don't need every detail explained.

I mostly just want the gaps in her history filled in. If explaining the S1 designation helps with that, great. But I don't need it to be part of that.

Also, not sure I want an Ash comic if Mac Walters is writing them. The other comics were average, at best, and I'm afriad he wouldn't get Ash/Kaidan right.

Modifié par DWH1982, 28 mai 2012 - 12:11 .

[lil yonce]

DWH1982 wrote...

Eh. Am I the only one not totally bothered by the "S1" designation? I really don't need every detail explained.

I mostly just want the gaps in her history filled in. If explaining the S1 designation helps with that, great. But I don't need it to be part of that.

Also, not sure I want an Ash comic if Mac Walters is writing them. The other comics were average, at best, and I'm afriad he wouldn't get Ash/Kaidan right.

We don't know what Ashley did before or after Horizon is the problem. At some point, she switched her vocation from "B" to "S" and that's a very important detail. "B" is most likely infantry, and until Eden Prime, she was just a basic grunt. Makes sense.

Horizon was a special mission green lit by Admiral Anderson. World of difference in duty.

We have from somewhere in 2183 - late 2185 to fill. IMO, it isn't likely she went back to infantry duty after the destruction of the SR-1. So what was she doing? We need to know what "S" is code for. She may have spent part of her time training for S1 proficiency before Horizon. It will also help determine what duties she had or missions she may have been on in the 2183-2185 gap.

But, she may have switched her vocation after Horizon and not before as I suggested. Did she train in late 2185? Or in 2186? How long did she train? When did she attend OSC? We have to plan for S1 training somwhere, you see.

We know she did attend OSC. If we go by the modern USMC model, took a three month course and was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant sometime in late 2185 or sometime early 2186, attending no later than March.

After that, everything is suspect...

But, we need to know what she was doing and cracking S1 will help us determine possibilities.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 28 mai 2012 - 12:46 .

[Rudy Lis]

Ushanka wrote...

Shepard is not so soft, he demands apologize!

Shepard demands gingerbreads and Kvass. Rest can wait.

MegaBadExample wrote...

I'm saying what happened in my game, Rudy. You're saying that Ash trusts Udina more than Shep, yes?

By pointing gun for significant amount of time at Shepard - yes. I do not remember, and cannot check it right now (wave origin), but I think somewhere around 30 seconds at least, while you talk her down. I'd say 30 seconds is long period of time.

MegaBadExample wrote...

And I'm saying she doesn’t. Not in my game anyway.

Udina was ranting, "Shepard's with Ceberus!"
And Ashley wasn't buying it, she said, "Must've been a bad break-up, those bodies back on Mars were all Cerberus." She DEFENDED him, then lowered her gun without me using a paragon or renegade persuasion at all. That gave me all the proof I needed, especially in THAT kind of situation where she couldn't afford to get it wrong. But I admit, her shooting him was the icing on the cake.

How so, I wonder? Isn't that all is scripted into monorail cutscene?
Or my buddy palmed me off faulty save?

MegaBadExample wrote...

Constantly questions him? Only on Mars, and rightfully so. Does being uninformed about the situation and asking for some answers to things she's doesn’t understand automatically mean mistrust now?

If you were uninformed, that means your superiors deem necessary to keep it that way.
And I guess promotion affect badly on VS - they should take Vega as example - there was order and he follows. Without second guessing, even if he is in disagreement.
You disagree and don't want to follow admirals' orders? Fine, no one forcibly hold you here, I guess we could've done Mars mission with any random marine on board - there was one, in blue-camo, on ramp, during "leaving Earth". I doubt his performance could be worse. Or in duo with Vega, while you can guard the shuttle, I don't insist.

MegaBadExample wrote...

You can't paint them with the same brush for everybody.

I wonder how's that possible if actions are pretty railroaded - either you talk VS down and he switch his attention to Udina, or you don't and you or some of your team kills VS. I guess all difference lies in different words VS says to you.

MegaBadExample wrote...

But I understand that for some players Ashley doesn't trust them (from her pov that's understandable), and she pays for it with her life.

She didn't. Well, technically Kaidan didn't - that save with Ash was provided by friend. But there she also didn't. So in all my games losses of my Shepard are only those enforced - Jenkins, Virmire victim, SR1 attack victims, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Shepard. Rest should be alive. Or not. Hard to say.

Youth4Ever wrote...

Honestly, I don't think he can find out - I don't think anyone at Bioware has a clue.

I have a clue. Supersexy, 1st grade.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 28 mai 2012 - 12:37 .

[DWH1982]

If you want my thoughts on the "S1" designation...

The "S" was intended to indicate she's a Spectre, because there was either poor communication between the writers and whoever was desinging the armor, or the writing team just didn't know at first that Ash wouldn't start out a Spectre.

Modifié par DWH1982, 28 mai 2012 - 12:48 .

[lil yonce]

DWH1982 wrote...

If you want my thoughts on the "S1" designation...

The "S" was intended to indicate she's a Spectre, because there was either poor communication between the writers and whoever was desinging the armor, or the writing team just didn't know at first that Ash wouldn't start out a Spectre.

"S" wouldn't indicate Spectre status. Spectres aren't part of the Alliance military. "Spectre" is not a vocation in the Alliance.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 28 mai 2012 - 12:52 .