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[DWH1982]

Ushanka wrote...

Every normal soldier would protect someone from crew, even if he don't like him.

That's true, although Ash also says something about talking to Liara after Thessia. So I guess she does care a little, even if there's some tension between them.

She does the same thing if Liara is on the ship during Novera, in ME1. She goes and talks to her about losing her mother.

TOP ASH

Modifié par DWH1982, 29 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[Dannycni]

Ashley getting ready for the Galactic winter Olympics




But yea, there is no doubt Ash will fight for her crew, even if they aren't all that close.

[Aurora313]

I think Ashley's main beef with Liara (aside from being the daughter of an enemy commander in 1) is that of a romantic rival... thankfully, in my Shep's case, she's got nothing to worry about.

[DWH1982]

Yeah. Edwin Shepard was never as attracted to Liara as he was to Ash. In fact, he let Liara know he wasn't interested when he got the first opportunity, so he wasn't stringing her along.

[survivor_686]

Aurora313 wrote...

I think Ashley's main beef with Liara (aside from being the daughter of an enemy commander in 1) is that of a romantic rival... thankfully, in my Shep's case, she's got nothing to worry about.

I tried romancing Liara...she was just so..passive.

[DWH1982]

survivor_686 wrote...

I tried romancing Liara...she was just so..passive.

Not to be mean to Liara, but I get a strong "Whatever Shepard says/does is gold" vibe from her that I'm just not sure I like. Sometimes it starts to feel, I don't know... a little too close to worship, maybe? Probably a bad word, but it's too strong.

ME3 Liara is at least a little more willing to stand up for herself with Shepard - I like that you get a snippy comment from her if you were romancing her, then go off with Traynor or something. But, I don't know. I would agree that I feel like Liara in general is too passive when it comes to Shepard. I sometimes wonder if she has self esteem issues or something that might contribute to it. If you've ever seen the romance confrontation in ME1, she doesn't even object if Shepard suggests being in a relationship with both her and Ash. Ash objects, but Liara just kind of stands there.

I prefer Ash. Ash has her own view on how things should be done, and she's not afraid to let Shepard know it.

Modifié par DWH1982, 29 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[CptData]

Well, no char bashing here (I can't sense any atm, but it could easily get out of hand).

For me, Liara is simply not my type. She's nice and friendly and everything (if you ignore her mean side as Shadow Broker), 'thoigh she's not challenging enough for my Shepard (and me). IRL, I wouldn't go after a woman like her.

Ashley on the other hand is challenging. First you need to go through her rough outside and try to get her softer side. Then she slowly starts to warm up, slowly becoming more and more attracted to you. In a way, she's much more interesting than any other character 'though with less words needed to create her character. Ash is fascinating since you can extend her character by headcanon - something I can't do for most other characters.

The challenge for the player is, to learn more of Ash, even stuff she never tells you. Still waters run deep.

IRL, I feel incredible attracted to "hard-to-get" women. It's a risky idea since chances for getting tuned down are increased, but I've got the feeling a relationship with such woman could be really fascinating. Maybe that's why I'm unhappy with my fiancee - that challenge does not exist. She's closer to Liara (devoted love) than Ashley.

Guess "ideals" and "reality" don't work together that well, huh ^^

[Dannycni]

Something changes in Liara throughout the games. I'll admit I flirted with her and Ashley on my first run through because I thought they were both great. But as the games go on I didn't view Liara as any sort of potential LI anymore I just thought she became colder or less interesting I don't know exactly what it was but there is no one in ME3 who could tempt me away from Ashley cause I still think all in all she is the best (in my opinion) female character in the game and probably in my top 3 altogether

[DWH1982]

Liara went through a lot of stuff between ME1 and ME2. She seemed to blame herself for Feron, even though she shouldn't have blamed herself at all. She also seems to have a thing for him (which really should have been explored more in ME3, btw), even though, frankly, she probably deserves better than someone who tried to sell her out. Again, I'm left wondering if she has self esteem issues.

In ME2, Edwin Shepard just wished he could give Liara a hug. She seemed like she needed a friend. I'm glad LoTSB gave him a chance to help her.

[survivor_686]

CptData wrote...

Well, no char bashing here (I can't sense any atm, but it could easily get out of hand).

For me, Liara is simply not my type. She's nice and friendly and everything (if you ignore her mean side as Shadow Broker), 'thoigh she's not challenging enough for my Shepard (and me). IRL, I wouldn't go after a woman like her.

Ashley on the other hand is challenging. First you need to go through her rough outside and try to get her softer side. Then she slowly starts to warm up, slowly becoming more and more attracted to you. In a way, she's much more interesting than any other character 'though with less words needed to create her character. Ash is fascinating since you can extend her character by headcanon - something I can't do for most other characters.

The challenge for the player is, to learn more of Ash, even stuff she never tells you. Still waters run deep.

IRL, I feel incredible attracted to "hard-to-get" women. It's a risky idea since chances for getting tuned down are increased, but I've got the feeling a relationship with such woman could be really fascinating. Maybe that's why I'm unhappy with my fiancee - that challenge does not exist. She's closer to Liara (devoted love) than Ashley.

Guess "ideals" and "reality" don't work together that well, huh ^^

As Shepard put it: "Everyone has baggage, you just need to find a matching set"

[DWH1982]

survivor_686 wrote...

As Shepard put it: "Everyone has baggage, you just need to find a matching set"

I love using that line with Ash. Her response is priceless. It's like she's thinking, Oh, I can't believe I'm falling for someone so nerdy.

I think Edwin Shepard says stuff like that all the time. It always makes Ash groan a little, but it also always makes her love him a little more.

[Dannycni]

@DWH, thats true she does go through alot and I suppose that's gonna take its toll. Look how she treats those 2 Cerberus guys chasing her on Mars, I don't think she'd have been able to do that in ME1. In ME1 she seems so innocent and almost child like, but is much more stoic in ME3.
But that's nothing to do with Ash, but this is!!!

[Dannycni]

Edit: Sorry don't know why the double post

Modifié par Dannycni, 29 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[CptData]

survivor_686 wrote...

As Shepard put it: "Everyone has baggage, you just need to find a matching set"

Well, I must admit the current set is not matching. Doesn't hinder me to enjoy it as long as it lasts 'though I don't believe I'll marry my fiancee in the end. There are too many issues we simply can't overcome. I'm a loner type, she's one who needs closeness, I have a tendency to keep myself busy with work, projects etc while she's more the lazy bone.
I definitely know it won't last, despite the fact we love each other.

One of the reasons why I admire Ashley. She seems to be the perfect mix between "loner" and "close partner".

On the other hand I know a woman like Ash is not interested in a normal dude like I am. Simply because such women are incredible independent and need equals - and I'm none to them.

[survivor_686]

CptData wrote...

survivor_686 wrote...

As Shepard put it: "Everyone has baggage, you just need to find a matching set"

Well, I must admit the current set is not matching. Doesn't hinder me to enjoy it as long as it lasts 'though I don't believe I'll marry my fiancee in the end. There are too many issues we simply can't overcome. I'm a loner type, she's one who needs closeness, I have a tendency to keep myself busy with work, projects etc while she's more the lazy bone.
I definitely know it won't last, despite the fact we love each other.

One of the reasons why I admire Ashley. She seems to be the perfect mix between "loner" and "close partner".

On the other hand I know a woman like Ash is not interested in a normal dude like I am. Simply because such women are incredible independent and need equals - and I'm none to them.

Bear in mind matching has so many meanings. It could mean color coordinated or something.

[CptData]

^ well, "matching set" means more than "works at emotional level". If everything else fails, that emotional attachment gets weaker and weaker until it breaks - and then you have a mismatching set.

Ash & Shepard are a matching set on more levels.
They fit together on an emotional level.
They're both soldiers and may have a similar mindset.
In a way they have the same understanding of duty 'though Ashley is focused on the Alliance while Shepard is focused on the galaxy as whole.
They have similar interests (given the fact Shepard always acts as if s/he had similar interests and PoVs like the LI s/he is going after).
...

So they have more layers of "matching set". ^^

[DWH1982]

CptData wrote...

^ well, "matching set" means more than "works at emotional level". If everything else fails, that emotional attachment gets weaker and weaker until it breaks - and then you have a mismatching set.

Ash & Shepard are a matching set on more levels.
They fit together on an emotional level.
They're both soldiers and may have a similar mindset.
In a way they have the same understanding of duty 'though Ashley is focused on the Alliance while Shepard is focused on the galaxy as whole.
They have similar interests (given the fact Shepard always acts as if s/he had similar interests and PoVs like the LI s/he is going after).
...

So they have more layers of "matching set". ^^

This, pretty much.

I think Edwin Shepard and Ash work even though they have differing world philosophies because they have so much else in common, but also because even their differences work. Ash's realism helps keep Shepard's idealism in check, but his idealism helps keep Ash's cynicism in check. In my head canon, Ash is even a little attracted to Shepard becuase of his idealism, even if she doesn't always agree with it. Shepard is a little calmer and Ash can be a little more emotional, but rather than causing friction, they even each other out as a couple.

Then there's the stuff they have in common, like a sense of duty, a snarky sense of humor (they enjoy teasing each other!), a love of poetry, a love of working with guns/weapons, and a bunch of stuff from my head canon, like exercising, rock climbing, hiking, cheesey action and sci-fi flicks, and fast food. Both can enjoy either a quiet night in, or a night at the clubs on the Citadel. Even if Ash has to put up with Shepard's dancing.

I think one of the things they often do when they go on dates is find a shooting range, like the one at the Spectre office, and just compete to see who has a better shot with various weapons. Sometimes Ash wins, sometimes Shepard does, but they have a great time with each other doing something so simple.

**

Ash: You still owe me 60 credits. From when I beat you at the range.

Shepard: Uh huh. I don't think I'm paying. I think you cheated.

Ash: Oh? And how, exactly, did I "cheat" at the firing range?

Shepard: You wore that red and white uniform. It's distracting. I couldn't focus on my shooting.

Ash: (laughs) Sorry, Skipper, no dice. "A professional must learn stay focused at all times." Straight out of training. Can't have you getting distracted out in the field, can we?

Shepard: Okay. What if I find another way to pay you back?

*grabs Ash, passionately kisses her*

Ash: Well. This is something I need to investigate.

*kisses Shepard back*

Ash: Nah... I think I'd rather have the 60 credits.

*smiles at Shepard and walks away*

Shepard: .....

Modifié par DWH1982, 29 mai 2012 - 03:46 .

[MegaBadExample]

Ashley and my Shepard have so much in common, that I can't see him with anybody else because of that "matching baggage". There's gonna be times when they're both moody/emotional as hell because of losing their squads, and they understand.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 29 mai 2012 - 04:23 .

[Dannycni]

Don't worry Data, all you need to do is find the real Ashley Williams and you're sorted, simples lol

Ashley and Shepard are a great couple, I personally love all the banter they have with one another, although most of that is coming from fanfics or dialogues on here, but I like how comfortable they are with each other that they don't mind giving each other a bit of a hard time or how Ash basically acts like the dominant figure in their relationship and the 'great and glorious' Commander Shepard is brought back down to Earth all the time by Ashley.



Apologies for that pic, on second look it's not great but there it is

Modifié par Dannycni, 29 mai 2012 - 04:47 .

[Ushanka]

You know, I think all women (women!!!) in the crew deserve happiness with Shepard, but Ash most of them, because their romance interesting, just interesting to watch what will be next.

[PMC65]

For me the right person for Shepard depends on the Shepard that I'm playing ... PV Shepard is a spacer kid and he is very sober and just a tad starched so Ash was what he needed while EW Shepard needed someone who could see past her wall that was built after Mindoir ... that was Liara.

It's all about the Shepard I'm currently playing.

As for me personally? If I woke up in the ME universe it would have been Traynor since she is a fellow sister, cute accent, bright and ... did I say fellow sister?

[CptData]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ashley and my Shepard have so much in common, that I can't see him with anybody else because of that "matching baggage". There's gonna be times when they're both moody/emotional as hell because of losing their squads, and they understand.

Indeed.

See, the reason why I think Ash & Shepard have a really healthy relationship (in meaning of: unbreakable) is: it comes with more layers. They're not just a "matching set" - they're more than that.

Layers of relationship
Every normal relationship may (or may not) start on a friendship level. You like a person and at some point, the mutual interest grow into more. You come together - bam: friendship turns into love.
Sometimes that friendship-stage is missing - you find a person you're interested in, you talk to him or her, realize s/he is interesting to talk to, you have a couple of dates and if everything works out, you and that person end as a couple.

Two standard ways.

Well, in case of Ashley and Shepard it's quite different.
They met each other under dire circumstances: Shepard had just lost a man under his command and is about to stumble in an amazing but horrifying adventure that's going to change his life and the entire galaxy's fate. Of course, he doesn't know it yet. Ashley just had lost her entire unit and is one of few survivors of the colony - she feels guilty of losing her unit - survivor's guilt.
After accepting her as part of the crew, she and Shepard are comrades. As a good captain he tries to keep up the good mood and tells to his crew frequently. And at some point, comradeship evolves into friendship. Well, technically that's wrong: both paths exist at the same time, so they're comrades AND friends.
Friendship slowly turns into close friendship with the lingering feeling of "something deeper" - that's the point when Ash shares some of her secrets and up to the locker scene (if you avoided the confrontation with Liara!) That's the point when their comradeship and friendship got extented to romantic love.

At this point, THREE different layers are keeping them together: comradeship, friendship and love. Which is unique - under normal circumstances, at least one of those layers gets replaced by another one. But in case of our favorite couple, they continue to exist.

I think I also sensed a fourth layer, but that one is hard to prove since it never happens in the game. That's the one where headcanon comes in play: Ashley and Shepard are soulmates.


Soulmates
It's not too unusual to see two lovers who're also soulmates. Those relationships don't die that easily, if they die, you can expect a lot of damage done. And to kill such relationship, one has to do a big mistake, like cheating on the partner.

Ash & Shepard are such soulmates. It's nearly purely headcanon since we see only a very limited portion of this part of their relationship. ME3 fails in this field - it simply shows nothing - but ME1 had some hints. Like Ashley showing up in the moment when Shepard was beaten (locker scene). On a lesser extend, their similar mindset (both are loyal soldiers 'though Shepard's loyalty is NOT the same like Ashley's) proves it as well.

In a way, one partner knows what the other desires and vice versa. Ashley shows up when Shepard needs her most (ME3 fails here: the Fall of Thessia was his darkest hour and yet he had to comfort Liara and does not receive ANY comfort from Ash). As I said, in ME1 it was the locker scene. Spending the night before Ilos with him is another proof (or gameplay mechanics, if you want that). In ME2, she put some sense in his mind (just in case the player has forgotten who Shepard truly is) and in ME3 - well, at least BW didn't mess up the romantic climax scene.

Whew.

So much text and so little new.

[Ushanka]

Oh, and what about Aria? She is awesome, especially with Carrie-Ann Moss's voice.

[MegaBadExample]

Ushanka wrote...

You know, I think all women (women!!!) in the crew deserve happiness with Shepard, but Ash most of them, because their romance interesting, just interesting to watch what will be next.

Man... Ash isn't gonna be too happy about that. 

I like to romance other characters, but I never cheat no matter who I'm with. I made up a single Shepard for ME2 once, and romanced Miranda - yeah... didn't really like that romance.

Shepard: I like your body.
Miranda: I like it when you like my body.
Shepard: I care about you.
Miranda: Love?
Shepard: Bed?

If you romance her, she turns into an emotional teary mess. I like Miranda best when she's kinda cold, harsh and professional. I love her that way. I think my Shepard needed his XO as sharp as could be, without any emotions getting in the way. Not that he was interested when him and Ashley had this amazing build up in ME1 which can't be compared to (seriously they talked a little about everything). However, Miranda's cat-suit was very eye-catching sometimes, though. Besides, I think after Horizon my Shepard wasn't ready to get "unprofessional" with any of his crew... for a very long time, if ever.

I wanted to romance Liara in ME1, but I couldn't. As I said, Ash and my Shepard have so much in common, (more than any other character), and then with Virmire.. well after that mission they've got ties for life. Why should he romance Liara instead? Maybe one of these days I'll make up a femshep and romance the blue babe, but I get too much of a "worship" vibe from her. Still like her, though. Her friendship path is better, IMO. Maybe because it's canon?

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 29 mai 2012 - 05:29 .

[Td1984]

CptData wrote...

Ushanka wrote...

Western and Eastern salute is mostly the same. The difference is only that we salute like that if we have hat. I don't like, that she stays as usually and only difference is that she uses right arm to salute.

You know, that man, who animated movements in ME3 was gardener? That's why it's so crappy.

Some animations -are- bad. Like most of Jokers animations. God, that guy acts like a robot - in ME2, it was done much better. Overall, the animations in ME2 were outstanding, in ME3 there are several issues with 'em.

Well, at least Ashley/Shepard interactions are bug free while there's at least one scene with Liara where the animations are entirely bugged.

Yeah, that's the one where you catch up with Liara in her office and ask her about what happened between the time you helped her take out the old SB and meeting her on Mars. After a topic or two, Glyph pops up and for the rest of the conversation, it looks like Shep and Liara are paying more attention to what Glyph is doing than to each other.

On the topic of Wrex, I've been considering making this playthrough with my new FShep Katniss be one where Wrex is killed on Virmire and the Genophage cure destroyed in ME3. Not sure I can bring myself to do it without starting a character from scratch with ME2 though.