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[MegaBadExample]

Aurora313 wrote...

If they think of charging for the EC, then - to quote Kaidan - I'm gonna be sooo pissed. I hope that for future retail versions, they'll actually add the EC into the game so new customers won't have to download it.

I just miss the sense of scale that one had. Two is ok, a bit mainstreamed, but still the enviroments were somewhat unique each level. 3? I loved the massive sizes of the levels, there were just too few in my opinion.

When did Kaidan say that?

[LoneStarJedi]

I'm on the fence about MP. Sure, I'd rather the resources be reallocated to the SP team. But only if they modify the whole war assets/EMS thing, because without MP I don't see how I can get my EMS score high enough for the "best" ending. What happens if I want to play ME3 again a year from now, and the MP community is dead?

As to the ending...with the state of the galaxy as it is -no mass relays, fleets stuck at Earth, worlds cut off- would having Shepard and Ash survive together (or whatever LI) really be a happy ending? It'd be better, but happy? What I mean is, they could have let us have an ending where we get to be with our LI, but still have everything else up in the air for the sake of drama. Stranding Ash was just salt in the wound.

[Gangsta914]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Honestly? I'm really wasn't looking for a happy ending. I was hoping for an ending that made sense, answered most of my questions, and gave me closure. I was okay with Shepard dying so long as Ashley lived.

But after Bioware promised 16 different endings? Hell yes, I want a happy ending.

MP DLC is a waste to me. Most of my mates don't play ME anyway. They play fifa, forza, bf3 and cod. I wish I could convince them to at least give Mass Effect a go... but after the endings? Meh.

At first, I played ME3 MP online with some friends I met over the internet... but now? Nah... can't be bothered with it. I wonder how much SP DLC Bioware will release though... somehow I get the feeling it'll be... less.

I agree completely. I did want a happy ending though. I wanted to have a playthrough where my Shepard does die to save everyone he loves, but at the same time I wanted a playthrough where he could survive and be with his LI and friends/family. Mass Effect is all about choices, simple as that and to give us an ending that varies but very small differences then you failed the series. 

I don't even have faith in the EC, its not changing anything so what good is it. Regardless of how they explain the Normandy leaving Earth it won't help, at least for me. There is no way in hell Ash, Garrus, and everyone else would leave Shepard like that. It goes against everything Shepard and them have gone through. 

[Aurora313]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

If they think of charging for the EC, then - to quote Kaidan - I'm gonna be sooo pissed. I hope that for future retail versions, they'll actually add the EC into the game so new customers won't have to download it.

I just miss the sense of scale that one had. Two is ok, a bit mainstreamed, but still the enviroments were somewhat unique each level. 3? I loved the massive sizes of the levels, there were just too few in my opinion.

When did Kaidan say that?

Somewhere between the Cerberus mission and final charge to earth. Femshep asks how he is and he remarks along the lines of 'If the reapers messed with anything I left behind I'm gonna be so pissed.'

@ EC
I just hope they don't justify it by saying Shepard ordered Joker and the Normandy to leave. Hell, Joker would refuse completely. He's not abandoning Shepard all over again. Nor is anyone else. They'd sooner kill themselves then let Shepard die alone.

Modifié par Aurora313, 31 mai 2012 - 04:00 .

[Gangsta914]

@Aurora Exactly. Ash says she doesn't want to lose Shepard again...why would she then leave. Same with everyone else, it just doesn't make sense.

I finished my ME1 play through and started ME2...I already miss Ash

[MegaBadExample]

I'm only half-way through ME1 atm. Somehow I'm gonna have to finish that, ME2 and ME3 before the EC comes out.... and I'm not very motivated to do so. =/

Yeah, ME2 isn't the same without Ash. But she wouldn't have worked with Cerberus, and I'm glad she didn't for numberous reasons. My Shepard felt like traitor working with Cerberus... but he needs to. "Every instinct I had told me not to trust Cerberus." But with their resources he got the job done.

Most of the guys on here are complaining about what happened to their love interests in ME3... but geez look what happened to Ash and Kaidan in ME3. A fight? That's all we got. Then we got constantly harassed by butt-hurt fan boys who got crushed on Horizon. They took it so personal.

[Gangsta914]

I started my ME1 play through about a month ago...just finished last night, I was unmotivated like you for the longest time lol. I'm also happy Ash didn't work for Cerberus, so I mean in a way its nice she isn't a squad mate but never the less it still sucks I see her once and then get one email later in the game

[AmyMac]

Gangsta914 wrote...
I agree completely. I did want a happy ending though. I wanted to have a playthrough where my Shepard does die to save everyone he loves, but at the same time I wanted a playthrough where he could survive and be with his LI and friends/family. Mass Effect is all about choices, simple as that and to give us an ending that varies but very small differences then you failed the series. 

I don't even have faith in the EC, its not changing anything so what good is it. Regardless of how they explain the Normandy leaving Earth it won't help, at least for me. There is no way in hell Ash, Garrus, and everyone else would leave Shepard like that. It goes against everything Shepard and them have gone through. 

I got to thinking about this, and then I realized that the thing that made Mass Effect stand out in the series -- that made it stand out as a truly epic video game in general -- is that it presents you with two choices that require a sacrifice no matter what. Even if you do everything right, you have to leave Ash or Kaidan behind on Virmire. In the Battle of the Citadel, you have to choose to sacrifice human ships if you want to save the Destiny Ascension. Even if you do everything right, there will be casualties of war. Forgive the comparison to a simple-minded shooter, but it's kind of like in Modern Warfare when they blow up the bomb and SSgt Jackson dies -- no matter what you do, people still die.

The story of Mass Effect 2 was cool, and the Collector Base mission was all kinds of epic, IMO (partially because of Jack Wall's amazing soundtrack), but there was nothing that floored me the way the scene where Shepard's standing on the Virmire catwalk, chosing to save Kaidan or Ash did. I think that (and the conversation with the squad afterwards) might seriously be one of the most emotional moments in the whole series.

That is what Mass Effect 3 lacked. Sure, there's the Salarian/Krogan conflict and the Quarian/Geth conflict, but it's possible to get all four of those species on your side if you play your cards right. I wanted to have to let entire planets fall to the reapers to save others. I wanted (some) of my squadmates to die. Even if Shepard and his/her love interest both survive, wouldn't it be epic to, say, have Shep and Ash together on Palaven, mourning Garrus at the turian equivalent of a funeral?

Modifié par AmyMac, 31 mai 2012 - 04:51 .

[Gangsta914]

@AmyMac It would have been epic. The game had to have sacrifice, there was no way they could avoid it and I'm glad they didn't. I mean, how could we have a perfect ending where everyone survives? Its just not possible, but as selfish as this will sound, I would have let planets fall to keep Ash by my Shepard's side. I would have also sacrificed Shepard if it meant Ash would be safe and able to live out her life in peace. Not on some unknown planet lol.

[Td1984]

Aurora313 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

If they think of charging for the EC, then - to quote Kaidan - I'm gonna be sooo pissed. I hope that for future retail versions, they'll actually add the EC into the game so new customers won't have to download it.

I just miss the sense of scale that one had. Two is ok, a bit mainstreamed, but still the enviroments were somewhat unique each level. 3? I loved the massive sizes of the levels, there were just too few in my opinion.

When did Kaidan say that?

Somewhere between the Cerberus mission and final charge to earth. Femshep asks how he is and he remarks along the lines of 'If the reapers messed with anything I left behind I'm gonna be so pissed.'

@ EC
I just hope they don't justify it by saying Shepard ordered Joker and the Normandy to leave. Hell, Joker would refuse completely. He's not abandoning Shepard all over again. Nor is anyone else. They'd sooner kill themselves then let Shepard die alone.

Not to mention (and I've been saying this since I completed my first playthrough), the Crucible is the galaxy's ONLY hope for defeating the Reapers. Either it works, or everyone is doomed. If it fails and you're going to die anyway, what's the point in leaving? You might as well stay and go down fighting.

[JedTed]

I think Ashley and Jack would get along pretty well.  I thought Ashley's comment about Jack was pretty dismissive, ME3 Jack is not the same person she was in ME2 and if Ash saw what Jack's done with those biotic students she'd understand that.

I wish that there was some confrontation between your LI from ME1 and ME2(if you cheated ofcorse), sort of like when Ash/Kai and Liara make you choose.  Tom Shepard still loves Ashley but when he met Jack he kind of saw her as fellow tortured soul(with Mindoir and Akuze he's seen almost as much death as her).  If i could express something like that in the game as my reason for cheating then that would make up for everything.

Gangsta914 wrote...

I started my ME1 play through about a month ago...just finished last night, I was unmotivated like you for the longest time lol. I'm also happy Ash didn't work for Cerberus, so I mean in a way its nice she isn't a squad mate but never the less it still sucks I see her once and then get one email later in the game

You got THIS.  I wish there was a way to patch that audio file into the game so you can hear it when u read her email.

[MegaBadExample]

This was in the leaked files about Jack, but surprise, surprise it got cut!

Ashley: You don't pick the shy types, do you Shepard?
Shepard: Clearly not.
Ashley: Despite everything I heard about her, Jack surprised me. Doing the teaching-thing... It's impressive, I gotta say.
Ashley: I'm sorry I didn't get to meet Jack. Just... curious, you know?
Ashley: Tough bunch down there. You're never really prepared for war, but... the kids did well. Broke my heart to see them fight.

[AmyMac]

@Gangsta ... my point is making choices like the VS and the fate of the council is what makes Mass Effect the superior game of the trilogy.
The other stories were shallow because they didn't have that. If given the choice, would you sacrifice Palaven to save Thessia? Or vice versa?
Oh well. Fanfiction.com, here I come...

[Gangsta914]

@JedTed Yeah, I've listened to that quite a few times...ok a crap load of times -.- lol. It definitely was nice and made it a little better that Ash wasn't in ME2. #AshFan4life I'm still hoping for some LI DLC. Doubt it will happen but eh, I can dream can't I?

@AmyMac Yeah, I never really thought about it like that. Good point. ME2 and 3 were missing that....I agree that if 2 and 3 had choices like that it would have been better. 

Anyways I'm off to bed. Work in the morning. Peace out everyone.

Modifié par Gangsta914, 31 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[LoneStarJedi]

I can imagine Ash not getting along with ME2 Jack, same as Wrex in ME. She'd just rub her the wrong way. But like Wrex, Jack matured and changed for the better. In ME3, she got past her own problems and is helping others like her. She has something she can believe in. Hell, she's even ready to fight and die to protect her students, it would seem. Definitely a Jack Ash would respect. Friends? Hmmm, maybe, with the more mature, responsible, caring Jack we see in the third game.

And hell yes to "Alliance Cheerleader"

[Ushanka]

Oh here was a talk about ME3's women's war assets. You recognized that even femshep's twins became MUCH bigger?
Well, "It's a Man's Man's Man's World". Good song actually. =)

[Sgt Reed 24]

MegaBadExample wrote...

This was in the leaked files about Jack, but surprise, surprise it got cut!

Ashley: You don't pick the shy types, do you Shepard?
Shepard: Clearly not.
Ashley: Despite everything I heard about her, Jack surprised me. Doing the teaching-thing... It's impressive, I gotta say.
Ashley: I'm sorry I didn't get to meet Jack. Just... curious, you know?
Ashley: Tough bunch down there. You're never really prepared for war, but... the kids did well. Broke my heart to see them fight.

Ashley dialogue... not making the cut? ... surely, you jest. 

[Sgt Reed 24]

AmyMac wrote...

Gangsta914 wrote...
I agree completely. I did want a happy ending though. I wanted to have a playthrough where my Shepard does die to save everyone he loves, but at the same time I wanted a playthrough where he could survive and be with his LI and friends/family. Mass Effect is all about choices, simple as that and to give us an ending that varies but very small differences then you failed the series. 

I don't even have faith in the EC, its not changing anything so what good is it. Regardless of how they explain the Normandy leaving Earth it won't help, at least for me. There is no way in hell Ash, Garrus, and everyone else would leave Shepard like that. It goes against everything Shepard and them have gone through. 

I got to thinking about this, and then I realized that the thing that made Mass Effect stand out in the series -- that made it stand out as a truly epic video game in general -- is that it presents you with two choices that require a sacrifice no matter what. Even if you do everything right, you have to leave Ash or Kaidan behind on Virmire. In the Battle of the Citadel, you have to choose to sacrifice human ships if you want to save the Destiny Ascension. Even if you do everything right, there will be casualties of war. Forgive the comparison to a simple-minded shooter, but it's kind of like in Modern Warfare when they blow up the bomb and SSgt Jackson dies -- no matter what you do, people still die.

The story of Mass Effect 2 was cool, and the Collector Base mission was all kinds of epic, IMO (partially because of Jack Wall's amazing soundtrack), but there was nothing that floored me the way the scene where Shepard's standing on the Virmire catwalk, chosing to save Kaidan or Ash did. I think that (and the conversation with the squad afterwards) might seriously be one of the most emotional moments in the whole series.

That is what Mass Effect 3 lacked. Sure, there's the Salarian/Krogan conflict and the Quarian/Geth conflict, but it's possible to get all four of those species on your side if you play your cards right. I wanted to have to let entire planets fall to the reapers to save others. I wanted (some) of my squadmates to die. Even if Shepard and his/her love interest both survive, wouldn't it be epic to, say, have Shep and Ash together on Palaven, mourning Garrus at the turian equivalent of a funeral?

I know what you mean and I agree completely...

I posted tons of times about this, trying to get bioware to heed the call, but do they listen to me? lol

Needed more decisions that mattered and needed more sacrifice since... it is an "ALL OUT GALACTIC WAR" ... oh and WAY more Ash moments. 

[CptData]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ha. I wish Data was online he's missing all the... side boob.

I had a great morning while catching up so ... thanks for thinking of me.

@ Danny: yes, I love Ashley. She's pretty much my dream type in character and appearance. So if she were real, I'd fall for her at the second she opens her mouth and talks to me in a flirty manner.

It won't happen. However, L'Etoile and the guy who designed her hit my taste at 110%, so to speak.

[Aurora313]

Great. Much as I love bantering with Data, now he's back I won't be focusing on my fanfic. I FINALLY got it started!

Now he's here, I'm gonna get distracted... T.T

... Hehe.... in the fic, I called Ash 'Gunny'... hehe... Aurora is amused...

Modifié par Aurora313, 31 mai 2012 - 07:35 .

[CptData]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

I'm on the fence about MP. Sure, I'd rather the resources be reallocated to the SP team. But only if they modify the whole war assets/EMS thing, because without MP I don't see how I can get my EMS score high enough for the "best" ending. What happens if I want to play ME3 again a year from now, and the MP community is dead?

As to the ending...with the state of the galaxy as it is -no mass relays, fleets stuck at Earth, worlds cut off- would having Shepard and Ash survive together (or whatever LI) really be a happy ending? It'd be better, but happy? What I mean is, they could have let us have an ending where we get to be with our LI, but still have everything else up in the air for the sake of drama. Stranding Ash was just salt in the wound.

Actually, ME3 is destined to die sooner or later.

ME1 can be played always - all they need is to "unlock" the game for action without internet connection. Afaik they did.

ME2 can be played without internet connection too. Same deal here - one day they could remove the requirements for that connection. Maybe you can't reactivate DLCs.

ME3 ... well. It does run without internet connection. but in that case you can't import your extra war assets. Also I think you can't reactivate any DLCs without that connection.

Well ... if EA decides to shut down the support for ME3, it's most likely dead.


And about the "happy ending" - there's none.
I guess we need to split up into "personal ending" and "global ending". The global ending will be always a sad one - you just can pick the levels of sadness. In worst outcome, mankind is destroyed, the victory fleet is destroyed, the Relays are gone (Destruction, lowest EMS). In best outcome the Relays are gone. Not sure, if the Geth truly died (Destruction Ending, highest EMS).

Personal ending is currently always sad - it's about the fate for Shepard and the crew. I hope BW will fix that issue and give us at least a happy personal ending - with Shepard, the LI and the crew. Sure, BOTH endings together are still sad. But at least they wouldn't feel so hopeless like they do now.

[MegaBadExample]

Sgt Reed 24 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

This was in the leaked files about Jack, but surprise, surprise it got cut!

Ashley: You don't pick the shy types, do you Shepard?
Shepard: Clearly not.
Ashley: Despite everything I heard about her, Jack surprised me. Doing the teaching-thing... It's impressive, I gotta say.
Ashley: I'm sorry I didn't get to meet Jack. Just... curious, you know?
Ashley: Tough bunch down there. You're never really prepared for war, but... the kids did well. Broke my heart to see them fight.

Ashley dialogue... not making the cut? ... surely, you jest. 

There's more where that came from, trust me.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Great. Much as I love bantering with Data, now he's back I won't be focusing on my fanfic. I FINALLY got it started!

Now he's here, I'm gonna get distracted... T.T

... Hehe.... in the fic, I called Ash 'Gunny'... hehe... Aurora is amused...

Won't keep you away from your job, know that?
And I love bantering with ya too ... great times, great times.

[MegaBadExample]

CptData wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Great. Much as I love bantering with Data, now he's back I won't be focusing on my fanfic. I FINALLY got it started!

Now he's here, I'm gonna get distracted... T.T

... Hehe.... in the fic, I called Ash 'Gunny'... hehe... Aurora is amused...

Won't keep you away from your job, know that?
And I love bantering with ya too ... great times, great times.

What about meh?

And sorry, Data. Side boobs all gone now.

[Sgt Reed 24]

What's this about a side boob?