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[Dannycni]

After seeing the scenes for all the endings and the arguements for them I honestly don't know why anyone would choose any other possibility apart from destroy. Now I dont want to start a big discussion about the endings and why each one should or could be chosen I simply say that because it seemed to me the only way to have any possibility of surviving and getting back to Ash and by that part of the game especially with them both going through so much and finally declaring love for each other and then the farewell scene all I wanted was for them to be able to be together.

I, like DWH, believe in my own ME universe that Shepard does survive and makes it back to Ashley no matter what BW tries to tell me. As General Melchett says in Blackadder Goes Forth:
'If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through'

Top pics



Shepard caring for Ashley at the start

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Shepard and Ashley together during



Ashley caring for Shepard at the end

Modifié par Dannycni, 31 mai 2012 - 11:40 .

[LoneStarJedi]

Favorite line? London, final goodbye.

"Aye aye, Captain."

[MegaBadExample]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

Favorite line? London, final goodbye.

"Aye aye, Captain."

Yeah, that was a special line, too.

"Feels like a thousand years since we met on Eden Prime." - Shepard and Ashley's history is one of the reasons why I like their relationship so much. They've been through hell together, and they've put each other through hell as well, but they don't give up - least mines didn't.

Also this line after the bomb mission: "I feel for him. I've lost a lot of men under my command. Doesn't matter if it's your fault or not... you always feel like you could have done better. That never goes away."

"So the geth had a few new tricks up their metal sleeves... Heard you were back in form blasting away flashlights down there." 

@Danny: Best top Ash ever. You did good, son. You did good.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 31 mai 2012 - 11:51 .

[Dannycni]

@Mega, thanks but don't say it like that please or I'll get tears again lol. Ashley and Sanders may both end up losing their men

[DWH1982]

@Danny: I like that progression of pics. One more reason I prefer Ash finding Shepard in the rubble at the end, and then cradling him as they wait for help - it's a good bookend. Shepard does that with Ash near the start of the game, on Mars, then she does that with him on Earth.

As for the endings, yeah, if i were ever inclined to do the "official" endings again, I'd go with destroy. Why?

1) I watched it on You Tube, and it just felt "right," compared to synthesis, which felt "wrong."

2) With synthesis, I'm forcing a dramatic change on every living and synthetic being in the galaxy. Because DNA is a fundamental building block of who we are, and may even influence our behavior, I don't feel I have the right to do that. Besides, Star Brat is either lying, or subject to some kind of programming error or logic flaw, because I'm pretty sure I worked with Legion and EDI without us destroying each other, and because I managed to bring peace to the geth and quarians. In short, I reject Star Brat's entire premise that synthetics and organics are bound to destroy each other. It's not something that Edwin Shepard would ever buy into, either. Finally, I also reject the idea that this is somehow "evolution." It's not how evolution works. I think Mordin Solus would would have problems with this kind of "evolution."

3) Control doesn't appeal to me because I don't really trust the catalyst anyway, and all other attempts to "influse" an organic with the Reapers or Reaper tech hasn't ended well. Also, Shepard has no idea what he'll be like after he's infused with the Reapers. What if he falls to their logic? Even if that doesn't happen immediately, how can I know what centuries of being "linked" to the Reapers will do with how Shepard thinks? Don't feel the risk is worth it.

In short, I feel sorry for the geth and EDI, but I also feel like destroy is the only way to make sure tha the galaxy is really safe long term, without forcing some phoney baloney idea of "evolution" on to every sentient being, whether they want it or not. The fact that, with high enough EMS (which I'll never have anyway - bah) it holds out the possiblity of Ash and Shepard reuniting is only an added bonus.

EDIT: Also, I should note - destroying the damn Reapers is what I've wnated to do since the first game. Not "control" them. Not "cause organics and synthetics to join." Just... destroy the damn Reapers. I think it's another reason watching the You Tube video felt a little more satisfying than the other endings.

Modifié par DWH1982, 01 juin 2012 - 12:04 .

[iHorizons]

@DWH1982
Ah yes "synthesis" the complete genetic rape of the entire galaxy, BW has not dismissed this claim.

@CptData
Its like BW oh **** we forget to add that one chick into the game! What's her name again? Alice? Alexandria? Liara? No it's Albert oh yeah let's go with that no one will notice, well it's not like she has fans anyway. TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Dannycni]

Yea it seemed to me that the natural thing to do was destroy even though I'd been playing a paragon play through up until then but just could not bring myself to do anything but destroy cause I felt it was the only hope for Shepard which means the only hope for Ashley too

Modifié par Dannycni, 01 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[Aurora313]

My favourite lines from Ashley? (Even cut ones)

"I don't know if I came back or simply died. I don't know if I'm the real John Shepard, or some incomplete copy. I don't know..."
"... Does it matter?"

"Screw those Cerberus freaks, you are you!"

"Permission to tear his head off!" - Yes Ashley, yes you may... after I gut him.

"I'm gonna regret this" [...] "Alright Skipper..."

And lest we forget. "Just Shup up and kiss me."

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[DWH1982]

"Just shut up and kiss me."

Yeah... like that one.

Modifié par DWH1982, 01 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[Aurora313]

@Synthesis

I always thought the final natural evolution of life was existing as energy. Not with nano machines so tiny they manipulate the individual's DNA. The Ultimate evolution of a Shepard-like cyborg, maybe, but not life as we know it. Besides, I'm convinced that if I picked that option, the Catalyst would also somehow rewrite the personalities of EVERYONE who was against synthetics (possibly including Ash, but since she fell in love with a half-synthetic man... er - we'll, just call her 'on the fence') to become more and more accepting of them. A mass indoctrination if you will. Aside from the fact the Catalyst pretty much orders you to play god and these are the only Options he's willing to present to you, its actually quite a BS way to go. Destroy is the best ending in my opinion, especially if the Indoctrination theory turns out factual.

[MegaBadExample]

Lest we forget: "I don't want you to go..."  

I never paid much attention to the endings. But Synthesis is something that will probably never happen in my game. It's changing humanity, right? Thought the reasons they were fighting was to save it, not change it.

That left me with two options: Destroy or control. At the time, I thought: "Well.. I don't want to control the reapers, I want to destroy them." That's that. There's no buts about it. I don't want them in the damn galaxy, I want them gone. If Shepard has to die for it, so be it. And I honestly didn't believe a word that came out of starbrat's mouth anyway. At that point, I just sat there like: "WTF?" because I honestly couldn’t believe a ghostly six year old was telling me all this. Starbrat completely killed the mood. I was getting teary during Anderson's death then the next thing… bam! Space magic.

Then it was just one thing after another. Normandy crashing, happy faces, 'Teh Shepard' then finally a note from Bioware: "Buy our DLC."

Hopefully the EC will explain all this a bit better, and by the looks of it, Shepard's going to be reunited with Ashley again. Well... we can hope. Maybe the voice actors were only recording for a DLC and not the EC.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 01 juin 2012 - 12:47 .

[Aurora313]

You set out to destroy from the getgo, and if you pick synthesis or control, it feels like you're betraying everything you'd done from the last three games. And the people you care for. No matter who Shepard is, he's still only a human whose will has been broken. There's no way the Reapers WOULDN'T try to do a list ditch attempt indoctrinate him.

[Dannycni]

Yea I'm still sceptical about the EC, I just don't think it can deliver what I want it to and give me the Shepard/Ashley re-union I so badly want. Who knows maybe everything will be ok, and I know I'm definately gonna get it, but I just can't help but feel I'm gonna be disappointed

[DWH1982]

The endings don't bother me as much anymore because I've become so used to not accepting them.

The Reapers are destroyed, at least the ones in this galaxy. The Citadel was never destroyed, nor were the mass relays, though the relays are messed up just a little bit.. Ash was with Shepard every day when he was in the hospital, and now they're together on Intai'sei. She helps with what's left of his physical (and mental) recovery, and every night they fall asleep holding each other.

Eventually they'll both be called back into active duty to deal with the criseses of the "new" galaxy. They'll serve together a few years, until Shepard takes a civilian diplomatic job on the Citadel. Ash keeps serving for a few years, but they get married, buy a place to live on the Citadel. Eventually Ash moves into an advisory position herself. They have kids. Eventually Shepard is put on the Council. They have a long life together. Etc.

Modifié par DWH1982, 01 juin 2012 - 01:03 .

[MegaBadExample]

Destroy is what my Shepard set out to do. The other two options sounds like some messed up thing Cerberus would try to pull off simply because they didn't want to waste that power. Why wouldn't you NOT want to destroy the reapers? That's the question.

But honestly? All the endings were crap.

I'm curious. What happens to the reapers if you pick synthesis? Nothing? They just turn good, or shut-down? As I said, I really haven't paid much attention to the endings, because as it stands nothing makes much sense, and nothing is a sure thing.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 01 juin 2012 - 01:02 .

[DWH1982]

The Reapers stop what they're doing and leave the galaxy, I guess because they no longer have any reason to "save organics from being destroyed by synthetics by destroying them."

Yeah. try to tell me the godd**n catalyst doesn't have logic problems.

Modifié par DWH1982, 01 juin 2012 - 01:06 .

[Aurora313]

@DWH

I like that headcanon. Problem is EC is going to cause another sh!t storm. And quite frankly, I'd watch the result on youtube, but only if I got my Ash content as a bonus.


Also, we spent the last two of three games PROVING IT WRONG! And we acn't throw its logic back in its face? WTF.

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 juin 2012 - 01:12 .

[MegaBadExample]

My Shepard is staying far away from politics after ME3, if he can. I believe his exact words were: "Politicians are the weeds of the galaxy." lol yup. He's not too fond of them, neither is Ash. He'll go somewhere quiet and recover slowly. Ash can stay with the Alliance and come and go as she pleases.

/My ending, minus starbrat

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 01 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[Aurora313]

My ending. Shepard retires from the Alliance (after being promoted to Fleet Admiral), but still gets a paycheck from the SpecTRes. They largely leave him to his own devices. Which for a few years is physical and emotional rehab... then? I dunno, Shepard'll keep his quarters on the Normandy while Ash assumes command and only intervenes when either Ashley askes him to, or when she gets into a snag.

My ending minus Starbrat, no relays, no citadel, no synthetics.

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 juin 2012 - 01:15 .

[DWH1982]

I want to look at more Ash:



I was SO happy when I got to see a skills selection screen for Ash for the first time in ME3. Meant she was part of the team again, and that just felt right.

Modifié par DWH1982, 01 juin 2012 - 01:19 .

[MegaBadExample]

Inferno grenade is rubbish, though.

But marksman I remember Bioware stating that her speciality was lethality. She drops bad-guys fast.

[DWH1982]

I enjoy watching enemies go up in flames, so I don't mind the inferno grenade. I also use inferno ammo. Like I did in ME2. Because I enjoyed hearing my enemies scream and seeing them dance around. 


But, yeah, if I could swap out Ash's skills, I'd probably give her frag grenades. They are better in general.

Modifié par DWH1982, 01 juin 2012 - 01:23 .

[LoneStarJedi]

I like to thank that by the time the galaxy goes into cleanup mode, Shepard, Ash, and the rest of the Normandy crew will be given free license to just "do their thing". The Alliance and Council both have enough faith in them to leave them to their own devices, roaming around solving problems. Shepard seems to thrive when he's just winging it, playing by his own rules.

[MegaBadExample]

DWH1982 wrote...

I enjoy watching enemies go up in flames, so I don't mind the inferno grenade. I also use inferno ammo. Like I did in ME2. Because I enjoyed hearing my enemies scream and seeing them dance around. 


But, yeah, if I could swap out Ash's skills, I'd probably give her frag grenades. They are better in general.

Yeah, when I played through on insanity, I needed James' frags. The way I played it was whenever I was
facing Cerberus I brought Liara/Ash, then whenever I was fighting reaper ground forces I brought James/Ash. Just switched them around depending on the enemy. Insanity was honestly too easy, though.

[Aurora313]

I haven't played through on insanity. Played the game once through on normal and after the Ending, I haven't felt compelled to play it again...