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[survivor_686]

DWH1982 wrote...

AmyMac wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
She doesn't deserve to be Lieutenant-Commander, IMO. Really, how did that happen? At most she should be 2nd Lieutenant.

And Kaidan doesn't deserve to be a Major either. Going up 3 officer ranks in 3 years is just as unlikely as an NCO becoming an officer -- a senior officer at that.
If anything, Kaidan should be Lcdr and Ash should be 1st or 2nd Lt.

Maybe the Alliance lost more officers during the war with the geth than we thought.

That is entirely possible. As far as we know the Battle of the Citadel was the Alliance's first major head-to-head, toe-to-toe confronation (with exception of Shanxi of course). Odds are the military took a beating, but it still came out on top. Its likely Alliance Command was willing to give Williams a second chance, given her performance and service history with Shepard.

[MegaBadExample]

JedTed wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

It also proves that Bioware never forgot about "skipper" when writing Ash. They just never included it.  WHY!? DAMN U WHY!? Really wished they kept some of this stuff in.

A simple one liner like "Hey Skipper!" which she says whenever you click on her would have satisfied me.

They've brought back a bunch of actors for the EC, including Mr. Sbarge so we can assume that Ms. Brooks also recorded a few extra lines for Ashley.  I just hope they have some substantial dialog and it's not all just throw away lines.

There's a good chance these dialogues were all recorded. In fact, I'm certain they were. They just got scrapped.

[DWH1982]

One last dialouge for today.




Ash: Come on. You’re on the Citadel. There are shops everywhere. Just buy some skin lotion, already. That rash looks horrible.

Shepard: No. That stuff’s for sissies. I’ve been through this before, anyway. It’s a reaction to alien plant life. I’ll be good in a few days.

Ash: At least stop scratching it. It only makes it worse.

Shepard: I don’t scratch it. I… gently rub it.

Ash: Uh huh. Oh look. Shepard, it’s bleeding again.

Shepard: *puts napkin to his face* It’s not a big deal.

Ash: Yeah. That’s it. We’re going back to the Normandy. You’re seeing Doctor Chakwas. And you’re putting some damn lotion or something on that.
 

Modifié par DWH1982, 02 juin 2012 - 03:44 .

[MegaBadExample]

BP93 wrote...

AmyMac wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
She doesn't deserve to be Lieutenant-Commander, IMO. Really, how did that happen? At most she should be 2nd Lieutenant.

And Kaidan doesn't deserve to be a Major either. Going up 3 officer ranks in 3 years is just as unlikely as an NCO becoming an officer -- a senior officer at that.
If anything, Kaidan should be Lcdr and Ash should be 1st or 2nd Lt.

In short, Bioware didn't put a whole lot of thought into the ranks.

Ha, Bioware didn't even think through their endings - and they weren't gonna.... until we made them.

Yeah... it kinda all fell apart when Mac took over as lead writer. The ranks are just one of the many things.

[DWH1982]

For what it's worth, I understand the dark matter ending - which everyone seems to feel would have been better - was actually ditched when Drew K was still part of the team. They just made the decision too late to remove all the references from ME2.

[MegaBadExample]

I always laugh during the love scene if you play as a renegade. It's like the terminator looking at Ashley and she just smiles...

Liked the dialogue, DWH. Does Anybody have anymore screenshots of the date scene?

[Aurora313]

*Shepard has had about 2 bottles of ryncol at this point*

Shepard: Now, you know I'm not an unreasonable guy.
Ashley: Yeah, of course.
Shepard: I'm probably one of the most reasonable compassionate men in the galaxy. And I'm not saying that to blow my own trumpet.
Ashley: Yes on the first part, liar for the second.
Shepard: Ok, yes I am. But is it so unreasonable to ask for one tiny little thing?
Ashley: Apparently, according to our bosses, yes it is.
Shepard: And I'm not even asking for anything much! I just want one night off. No rebuilding the galaxy, no playing nice in some boardroom. Just One night, one night of cheesy romantic dinners and movies with my girl. Is that too much to ask?
Ashley: John. I KNOW. I'm painfully aware of that. You haven't even touched me in six weeks because of the piles of crap they're stacking on you. I have my needs too!
Shepard: Exactly my point! Why can't I just get one night! Hell, I'd settle for six hours! Or even one!
Ashley: Here. Have another shot.
Shepard: *downs it.* Our jobs suck...
Ashley: They do suck.
Shepard: We should just tell 'em to f*ck off and leave me alone.
Ashley: You're the galaxy's hero. They won't leave you alone.
Shepard: *miserable* I know.
Ashley: Another one?
Shepard: I want another one.
Ashley: Here's another one.
Shepard: *faceplant on bartop*... I hate my job.
Ashley: *rubs his back.* I know.
Shepard: Our bosses suck.
Ashley: I know.

Modifié par Aurora313, 02 juin 2012 - 07:42 .

[Ushanka]

@Aurora
Ha-ha, exactly what I wanted! But Shepard here is not so... dangerous to society, I mean, after drinking. I suppose he can be sad, happy or in rage after drinking, randomly.

[Aurora313]

He started angry, ended up miserable. My Shepard dislikes drinking because it makes him so miserable. Yet, he oddly doesn't get hungover. (Not so oddly, thanks to Laz-Liver)

[Ushanka]

Shepard is a tuff drinker. I think he has resistance to alcohol before Lazarus Project. I know some people who can drink giant doses and stay on their feet, don't know what's affect on this.

[Cossack72]

DWH1982 wrote...

For what it's worth, I understand the dark matter ending - which everyone seems to feel would have been better - was actually ditched when Drew K was still part of the team. They just made the decision too late to remove all the references from ME2.

Care to PM it to me? I mean I've heard about it, but I haven't really read in-depth what it would've been.

[Aurora313]

Basically it boiled down to two options:
Let humanity become a disgusting Gesalt abomination and allow the cycle to continue, or take their chances with the tiny amount of time they had left to solve the problem of dark matter exploding suns.

[CptData]

Waiter: Ma'am - did you pick your choice already?
Shepard: She's still looking for a meal.
Waiter: Whoa ... what the ... what happened to your face, Sir? Car accident?
Shepard: I ran into a Cerberus Assassin lately, causing my car to crash.
Waiter: Well, Sir, with all due respect, but ... yikes!
Shepard: You get used to. All you need is a stapler and pain killers.
Ashley: Is it about your face, Skipper?
Shepard: Yeah.
Ashley: You really should get it fixed by Dr. Chakwas. Last night, when we were kissing, your nose almost fell off.
Waiter: He's your boyfriend?
Ashley: Yes ... ?
Waiter: Well, if that helps, I could mash my face - maybe then I have better luck with the girls then ...
Shepard: This is totally unasked-for ...
Waiter: Sorry, Sir. Have you choosen your meal, Ma'am?
Ashley: Skipper, we leave. That guy is creepy.
Shepard: Definitely. Keep the change.
Waiter: You didn't pay anything, ... oh ... you were talking about the piece of your cheek that fell off.
Shepard: You're right, Ash - time to see the Doc ...

[Aurora313]

AHAHA! Oh god. Shepard is the frankenstien monster! Hah. Cute.

I love it.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Basically it boiled down to two options:
Let humanity become a disgusting Gesalt abomination and allow the cycle to continue, or take their chances with the tiny amount of time they had left to solve the problem of dark matter exploding suns.

Interesting fact: my headcanon expands the dark energy / matter plot to a point where Shepard has to revive the Reapers for their knowledge dealing the that dark energy issue. In the long run, one of Shepard's friends gets sacrificed and becomes the link between organic lifeforms and the Reapers - which are then virtually under control of the organics again.

But hey, that's hard work till I reach that point in my headcanon 
It's Shepley too.

Modifié par CptData, 02 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[Dannycni]

Don't want to interupt your dark energy discussion but thought I'd welcome in the new day by posting a pic

[Aurora313]

I'm just curious how that would work, Data.

G'Evening, Danny

[CptData]

It works, Aurora. However, even in that headcanon I can't find a "happy ending" - at least not in a way you would expect.

Let's say, the Reapers are the key to solve the dark energy issue in our galaxy ... and maybe they find a way: what's with the rest of the universe? Hmm?

Exactly. And not even Shepard and Ashley can do anything against it. In the long run, everything is futile ...

[Aurora313]

My headcanon which follows the Indoctrination Theory, Destroy was the way to go to break it. And the whole indoctrination thing starts just as Shepard and Anderson sit there, a little after the latter passes. Upon docking with the Citadel, the Crucible blows the Reapers to hell and sends the relays out of whack. They aren't destroyed but in laymen's terms, someone needs to press the interstellar reset button.

The worlds start to rebuild yes, but civil war quickly errupts over resources, and old conflicts start coming to life. Krogans starting to hate Turians again. Salarians plotting to dominate humans, Asari too crippled to support anything and humanity just barely holding together. It becomes an interplanetary civil war and everyone wants Shepard and the Normandy on their side. Shepard's been in hiding somewhere (*coughs Gilligan's planet Cough*) since the war recovering. So they focus on his biggest berserk button - his crew. Find the crew, find Shepard.

Sh*t happens and Shepard gets back into action.

[survivor_686]

DWH1982 wrote...

For what it's worth, I understand the dark matter ending - which everyone seems to feel would have been better - was actually ditched when Drew K was still part of the team. They just made the decision too late to remove all the references from ME2.

The Dark Matter ending makes the same mistake as the "ascension" ending.

Both introduce new ideologies to already established characters (the Reapers are a cthulesque horror whose motivations are a mystery).

Both contradict the previous actions of the characters (the Reapers seem quite happy using Mass Relay technology, despite it being proven to be danger in the "Dark Matter" ending....and seeding it all over the galaxy).

Both reek of Diablos Ex Machina. A cheap technique used to provide a solution or destruction to the current scenario out from the left field.

Sad thing is that the more I think about the ending, the more I realize that parts of ME3 don't make sense.

Why didn't anyone adopt the Thanix canon wholesale? Why did Legion all of sudden become keen on incorporating Reaper technology? Why isn't there a third Normandy (I completed UNC Minerals)? Why aren't all the key side arcs not even referenced (Especially the Javelin missiles arc)? What happened to Vido Santiago? Why did the Quarians all of a sudden grab the idiot ball? Why is it that Liara all of sudden feels happy, trapeizing into my room? Why does Ashley get so little screen time, in comparsion to Liara?

[DWH1982]

My head canon uses a variation of the dark matter theme. The science probably isn't right (not a science guy) but I enjoy my idea anyway.

The dark matter expansion is actually caused by a race of hostile aliens trying to break into our universe from an alternate universe that is slowly dying. It's a by product of their efforts.

The galaxy spanning civilization that originally created the Reapers faught an extended war with them. The Reapers were their last ditch effort to win. Unlike most civilizations in galactic history, they had long since acheived peace between organics and synthetics. The Reapers were the "real" synthesis, essentially the sacrafice of entire nations of people into an organic/machine hybrid to fight the invaders and seal them back into their own universe.

They won, but, unfortunately, the invaders continued trying to invade. Every 50,000 years or so, dark matter begins to rapidly expand again as a result of their efforts. Entire suns die off as a by product. So, every 50,000 years, the Reapers are forced to beat back the invaders efforts and keep them sealed in their own universe. The Reapers set up the mass relay systems so they could "harvest" new civilizations to add to their numbers. New species also added to their abilities, and they hoped this would one day allow them to completely solve the breach with the alternate universe, rather than merely combatting it.

Every cycle, a few invaders manage to successfully transit through a breach. Usually the Reapers find them and kill them. However, several cycles ago, an invader that made it into our universe planted the first seeds for the idea of building the crucible. Although that invader was killed, knowledge of the crucible was passed down through multiple cycles, and each time it was expanded upon and improved. The crucible was finally finished and fired in the current cycle, killing the Reapers - but without the galaxy having any knowledge of the invaders.

That's more or less the situation that Edwin Shepard and Ash find themselves in after the Reaper war. There are a lot of problems and strife that are caused simply by the state of the galaxy, but there are signs that a new alien threat is emerging as well. Shepard slowly begins to unravel that. In addittion, many of the indoctrinated are still under the control of the Reapers, who maintain a link even in death. A few of them make a desperate attempt at setting up a base to build a new Reaper. Shepard stops them, but it's there that he figures out what the Reapers were trying to do in the first place.

The idea probably is full of its own plot holes, but I like the element of "nice job breaking it, hero." This story would also play out over 100-150 years, so Shepard would spend some of his time dealing with things as a diplomat or on the Council, and it would ultimately be resolved after he's dead, based on the foundations that he helps to lay.

Modifié par DWH1982, 02 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[CptData]

Aurora, if you really want to set up a galaxy in struggle, I'd like to suggest something different:

- Krogan / Turian Alliance
Since their issues finally got solved

- Salarians
Pretty much blamed for their non-helping attitude in the Reaper War. Since Dalatress Linron is the new leader of the Salarians, things get rough.

- Asari
Also getting blamed for not sharing Prothean tech on Thessia. 'though there's no war brewing, a lot of distrust issues drive deep rifts between former allies.

- Humans
The Alliance is pretty much destroyed - nearly eighty percent of former territory is lost or separated. The remaining "core sectors" are still powerful - but far less than before. The Alliance is in good terms with the Krogans and Turians. There is a also a cold peace with the Batarian remnants.

- Quarians and Geth
Returned to their old space, cutting most ties to galactic society.

- Volus
Remain with the Turians

- Elcor
Becoming part of the Alliance - being the first non-human species directly under influence of humans.

- others
Details

So to speak.

Modifié par CptData, 02 juin 2012 - 01:39 .

[DWH1982]

CptData wrote...

Aurora, if you really want to set up a galaxy in struggle, I'd like to suggest something different:

- Krogan / Turian Alliance
Since their issues finally got solved

- Salarians
Pretty much blamed for their non-helping attitude in the Reaper War. Since Dalatress Linron is the new leader of the Salarians, things get rough.

Heh. In my head canon, both the krogan and the salarians end up in full scale civil war.

The krogan end up in a conflict between Wrex's reformers and "traditionalists." Ultimately, the reformers will win, with the backing of the females, but the war will last centuries, and divides the krogan while the galaxy is facing bigger threats.

In the case of the salarians, most of the STG is bitter with Linron over abandoning traditional allies. A move against Linron is made, but the STG itself is divided. There's a "stealth" war that lasts for years, and leads to much of the STG being decimated. A new house eventually rises to power, but the salarian's legendary intelligence gathering capability is significantly damaged, again hurting their ability to deal with larger threats.

[CptData]

DWH, tbh, one of the chapters I have under developlemt, regardless of the endings in ME3 (old / new) is dealing with an attempt on Linron.

It's led by Major Kirrahe. ^^

[DWH1982]

One of the early ANN updates suggested that the STG plays a role in domestic salarian politics.

I thought for sure one of the missions after the quarians/geth would deal with an attempted coup within the salarian union. Had I been writing the game, we would have had one.

Basic summary:
~You get a message from the salarian councilor, worrying about indocrinated officials within the SU
~You go to Sur'Kesh, and find the situation deteriorating rapidly. Linron is threatening to pull the salarians from the Council and yank all remaining support for the war effort - including allied access to critical fuel depots
~You meet with Kirrahe, who discusses plans within the STG for a coup. The STG is divided however, Also, upon meeting with the leader of Linron's strongest rival, it becomes clear that she's corrupt, blood thirsty, and would impose a police state
~After rooting out the indocrinated agents, Dalatrass Linron is still not cooperative. With enough paragon or renegade skills, she's no longer willing to completely abandon the Salarians' allies, and will provide nominal tech support for building the Crucible. But she is still bent on severly restricting access to salarian space, in the hope that the Reapers will ignore the salarians
~At this point, you have an option: Either signal Kirrahe to impliment the coup (Renegade), or accept Linron's decision (Paragon).
~With the coup, you gain the full support of the salarian fleets and intelligence network, plus the tech team for the crucible, regardless of how you solved the krogan situation. However, the new salarian leader is substantially corrupt, and it's hinted that, in time, she will drive the SU into the ground.
~If you choose to leave Linron in power, you gain the salarian tech team for the crucible, as well as whatever salarian support you had prior to the mission. However, you take a substantial hit to EMS as much of salarian space is closed to allied forces, forcing them to go elsewhere for repair and refuel.

I like it because it actually provides a decision where doing the "right thing" causes pain. I generally like how they implimented paragon/renegade, because most renegade decisions do alienate people and generally mean acting like an a**. But sometimes in life you have to make "hard" decisions, even if it means doing something "drity" for the greater good.

I think Javik's response to a paragon Shepard who makes the tough decision to overthrowh the SU govt would be particularly worth hearing.

You thought you could win this war with your "honor" intact. Do not concern yourself with petty concepts such as "honor." Honor does not matter. Individual governments do not matter. Individual politicians do not matter. All that matters is defeating the Reapers.

EDIT: More Ash needed.



Looks like Shepard and Ash are enjoying a relaxing Saturday morning. Wonder if it's on Intai'sei, just after the war, or after they've settled down together on the Citadel.

Modifié par DWH1982, 02 juin 2012 - 02:03 .