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[survivor_686]

DWH1982 wrote...

Yeah, the big problem with something like that is, in fact, that you would almost have seperate games.

I do, however, think we should have at least had a few entirely different priority missions depending on decisions that were made in previous games. Not for all decisions, but a few. Like, maybe you have priority missions dealing with the Rachni regardless of whether you spare the queen in ME1, but depending on how you made that decision they're an entirely different series of missions on an entirely different set of planets (circumstances are different - "original queen" versus Reaper "clone queen").

I also think the Council coup should have worked that way. If you have a human dominated Council, Udina should have taken advantage of this and had the Council invite Cerberus in. Then instead of stopping a coup, you have to lead a coup against the Council yourself.

Actually if you save the Reaper Clone...a few missions later she backstabs you and slashes your Alliance Engineering assets to half. Saving the "good" queen gives a boost to your war assets meter that extremely few other characters can compare to.

But yeah what was lacking in ME3 was the emotional feedback you got from your decisions. Saving or destroying the collector base had less of an emotional impact than decisions in ME1.

Sacrficice the DA:
- Nearly every other alien you interact in the Citadel is major d*ck towards your. You get on unoque side quest, but othere than that everyone is suscpicious of you.

Save the DA:
- Every alien on the citadel is either in awe of you or wants to name their child after you. The Turian shopkeepr is a major example of this

Sparing Wrex:
- You get Wrex on Tuchanka and the Krogan seem to respect you more

Killing Wrex:
- You get Wreav whom barely keeps the Krogan from killing you.

Choice of Councillor:
- Anderson =  get back Spectre status
- Udina = No Spectre status

Saving or Destroying the Collector Base:
- umm...a 10 point difference on the war assets scale?

In an ideal world, saving the collector base would have meant Ashley being more suscpicious to you, Alliance soldiers being distinctly cold in their interactions with you. In a perfect world, we would have seen Cerberus troops sporting collector inspired armour and having collector style skills (aka: a minature version of harbinger's ability).

In an ideal world, destroying the collector base would have meant Ashley more likely to be friendly with you and Alliance troops being more friendly with you. On the other hand Cerberus troops would start introducing more "shocktroops" (guys whom pack on the armour and try to overload your shields) or more tech based enemies.

In an ideal world, Shepley would get a romance scene similar to the Liara scene.

[survivor_686]

Top of page Ash

[Ushanka]

BioWare told, that they have giant number of ideas. Only problem, that they need resources to realize it. And you all know who assumed direct control.

[CptData]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

I'll never understand why anyone would cheat on Ashley. Sure, I know those other women are tempting...

But that's what additional playthroughs are for!

Don't ask me. I can't see any reason why to cheat on Ash, but I can see a bazillion reasons why to leave another woman for Ashley *g*


I found her sexy BEFORE Ash had open hair!

DEM EYES!

[survivor_686]

CptData wrote...

LoneStarJedi wrote...

I'll never understand why anyone would cheat on Ashley. Sure, I know those other women are tempting...

But that's what additional playthroughs are for!

Don't ask me. I can't see any reason why to cheat on Ash, but I can see a bazillion reasons why to leave another woman for Ashley *g*


I found her sexy BEFORE Ash had open hair!

DEM EYES!

Save to say half the forum found her sexy before the open hair. Great minds think alike.

[DWH1982]

I wouldn't have minded at all if her hair was still in a bun.

Edwin Shepard feels the same way. It reminds him of when they met.

Never understood the people who thought Ash was "ugly." She was very practical in the way she dressed because she was a marine. You could always tell how attractive she was. I always knew she'd turn heads if she went out for a night out on the town or on a date, and didn't have to dress so practical.

[Dannycni]

Well the reason I cheated on my first play through of ME2 was because I didn't know if I'd ever have Ashley back on my squad again cause I didn't have a clue what ME3 would hold and when I finished ME2 I don't know if any details had even been released about ME3. Plus I started to find Tali really fascinating and as my ME2 run through went on I flirted with her more and more.

But after staying loyal to Ash every time since that first run through I don't think I'd ever cheat on her again, or be able to cause I wouldn't want to miss the scenes she has with Shepard as an LI, even though I have save slots from before those moments so I could replay them whenever I want.

And yea I get sick of the people who say how hot Ashley now is as if she wasn't before!

http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

Modifié par Dannycni, 03 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[Ushanka]

Like my friend said:
"Maybe she wasn't hot, but at least better than Liara".

[CptData]

Ushanka wrote...

Like my friend said:
"Maybe she wasn't hot, but at least better than Liara".

Well I said:

"Maybe she's not the most beautiful woman in the galaxy, but she definitely has something I find really attractive and incredible tempting."

Never had to compare Ash to another one of the ME ladies. She's perfect.

[LoneStarJedi]

Not everyone can differentiate between natural attractiveness and sexiness. Ash in the first game was not sexy, IMO. Hair in a simple bun, no make up, wearing military fatigues and combat boots. And you know what? We all fell for her anyway. She was good looking for sure, but it was her character that drew us in.

Now, she's got visual sex appeal, to draw in players new to the series I guess. And I've made my peace with that. I'l always have Eden Prime and that pink armor.

[Dannycni]

Yea I would agree she isn't classicaly sexy but I think she's still hot and they try to make her 'sexy' in ME3 when she didn't need it. I won't complain about her new look though
Her old Phoenix armour was great I really liked it compared to her armour in ME3

[Ushanka]

Well, Ash is not perfect, everybody have their own disadvantages. Nobody's perfect, right?

[Dannycni]

This is the general consensus regarding Ashley.


Now it may be true, or it may have some reality to it but I don't agree at all that the photo on the left is any less attractive and to me personally I definately prefer her in combat in the left than the right

Modifié par Dannycni, 03 juin 2012 - 08:53 .

[DWH1982]

survivor_686 wrote...

In an ideal world, destroying the collector base would have meant Ashley more likely to be friendly with you and Alliance troops being more friendly with you. On the other hand Cerberus troops would start introducing more "shocktroops" (guys whom pack on the armour and try to overload your shields) or more tech based enemies.

I actually wouldn't have minded having several extra things factor in to how friendly Ash is with you.

Keeping or destroying the collector base should have been one (and it should have impacted what Cerberus forces were like).

I also continue to think that it would be a good way to factor in the decision you make in that N7 Cerberus data mission from ME2, as well. I was thinking something like this:

1. Hand the data over to the Alliance in ME2: You gain extra EMS in ME3 because allied forces have a trove of information on Cerberus operations. You also have the option of saying to Ash on Mars, "Ash, when I was working with Cerberus, I handed sensitive data to the Alliance. Feel free to ask Hackett." If you pick this option, it adds +2 to Ash's trust in you, and she mentions in the hospital that she checked on this and found it to be true.

2. Keep the data in ME2: No extra dialouge option available with Ash on Mars. However, when visiting the Spectre terminal on the Citadel for the first time, you get a notice that says something along the lines of "Allied forces are coming under regular Cerberus attack. You are holding a Cerberus data packet that could provide useful intel on Cerberus operations, should you make it availble to Alliance intelligence." Choosing to do so will give you the same EMS as in option one. Ash will also mention that she heard you turned over "valuable intel" when you visit her in the hospital later, though it only adds +1 to her trust because it seems like you might only be doing it out of expedience.

3. Hand the data over to Cerberus in ME2: Recovering the data sparks a review in security protocols for Cerberus, making it harder for allied operatives to infiltrate their organization. This costs you EMS in ME3. No extra dialouge with Ash on Mars, but after she becomes a Spectre, she uncovers information that indicates you helped Cerberus plug a security leak last year. This lowers her trust by 2 points, and creates a new line of dialouge where she's uncertain about you during the standoff during the coup.

Not perfect, and still not the impact I was expecting that mission to have, but at least it's something, instead of just forgetting it ever happened.

[LoneStarJedi]

Great comparison Danny. That's kinda my point though, there's a difference between what we as individuals are attracted to and what's made to look sexy. The pic on the left is of a strong, capable woman who's also damn good looking. The one on the right is more a damn good looking woman, who happens to be strong and capable. More or less a Miranda type, IMO*. I also prefer the original Ash, as I think it better reflects her character. The character I was immediately attracted to on my very first playthrough.

*Disclaimer: not a slight against Miranda! It's a valid character type, and I like her as well. Just not as much as the Chief.

[Ushanka]

Don't know, but really, Ash reminds me sometimes cute cat.

[DWH1982]

Dannycni wrote...


Now it may be true, or it may have some reality to it but I don't agree at all that the photo on the left is any less attractive and to me personally I definately prefer her in combat in the left than the right

Yeah. I loved the way she looked in ME1 and ME2.

I wish we could have asked her about why she changed her look when we talked to her in ME3. Especially her hair.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Dannycni wrote...

This is the general consensus regarding Ashley.


Now it may be true, or it may have some reality to it but I don't agree at all that the photo on the left is any less attractive and to me personally I definately prefer her in combat in the left than the right

That pic would've been fair if it didn't show Ash in armour in the first pic, she has armour too in ME3...Still I guess the point remains.

I"m not so much bothered with her looking sexier, Ash could feel like doing that in my mind if she has a good reason to, but what I don't like is how they didn't bother explaining it, why would Shepard be completely oblivious of her different outfit? We don't have a basis on which we can understand why she would change outfit, further more it's not exactly taking into consideration she's in the army.

It's details, but every detail they forget to fill in detracts from my immersion, it shows a lack of care. They really didn't consider her character with this change of outfit, they just did it to give her more sex appeal. I can fit it into the character, but I shouldn't be the one to fill that gap in, Bioware should've thought of it and let Shepard ask.

It saddens me that they didn't, and that it's not just Ashley's outfit that has this problem either.

[DWH1982]

I feel like substance has taken a hit with each new ME game. The lack of explanation for Ash's change in appearance is just one case.

[Dannycni]

LoneStar, as you said I think they tried to make Ashley more noticeably sexy like they did with Miranda. I mean I don't know what the ME obsession is with making any and all female characters into sex idols with either their breast or behinds on obvious show. I mean it's not the worst thing they could have done but still

Ashley's attractiveness is definately a more subtle one than most characters in ME1 and 2 and I think alot of what makes her attractive and so great is her personality. She's still hot though and I think she really suits both her combat armour and her casual Normandy attire in ME1

They way she looks in ME1 and 2 makes her look like she is a proper military girl but ME3 I thought she looked almost more like a mercenary as she now has a complete new look and different less military looking armour etc

Modifié par Dannycni, 03 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[DWH1982]

I thought her armor in ME3 looked fine. In fact, I prefer the colors (Alliance blue) over her white and pink armor in ME1 (pink... yuck).

Her "on ship" uniform did seem to sex it up a bit, though. I have to wonder why Ash had a different uniform than the rest of the crew?

Modifié par DWH1982, 03 juin 2012 - 10:05 .

[Dannycni]

I don't know what it was about her ME1 armour but I really liked it, maybe it was the feminine touch to it I'm not sure. I take your point though about ME3 being more Alliance coloured but I just felt ME1 seemed more militaristic

^That is very pretty pic though DWH

Modifié par Dannycni, 03 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[DWH1982]

Having her in white and pink armor in ME1 bothered me.

Did her entire unit wear white and pink armor? Or just the women? Or just her?

I couldn't get her out of the stuff fast enough. Though to be fair, I always say that about Ash, no matter what she's wearing.

Modifié par DWH1982, 03 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[CptData]

DWH1982 wrote...

I feel like substance has taken a hit with each new ME game. The lack of explanation for Ash's change in appearance is just one case.

Well, at some point they changed the lead writer.

Mac may be a good writer, but he definitely was not the best choice for that position. Heck with it, I bet I can find someone here on BSN being able to do a better job. ME2 invented the plot-length plothole, ME3 IS a plothole

Storywise, ME1 was the best. ME2 was fine, ME3 lacks something BEFORE the endings and I can't put my finger at ...

[Dannycni]

Well I also changed her out of her pink armour quite quick in my first play through of ME1 but that was due to wanting to give her more protection in battle cause I brought her on almost every one.

I would have loved a conversation about her new look with Shepard as you guys have said but I only imagine they didn't include anything like that cause they wouldn't have thought people would really care why she is different. I would even have settled for over hearing a conversation about her new look with maybe Tali or Liara, sort of girl talk.

@CptData, would it be a feeling of being rushed? That's what I got from the game and I will exclude the endings from this cause they have their own probelms. But I just felt the game was lacking in the sense that it literally was lacking content and so that made it a less complete game and so it wasn't as good story line wise as ME1 or 2

Modifié par Dannycni, 03 juin 2012 - 10:18 .