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[Dannycni]

DWH1982 wrote...

They could just be recording narrative for what their lives are like after the end.

Not sure I want to know how long it took Ash to get over Shepard, or what life is like on Gilligan's planet.

Man I hope this isn't the case, you see if the dialogue talks with a broken hearted, depressed Ashley, I don't think I'd be able to cope with that  That would actually send me into a depressed state myself

Edit: Top Ash

Modifié par Dannycni, 04 juin 2012 - 12:21 .

[lil yonce]

MegaBadExample wrote...

One recording session should have covered it all, though.

I think Bioware will just say that Gilligan's island was Shepard's dream. If the Normandy crashed in a jungle it should be a smoking wreck, and Ashley shouldn't be smiling like she couldn't be happier.

Is it always your love interest which comes out of the airlock?

Y'know, I don't think the Gilligan's Island ending was so bad. With his life, Shepard delivered his family on the Normandy to a "New World". An unblemished, picturesque, jungle world, where organic life thrives. A peaceful world, one free of Reaper threat. Something we haven't seen all game. The people he cared for most, the people who had put him in position to end the Reaper threat over the course of three years, this was the result of their labor. Hope. A New World. A Better World. That's why they're smiling. It's symbolic. Symbolic at the expense of realism, maybe, but still symbolic. I get what Walters was going for, at least.

I don't think it's superficial. This was not about the Normandy Crew crash landing on some unknown planet to become the new "Gilligan's Island". I think that's an unfair analysis.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 04 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[survivor_686]

JedTed wrote...

I too think Ashley is a naked sleeper, if not totally then maybe just with panties.

I don't have to see any nipples but i don't see what's wrong with a little side boob. God damn you Fox News for making people so uptight about nudity.

And there you have it. More likely the Bioware did it to satisfy the "concerned parents" if Ashley was nude at any point.

Which is odd concerning its a mature game, Liara goes completely nude (at least implied to be). Addtionally Witcher 2 goes full out for it loves scenes...and its also a mature game.

[MegaBadExample]

Apparently both VA's still have to do MORE ME3 recordings.

Damn it. I've felt a spark of hope.

I always wanted a sad ending, but I also wanted a happy one... I don't count the original ending as neither. But if we get more Ash, that's good, right! Bioware better not cut her sh*t again.

@Youth; But they all just left Shepard! God damn cowards.  It's not an ending I liked at all. It didn't fit with ME, IMO. I know some people liked the ending, but I would've been a lot happier if Shepard simply died beside Anderson and that was that. No space-magic, or any of that crap which happens afterwards.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 04 juin 2012 - 12:29 .

[survivor_686]

Youth4Ever wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

One recording session should have covered it all, though.

I think Bioware will just say that Gilligan's island was Shepard's dream. If the Normandy crashed in a jungle it should be a smoking wreck, and Ashley shouldn't be smiling like she couldn't be happier.

Is it always your love interest which comes out of the airlock?

Y'know, I don't think the Gilligan's Island ending was so bad. With his life, Shepard delivered his family on the Normandy to a "New World". An unblemished, picturesque, jungle world, where organic life thrives. A peaceful world, one free of Reaper threat. Something we haven't seen all game. The people he cared for most, the people who had put him in position to end the Reaper threat over the course of three years, this was the result of their labor. Hope. A New World. A Better World. That's why they're smiling. It's symbolic. Symbolic at the expense of realism, maybe, but still symbolic. I get what Walters was going for, at least.

I don't think it's superficial. This was not about the Normandy Crew crash landing on some unknown planet to become the new "Gilligan's Island". I think that's an unfair analysis.

If its symbolism, it out of place in the series. Mass Effect has always had subtle symbolism. Waking up due to Lazarus project, recruiting Archangel, going to the Afterlife bar, assembling twelve new recruits. Saving the Destiny Ascenion (see what they did there?). Fighting/ working for Cerberus (a dog which guards the gates of hell). Becoming a Spectre? These are all attempts at suble symbolism.

Dumping survivors on an unknown planet is not subtle symbolism. Its the literary equivalent of smashing a hammer on a delicately arranged crystal piece, in order to symbolize a new project. Its heavy handed, clumsy and out of place in the situation.

Perhaps it a testament to the writers of the series that even a screwed up ending hasn't caused me to dump Mass Effect series and declare the whole thing a waste.

[DWH1982]

Ashley's end dialouge:

Life after the destruction of the mass relays was hard. With no easy intersteller travel, it took years for the reminants of the Alliance to rescue us from the planet we crashed on. Between our supplies and the native food, most of the crew managed to survive. The deaths, however, will always haunt me: Watching Garrus and Tali starve to death. Watching Joker die when we ran out of his medication. Watching EDI shut off as the Normandy ran out of power.

When we were finally rescued, discovering the state of the galaxy was nearly as bad as being stranded. The galaxy is in a new dark age. The Alliance no longer exists. And without the resources of the galaxy at its disposal, Earth has not been able to rebuild and has turned into a festering hell hole. The krogan that helped us fight the Reapers and retake the planet turned out to be a curse in the years after the war. Many of them became trapped, unable to get back to Tuchanka, and upon disposing of Urdnot Wrex, turned to fighting among themselves and setting up their own personal kingdoms, using humans as slaves and food.

I'm holed up with the survivors, in one of the free zones on the planet. We come under constant attack, both from the krogan, and from human raiders. Many of the survivors envy the dead.

I thought about Shepard every day for years. Between losing Shepard and losing all contact with my family, I might have become overwhelmed with depression, were it not for the need to constantly struggle for survival. Eventually I realized that I had to move on, and gave up on finding someone who made me feel the way that he did. I settled for an Alliance marine who was also stranded on Earth, a decent man, but more of out  of loneliness and the need to have some measure of connection in this entire mess than out of genuine love.

That seem about right? 

Modifié par DWH1982, 04 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[survivor_686]

Went on another ending rant. Here have some Ash

[survivor_686]

DWH1982 wrote...

Ashley's end dialouge:

Life after the destruction of the mass relays was hard. With no easy intersteller travel, it took years for the reminants of the Alliance to rescue us from the planet we crashed on. Between our supplies and the native food supplies, most of the crew managed to survive. The deaths, however, will always haunt me: Watching Garrus and Tali starve to death. Watching Joker die when we ran out of his medication. Watching EDI shut off as the Normandy ran out of power.

When we were finally rescued, discovering the state of the galaxy was nearly as bad as being stranded. The galaxy is in a new dark age. The Alliance no longer exists. And without the resources of the galaxy at its disposal, Earth has not been able to rebuild and has turned into a festering hell hole. The krogan that helped us fight the Reapers and retake the planet turned out to be a curse in the years after the war. Many of them became trapped, unable to get back to Tuchanka, and upon disposing of Urdnot Wrex, turned to fighting among themselves and setting up their own personal kingdoms, using humans as slaves and food.

I'm holed up with the survivors, in one of the free zones on the planet. We come under constant attack, both from the krogan, and from human raiders. Many of the survivors envy the dead.

I thought about Shepard every day for years. Between losing Shepard and losing all contact with my family, I might have become overwhelmed with depression, were it not for the need to constantly struggle for survival. Eventually I realized that I had to move on, and gave up on finding someone who made me feel the way that he felt. I settled for an Alliance marine who was also stranded on Earth, a decent man, but more of out  of loneliness and the need to have some measure of connection in this entire mess than out of genuine love.

That seem about right? 

Oh lord....that is depressing. Good, but depressing.

Quickly someone write a happy ending

[MegaBadExample]

WHY DID YOU DO THAT DWH!?!

You just kicked a litter of helpless puppies.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 04 juin 2012 - 12:35 .

[BP93]

MegaBadExample wrote...

WHY DID YOU DO THAT DWH!?!

You just kicked a litter of helpless puppies.

Agreed.

brb loading gun

[Dannycni]

Cheers for that DWH, good way to get me down before heading off to bed. I will hurt myself if thats the sort of thing that happens!

[lil yonce]

survivor_686 wrote...

If its symbolism, it out of place in the series. Mass Effect has always had subtle symbolism. Waking up due to Lazarus project, recruiting Archangel, going to the Afterlife bar, assembling twelve new recruits. Saving the Destiny Ascenion (see what they did there?). Fighting/ working for Cerberus (a dog which guards the gates of hell). Becoming a Spectre? These are all attempts at suble symbolism.

Dumping survivors on an unknown planet is not subtle symbolism. Its the literary equivalent of smashing a hammer on a delicately arranged crystal piece, in order to symbolize a new project. Its heavy handed, clumsy and out of place in the situation.

Perhaps it a testament to the writers of the series that even a screwed up ending hasn't caused me to dump Mass Effect series and declare the whole thing a waste.

I wished the writing team had taken greater advantage of the symbolism throughout the series. I don't like that I couldn't explore the title Project Lazarus with Miranda, or go in more depth about Archangel. I felt Aria should've had a much bigger role in influencing Shepard and, I think you said you were against it, but I appreciate the Dark Matter/Human Ascenion storyline.

I like to dig deeper, I don't always like subtle, and IMO, most of ME's symbolism is almost too subtle. It's never explored, expanded, or put in context. It doesn't amalgamate into a more clearly reinforced theme like I'd prefer. They feel more like loose ends than careful subtly.



@DWH; I hope Ash said her prayers. Rough ride.... I'll pray for Ash. Tim Tebow will pray too.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 04 juin 2012 - 12:51 .

[survivor_686]

DWH1982 wrote...

Ashley's end dialouge:

Life after the destruction of the mass relays was hard. With no easy intersteller travel, it took years for the reminants of the Alliance to rescue us from the planet we crashed on. Between our supplies and the native food supplies, most of the crew managed to survive. The deaths, however, will always haunt me: Watching Garrus and Tali starve to death. Watching Joker die when we ran out of his medication. Watching EDI shut off as the Normandy ran out of power.

When we were finally rescued, discovering the state of the galaxy was nearly as bad as being stranded. The galaxy is in a new dark age. The Alliance no longer exists. And without the resources of the galaxy at its disposal, Earth has not been able to rebuild and has turned into a festering hell hole. The krogan that helped us fight the Reapers and retake the planet turned out to be a curse in the years after the war. Many of them became trapped, unable to get back to Tuchanka, and upon disposing of Urdnot Wrex, turned to fighting among themselves and setting up their own personal kingdoms, using humans as slaves and food.

I'm holed up with the survivors, in one of the free zones on the planet. We come under constant attack, both from the krogan, and from human raiders. Many of the survivors envy the dead.

I thought about Shepard every day for years. Between losing Shepard and losing all contact with my family, I might have become overwhelmed with depression, were it not for the need to constantly struggle for survival. Eventually I realized that I had to move on, and gave up on finding someone who made me feel the way that he felt. I settled for an Alliance marine who was also stranded on Earth, a decent man, but more of out  of loneliness and the need to have some measure of connection in this entire mess than out of genuine love.

That seem about right? 

Here's my attempt...considered it an Extended Cut of you will.

Shepard: Ash! Wake up Ash!

Ash: Huh, wha? Where are we? What happened?

Shepard: We're on the Normandy...you looked like you had pretty bad nightmare

Ash: Oh God...it was weird and twisted.

Shepard: I could tell...what was that about "settling for another Alliance Marine" and "Mass Relays blowing up"?

Ash: Wait you heard that? uhh...now I feel terrible.

Shepard: Whatever...wait how did you survive the destruction of the mass relays? Wouldn't you have died?

Ash: Its a dream skipper, it doesn't have to make sense. Go back to sleep

Shepard: I wish...I had a really crazy one involving a kid, a forest and fire. Then the kid is revealed to live on the Citadel and apparently we're all supposed to evolve into half-synthetic hybrids. And then the Mass Relays blow up for some reason

Ash: .......

Shepard: You have to be there to understand it.

*Credits!!

[DWH1982]

survivor_686 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...


Y'know, I don't think the Gilligan's Island ending was so bad. With his life, Shepard delivered his family on the Normandy to a "New World". An unblemished, picturesque, jungle world, where organic life thrives. A peaceful world, one free of Reaper threat. Something we haven't seen all game. The people he cared for most, the people who had put him in position to end the Reaper threat over the course of three years, this was the result of their labor. Hope. A New World. A Better World. That's why they're smiling. It's symbolic. Symbolic at the expense of realism, maybe, but still symbolic. I get what Walters was going for, at least.

I don't think it's superficial. This was not about the Normandy Crew crash landing on some unknown planet to become the new "Gilligan's Island". I think that's an unfair analysis.

If its symbolism, it out of place in the series. Mass Effect has always had subtle symbolism. Waking up due to Lazarus project, recruiting Archangel, going to the Afterlife bar, assembling twelve new recruits. Saving the Destiny Ascenion (see what they did there?). Fighting/ working for Cerberus (a dog which guards the gates of hell). Becoming a Spectre? These are all attempts at suble symbolism.

Dumping survivors on an unknown planet is not subtle symbolism. Its the literary equivalent of smashing a hammer on a delicately arranged crystal piece, in order to symbolize a new project. Its heavy handed, clumsy and out of place in the situation.

Perhaps it a testament to the writers of the series that even a screwed up ending hasn't caused me to dump Mass Effect series and declare the whole thing a waste.

I despise the ending.

1) I wanted the option of Shepard and Ash being together and being happy. I'm sorry, but I did.

2) The ending makes no sense because, taken literally, it overlooks a ton of details about the Mass Effect universe that would seem to imply a very, very exceedingly unpleasant existance for the Normandy crew and the rest of the galaxy.

[Dannycni]

survivor_686 wrote...

Here's my attempt...considered it an Extended Cut of you will.

Shepard: Ash! Wake up Ash!

Ash: Huh, wha? Where are we? What happened?

Shepard: We're on the Normandy...you looked like you had pretty bad nightmare

Ash: Oh God...it was weird and twisted.

Shepard: I could tell...what was that about "settling for another Alliance Marine" and "Mass Relays blowing up"?

Ash: Wait you heard that? uhh...now I feel terrible.

Shepard: Whatever...wait how did you survive the destruction of the mass relays? Wouldn't you have died?

Ash: Its a dream skipper, it doesn't have to make sense. Go back to sleep

Shepard: I wish...I had a really crazy one involving a kid, a forest and fire. Then the kid is revealed to live on the Citadel and apparently we're all supposed to evolve into half-synthetic hybrids. And then the Mass Relays blow up for some reason

Ash: .......

Shepard: You have to be there to understand it.

*Credits!!

 Must have been something in the food they ate earlier in the evening giving them these weird dreams

[DWH1982]

survivor_686 wrote...


Here's my attempt...considered it an Extended Cut of you will.

*snip*

Yeah, your ending is better.

[Dannycni]

Makes me happy

[DWH1982]

@Danny, yeah, I like to imagine them doing that sometime after the Reapers. Seems like a good way to sit back and have a few laughs after all the crap that happened.

I think it would take some work by Ash to convince Shepard to let her play with his models, though.

Modifié par DWH1982, 04 juin 2012 - 01:27 .

[Aurora313]

Pain ebbed and flowed with each breath, moving her chest to simply take in oxygen was a chore that sent spikes of agony throughout her body. The last few hours were a blur... or was it days? Ashley couldn't really tell anymore. All she knew that was somehow, she had been moved. To a makeshift care facility of some sort, though from the cracks in the ceiling.

"Williams-Commander. Are you conscious?" The static artifical voice of a Geth Unit in the room nearly scared Ashley out of her skin.

"A Geth. What are you doing here?"

"The Creator Tali'Zorah refers to me as 'Rayael'. Chakwas-Doctor requested assistance in monitoring your health. I carried you from the wreakage in front of the Old Machine's portal. I volunteered." The unit explained cocking its head to the side.

"From the wreakage... " She echoed. Her voice grew desperate. "Shepard! What about Shepard!" She demanded quickly, forcefully.

"Shepard-Commander was not found among the Wreakage," Ashley felt her heart and head drop, despair oozing in. "Other Geth, human and Krogan soldiers entered the portal after the Crucible's energy fired. Shepard-Commander was found next to two other deceased humans. One heavily infested with Old Machine technology. The other was the one identified as 'Anderson'."

"So... " Ashley begun, the words sinking in. She couldn't push down the tears that burned in her eyes upon hearing of Anderson's passing. "Is he alive?"

The Geth unit was silent, merely gesturing with his left hand over Ashley's bed. With no small effort, Ashley tried to sit up and see what the Geth unit - Rayael -  was pointing at.

"Welcome back from the dead..." The wisecrack was followed by a few short coughs of pain. 

The despair in Ashley's chest leeched away, replaced with overwhelming relief and joy. There, lying in the bed next to hers, with bandages covering almost every part of him except for his face, was Shepard. Ashley let a few tears fall. Rayael lefted the room silently, no doubt to inform Chakwas of Ashley regaining conciousness.

"You... stupid...  son of a b!tch!" Ashley immediately screamed at him, ignoring the intesifying pain throughout her body. "Don't you DARE scare me like that again!"

Shepard barked out a laugh, followed by more painful hacking. "I don't think I'll be saving the galaxy will be anywhere on my to-do list anytime soon. Got nothing to worry about." He joked, also trying to forget the sorry state he was in. Ashley snorted, the let out a small laugh. Shepard smirked, closing his eyes and settling down further into his bed. "Right now, all I wanna do is sleep."

"Sounds fair..." Ashley agreed absently. "We've earned it I think."

No reply. "John?" Ashley looked over him for a minute, his chest raised and lowered gently in time with his breathing. He was already out cold. Ashley settled back down into her sheets. Moving so much would probably make her feel worse tomorrow, but she didn't care. Taking one last look, she smiled softly. "Good Night John. I love you."

Closing her eyes, a whispered response followed her into her dreams. "I love you too."



Yay for sappy-happy epilogues!

Modifié par Aurora313, 04 juin 2012 - 01:43 .

[DWH1982]

@Aurora: Thank you.

[iHorizons]

When I say Ash in the hospital and she said speculation; I couldn't stop laughing

[iHorizons]

That was great Aurora, especially because it ended without Space Magic

[survivor_686]

iHorizons wrote...

That was great Aurora, especially because it ended without Space Magic

Ah yes Space Magic. An alleged device that makes the endings understandable and relevant to the universe. We have dismissed that claim

[survivor_686]

DWH1982 wrote...

survivor_686 wrote...


Here's my attempt...considered it an Extended Cut of you will.

*snip*

Yeah, your ending is better.

Behold I present my challenge:

[scotiej]

Very nice Aurora