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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!


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ADLegend21

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Femshep question?
Is she a gamer?

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I think you posted in the wrong thread or something ^, I don't know what you're asking otherwise. lol

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Grimez7

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Just saw a thread on this. Did you guys want Ash to be bi in ME3?

I didn't and do not - would be really out of character for her.

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Yes, I don't want too. She is straight.

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Dannycni

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I'm not against that sort of thing but I just don't think it suits Ash. Asari can do it, some of your human crew mates can be bi and thats fine but I just don't think Ash would do it. If she was bi it would completely be against her character.

Ugh watching E3 atm and BW are on with EA, man it's making me angry just watching them. I want to know why they did down Ashley!!!

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Grimez7 wrote...

Just saw a thread on this. Did you guys want Ash to be bi in ME3?

I didn't and do not - would be really out of character for her.

A lot of people did and were really upset when Bioware only added a Same sex path of Kaidan and Not Ashley. It was apparent that they put alot more attention into Kaidan even without the Same sex path since he hs several cutscene conversations aboard the Normandy while Ashle'ys is heavy on auto dialog outside of the romance scene and her hangover scene.

Also sexual orientation isn't hcaracter defining unless you make a point to do it like that. No one looks at Ashley and goes "there goes that straight girl fixing guns" her defining characteristics are her love of poetry, her dedication to the Alliance, and her hard working attitude to clear the Williams name and to out work the black listing of the family name. Not being Commander Shepard's girlfriend.

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CptData you are amazing. Everything you post about Ashley is incredible

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Grimez7 wrote...

Just saw a thread on this. Did you guys want Ash to be bi in ME3?

I didn't and do not - would be really out of character for her.

Yeah that's something the Ash fanbase has always been a bit split on. Personally I don't see how it would be out of character, nothing seems to indicate that to me, sometimes people are friends and get in a relationship later, I can think of other reasons, but yeah, why not?

I'm okay with her not being bi though, (although it was a bit of a bummer for my Femshep who had such high hopes at some point ;p) I don't think there was a wrong choice here. If she'd been Bi, great! She's not, also fine.

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Well when I said 'out of character' it just seems like with her religious belief I don't see how it would fit with Ashley, but that's just me and I wouldn't mind if she was or not cause it isn't going to affect my game personally cause I'll always play as a male Shepard so if people want it then that's grand.

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Yes, traditional mono religions are against homosexuality. And Ash is religious.

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The problem with Kaidan all of sudden becoming bi, is that it came straight out of the blue and was badly executed. There was no indication of it whatsoever and the explanations can across as taped on.

If you're going to define a key characteristic of a character, by all means do it early. Drop hints about it, but by all means do it early in their development. Adding it at the end, only serves to confuse and muddle the character arc somewhat.

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Who is the true villian of the Mass Effect trilogy the rEApers or Mac 'Terrible Writer' Walters?

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Okay, Survivor, I have a few question about your S1 Codex entry. I was talking with Rudy Lis and these are from him. And if anyone else has any answers, chime in:

Question number one: means of delivery. Yes, I’ve read about shockpods. How much they differ from escape pods? How you suppose to guide them to specific area? How you plan to perform covert insertion with glowing meteor falling from the sky?

Question number two: guidance during free-fall. Homing beacon on the ground? Placed by who? Some thrusters on pods (increase weight, reduce inner volume, increase price, decrease structural strength)?

Question number three: slowing down. IIRC, maximal speed human organism can take without immediate damage and maintain combat capabilities is 6 metres per second. 12 m/s – high risk of trauma, but chances for survival are high. But we need them in fighting conditions, not just alive.

Question number four: speed of entry and descent. Simple – the shorter you exposed, the higher chances of survival are. Also, means of protection from temperature – friction, heating up. We want alive soldier on the ground, not fried soldier, medium roast.

Question number five: altitude of decelerating. See above – how to minimize time of being exposed, yet slow down and keep men in fighting condition?

Question number six: means of protection. According to Codex, ME era weapon use miniature (or not so miniature) slugs, traveling at great speeds. So, simply put, there should be no need to lead aim, just catch enemy in crosshair and pull the trigger. This makes all evasion things needless – the only way to protect your either thick layer of armour ( I think that’s a way too heavy and expensive) or shields. Price of shield generator, capable to withstand temperature and probably kinetic shock? Size of it as well. And sturdiness of generated shield – probably pods will be targeted by AAA, and they should be more powerful than ordinary small arms.

Question number seven: price. Not just for equipment, for men. You need at least 20 (preferably 24) years two grow new soldier and give him proper training. High losses during training make subsequent losses during drop too expensive, because you will lose best of the best. And don’t forget about means of delivery – I doubt you will be able to drop them from ME era DC-3 just out of the airlock, so you need special ships. If there is need for orbital shock troopers, that means landing zone is hot, so there are no guarantees there will be no anti-space-ships artillery or other armament.

My thoughts: The best proposal I have is that the Alliance's research on limited AIs has paid off and it can handle a few of the functions questioned. Guiding the solider to the ground, monitoring systems in free fall. And the shockpod itself has to be a better piece of tech than the a standard escape pod to withstand entry into atmosphere and to control speed of entry. Maybe the pods use stealth tech to help avoid detection, but all someone has to do is look in the sky to see them. They'd have to land far from the fighting to be given a good chance of survival.

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Dannycni

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Hahaha, I see what you did there Horizons! I'm not surprised BW and EA had a constant dislike review while they were at E3 earlier.
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Plz add your headcanons (post war) here, if you want:
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@ Aurora: kinda waiting for your version of Shepard/Ashley-confrontation after Shepard took down Dalatress Linron. I still can't get a dialogue together ...
Sorry if I didn't point it out earlier, but of course I want to read yours =)


Ushanka wrote...

Yes, traditional mono religions are against homosexuality. And Ash is religious.

This kinda gets subverted by the amount of covert ******- or bisexuals in each religion. Bisexuals have the easier way out of that mess - they simply go after heterosexual relationships only. Homosexuals have to pretend to be something they simply aren't. Results are well known ... <_<

What I want to say is: just because they don't out themselves, they still do exist. You just don't know it.

Modifié par CptData, 04 juin 2012 - 10:43 .


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Grimez7 wrote...

Just saw a thread on this. Did you guys want Ash to be bi in ME3?

I didn't and do not - would be really out of character for her.



No, I've always been against bisexual Ashley. Sure, it would be hot, but I'm not shallow enough to want it just for that. Bioware knew exactly what kind of character they had established, that's why she isn't bisexual. There were two major things in the way - tradition and religion. That is a big part of her character.

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@ MBE: tried to explain it in that thread: Ash could be a covert bisexual. Means: she has that sexual preference but caused by her religion and more or less conservative attitude, she never did the outing. She -could- feel attracted to fem!Shep, but we don't know.

I'm okay with the lack of bi!sexual Ashley. As you said, MBE: it's hot, but also too shallow. Besides that, fem!Shep doesn't need another female LI. She needs another male LI, like Jimmy Vega. Just in case Kaidan didn't survive Virmire or Udina's Coup.

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Ushanka wrote...

Yes, traditional mono religions are against homosexuality. And Ash is religious.

She's religous but wedon't know what religion. She's also religious 174 years from now when who knows what the "popular" religion is, especially after the discovery of sentient Alien societies when msot religions have humanity as the center of the universe given domain over all creation.

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survivor_686 wrote...

The problem with Kaidan all of sudden becoming bi, is that it came straight out of the blue and was badly executed. There was no indication of it whatsoever and the explanations can across as taped on.

If you're going to define a key characteristic of a character, by all means do it early. Drop hints about it, but by all means do it early in their development. Adding it at the end, only serves to confuse and muddle the character arc somewhat.

Have ou played his same sex Path? I'll admit I haven't but I did get prompted to start it because I did his date scene before Liara's on my Mshep/Liara playrhough and even though I turned him down to stay with Liara's romance him dmitting to myMshep that he had feelings for him as extremely well done.

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CptData wrote...

@ MBE: tried to explain it in that thread: Ash could be a covert bisexual. Means: she has that sexual preference but caused by her religion and more or less conservative attitude, she never did the outing. She -could- feel attracted to fem!Shep, but we don't know.

I'm okay with the lack of bi!sexual Ashley. As you said, MBE: it's hot, but also too shallow. Besides that, fem!Shep doesn't need another female LI. She needs another male LI, like Jimmy Vega. Just in case Kaidan didn't survive Virmire or Udina's Coup.


Really doubt it. Considering Ash was the rebel type, who rebelled against her father and the military tradition when she was younger. We do know, and she's clearly not. She hasn't shown interest in women, and growing up in a house with four women... well you'd be curious about the opposite sex, I'm just saying. This is her character, Data.
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Dunno, MBE. You could be right, you could be wrong. Even if Ash was a rebel ... well, let's say, some things don't get touched, even if you're a rebel.

Let's keep it that way. BW won't add a bi!romance for Ashley. It won't get stated at any given point and I simply don't care. It also doesn't matter for our project and whatever I do in my headcanon stays is my business. I don't have a fem!Shep, so there doesn't exist a fem!Shep loving Ash and vice versa. Period =)

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CptData wrote...

Dunno, MBE. You could be right, you could be wrong. Even if Ash was a rebel ... well, let's say, some things don't get touched, even if you're a rebel.

Let's keep it that way. BW won't add a bi!romance for Ashley. It won't get stated at any given point and I simply don't care. It also doesn't matter for our project and whatever I do in my headcanon stays is my business. I don't have a fem!Shep, so there doesn't exist a fem!Shep loving Ash and vice versa. Period =)


You're talking about Ash, Data. If there's something bothering/upsetting her, she's gonna come out and say it. I think we all learned the hard way on Horizon.

Most people say that Ashley being bisexual would be out-of-character, and I completely agree with that. I'm not against s/s romance so long as it fits the character. As I said before, Bioware knew exactly what kind of character they had established. She's the straightest squadmate in the game.

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Where love is, there is hope ...
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Watching the stars,
waiting for an answer,
on my prayers.

You and me,
going down the same path,
got separated by fate.

Do we ever find us again?
I don't know,
since I don't know the answer,
just a hope,
one day you'll return,
because you love me.

- Ashley Williams, private log.


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@ MBE BW knows her character? Well, they better should prove it with the EC DLC. Current ME3 lacks that evidence :P

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They did a good job on Ash, IMO. She's still the same, just doesn't talk enough. Her cut content is evidence enough that they know her character... but the bastards never included that stuff.

Everytime she says, "Good to see you." I want to slap her, though. Lol

Shepard: Talk to meeeeeeeeh D:
Ashley: Good to see you.
Shepard: D:<