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[Spitfire017]

Ushanka wrote...

Yes, traditional mono religions are against homosexuality. And Ash is religious.

I honestly would love for Ashley to be bisexual because she is a religious person. Its 2186, and most modern day religions have dramatically changed. This can include stances towards homosexual behavior. And besides, she doesn't come off as a fundamentalist or purist by any means, especially since she engages in per-marital sex with Shepard.

We can all appreciate that Ash is one of the most deep characters ever created for a video game.
Ash being bisexual would add another level or dynamic to her character. At the same time, I think it would also affect people's perceptions that religious people are ONLY straight. Hell, there are Christian churches full of gay men today!
Why cannot somebody be bi and be religious at the same time? It would help change or impact people's perceptions, and people might reevaluate her character.

I'm sure everyone remembers the first LI tribute put together, and I remember that a Ashfan wrote a letter about her love for Ashley Williams, and how her character had impacted her life. She talked about how, using the save editor, she was able to carry on a lesbian romance in ME1, and how a bi Ash actually helped her sort of her own personal conflict between her sexuality and beliefs. I found it rather touching, and she told Bioware that she really wanted to carry the relationship on in ME3. She should be allowed to do this.

Those that used the gibbed save editor to carry on lesbian romance with Ash in ME1, should be able to fully continue on in this romance (not having Ash suck femshep's nose off if you have seen the video).

So, as you can see, I fully support Ashley Williams being bisexual. That is my opinion.

[CptData]

MegaBadExample wrote...

They did a good job on Ash, IMO. She's still the same, just doesn't talk enough. Her cut content is evidence enough that they know her character... but the bastards never included that stuff.

Everytime she says, "Good to see you." I want to slap her, though. Lol

Shepard: Talk to meeeeeeeeh D:
Ashley: Good to see you.
Shepard: D:<

Well, it's not in the game. And for 99% of the fandom it never was written or created. You and me are just two of a minority knowing the truth.

Ashley suffers a great injustice.


@ spitfire: great read :happy:

[MegaBadExample]

I respect your opinion Spitfire, but it would be too out of character for me. Ashley definitely doesn’t have a problem with homosexuals, or people who have different views form her. But she's very confident in her own, that's what I love about her. Nothing sways her. She's going to still believe in god whether Shepard hates it/or disagrees with it.

Some people want bisexual Ash, and the rest don't. Think that topic is the reason why most of the Ash fan-base split and left, poof, bye-bye. Not that any of this matters, Ashley is straight. It's canon. But I do wish some of those old Ash guys came back.

@Data: We know the truth! WE KNOW IT.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 04 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[survivor_686]

Youth4Ever wrote...

- Snip- .

The Inspiration for the Shockpods came from the ODST of the Halo series, with a Mass Effect twist. Bear in mind the Shockpod isn’t the only means of delivery for the “Shocktroopers”.Funny thing is that the United States military has been researching into orbital descents of armed troops.

It’s meant for their more "smash into the enemy weak spots" operations

Means of delivery:
The Shockpod can be launched via any standard escape pod delivery mechanism. Or it can be fired from a ship’s missile launcher. This means a ship can move near a planet (ideally just within its magnetosphere) and quickly fire the pods and bug out. The pods then freefall through the atmosphere, with the onboard eezo core reducing its mass (more on that later).

Guidance:
Is provided by onboard VI’s whom network together to coordinate the locations of the drop. Guidance beacons can be placed on key locations by covert operatives (ideally the N-series commandos). In theory control can be adjusted by the individual trooper, but is usually reserved for extreme or special circumstances.

Construction and Control:
Each pod has a sizeable eezo core (akin to the one used on the Mako). The role of the eezo core is to provide shielding and reduce the mass of the pod (ala the Mass Effect). Each pod has miniature thrusters along its side to slow down the pod before impact. While a source of criticism, proponents have pointed out that in nearly every operation using the Shockpod has been a resounding success. Each pod is meant to house only one trooper.

I would imagine that it would constructed from the material similar to the Mako (its strong enough to survivie athmospheric reentry, thresher maw acid and a trip through a mass relay).

Ideal Scenario
A frigate (those are the ones small enough to enter a planet’s atmosphere), would enter the planet’s atmosphere (if it has one). It fires the pods in quick succession and then bugs out as fast as possible. Ideally N-commandoes would have been onsite to provide guidance beacons, if not the onboard VI guides the pod to target. The target is usually a command and control structure used by the enemy (most of the alien races in Mass Effect sure love their centralized command structures).

The pod propelled by the power of the launch (its no small thing), pushes through the atmosphere. The onboard eezo core provides a level of shielding, but really its speed and size are the pod’s best defence. With the onboard VI calculating the optimum moment, the onboard thrusters fire and slow down the descent. The eezo core reduces the mass of the pod, in order that the thrusters aren’t enormous.

Seconds after “impact” or landing, the trooper exits the pod and within minutes you have heavily armed troopers swarming all over the enemy’s tender bits. The Shocktroopers are usually the forefront for any planetary invasion (the N-service commandoes would disagree), this would entail them setting up an LZ, targetting command and control structures and individuals and generally creating enough mayhem to confuse the enemy. After a succseful operation, the pods are retrieved, repaired if need be and ready for another deployment.

Is it madness? Maybe. Is it dangerous? Definitely. Is it effective? Hell yeah!

PS: would anyone be interested in fan-fic of Ashley's days as a Shocktrooper, set between ME1 and ME2?

[survivor_686]

Spitfire017 wrote...

Ushanka wrote...

Yes, traditional mono religions are against homosexuality. And Ash is religious.

I honestly would love for Ashley to be bisexual because she is a religious person. Its 2186, and most modern day religions have dramatically changed. This can include stances towards homosexual behavior. And besides, she doesn't come off as a fundamentalist or purist by any means, especially since she engages in per-marital sex with Shepard.

We can all appreciate that Ash is one of the most deep characters ever created for a video game.
Ash being bisexual would add another level or dynamic to her character. At the same time, I think it would also affect people's perceptions that religious people are ONLY straight. Hell, there are Christian churches full of gay men today!
Why cannot somebody be bi and be religious at the same time? It would help change or impact people's perceptions, and people might reevaluate her character.

I'm sure everyone remembers the first LI tribute put together, and I remember that a Ashfan wrote a letter about her love for Ashley Williams, and how her character had impacted her life. She talked about how, using the save editor, she was able to carry on a lesbian romance in ME1, and how a bi Ash actually helped her sort of her own personal conflict between her sexuality and beliefs. I found it rather touching, and she told Bioware that she really wanted to carry the relationship on in ME3. She should be allowed to do this.

Those that used the gibbed save editor to carry on lesbian romance with Ash in ME1, should be able to fully continue on in this romance (not having Ash suck femshep's nose off if you have seen the video).

So, as you can see, I fully support Ashley Williams being bisexual. That is my opinion.

It would definitely add an interesting arc to her character...if it was done well.

Unfortunately as was the case with Kaidan, it came straight from the blue and it felt clumsy. If you're going to write a key characterisitc of a character, do it early on. Don't introduce it in the final installment.

Personally I prefer my Ash straight

Modifié par survivor_686, 04 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[Cossack72]

I always had an idea to modify the mining probes from ME2 to carry troops. Probably wouldn't work though. Unless maybe they were wearing some super advanced combat exoskeleton.

[Made Nightwing]

@Spitfire. Because it'd be a bit of BS political grandstanding on the part of BW, and they'd have lost my respect by doing it. Ashley's religion frankly has nothing to do with her sexual orientation as it is not even mentioned what religion she is.

Fact was, they discussed it early in Ashley's development back in ME1. They decided against it because it didn't fit the character they were writing. In ME1 she's flirty, a little bit shy, but also incredibly passionate. And it felt right. Throw FemShep into the mix and it'd just be a bit too much fanservice for my taste.

[Spitfire017]

@Survivor_686: I knew you got your inspiration from ODST! I love the concept of it being the futuristic version of the airborne.

And yes, a fanfic would be great.

@MBE: So half the Ashley fanbase here on BSN just stopped being active cause Ash wasn't bi???

@Nightwing: Her sexuality being based or in relation to her religious orientation was what I was arguing against. I don't see a problem with it for her character to be bi and also have a belief in God.

Modifié par Spitfire017, 05 juin 2012 - 12:10 .

[ADLegend21]

Spitfire017 wrote...

@MBE: So half the Ashley fanbase here on BSN just stopped being active cause Ash wasn't bi???

No Half of Ashley's fanbase doesn't come into the Ashley thread because of the flame war that happened in the 1.1. over Same sex vs not same sex. Woo had tos tep in and warn everyone. so people just avoid the thread because they fel they'll be attacked for their opinions. That's why in teh OP of th this thread it states that no one is to attack anyone based on how they play the game or want to play the game (since you can still mod in a femshep romance with Ashley on PC) and that all positive Ashely talk is welcome as long s it doesn't bash the character.

[Made Nightwing]

@Spitfire. Neither would I, had they done it from the start. However to shoehorn it in at the end would have been a mistake.

[MegaBadExample]

Spitfire017 wrote...

@Survivor_686: I knew you got your inspiration from ODST! I love the concept of it being the futuristic version of the airborne.

And yes, a fanfic would be great.

@MBE: So half the Ashley fanbase here on BSN just stopped being active cause Ash wasn't bi???

@Nightwing: Her sexuality being based or in relation to her religious orientation was what I was arguing against. I don't see a problem with it for her character to be bi and also have a belief in God.

As I understand it, it was because they disagreed with her being bisexual, they fought, flamed and left.

[survivor_686]

We need Ash on this page

[BP93]

I remember those "rumors". How stupid. Honestly haven't even thought about that until it was posted in the other thread. Glad I wasn't around back then... lol

Ash is worth fighting for, not over. :happy:

[Spitfire017]

ADLegend21 wrote...

No Half of Ashley's fanbase doesn't
come into the Ashley thread because of the flame war that happened in
the 1.1. over Same sex vs not same sex. Woo had tos tep in and warn
everyone. so people just avoid the thread because they fel they'll be
attacked for their opinions. That's why in teh OP of th this thread it
states that no one is to attack anyone based on how they play the game
or want to play the game (since you can still mod in a femshep romance
with Ashley on PC) and that all positive Ashely talk is welcome as long s
it doesn't bash the character.../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

MegaBadExample wrote...

As I understand it, it was because they disagreed with her being bisexual, they fought, flamed and left.

If I could post that "Ash is dissapoint" picture, I would. Course I wasn't here to witness it.

Anyway, how long does it take for new users to able to post pictures?

[Dannycni]

Spitfire017 wrote...

If I could post that "Ash is dissapoint" picture, I would. Course I wasn't here to witness it.

Anyway, how long does it take for new users to able to post pictures?

For you:



And i think it's 2 weeks

Modifié par Dannycni, 05 juin 2012 - 12:45 .

[CptData]

Two weeks or sumthin', Spitfire.

Didn't find it, but have this flashback!Ashley instead ... it always makes me sad ...

[DWH1982]

Yeah, the ongoing split in the fan base is depressing. The Ash OT is practically dead these days. I seem to be one of the few people who posts here and in the OT.

My own thoughts on the matter:

1. I wouldn't have really cared that much if Ash had ended up bi in ME3. My canon Shepard is male. I simply wanted him to have the chance to rekindle his relationship with Ash.

2. I don't think her religion would have any impact on it. I think most religions 170 some years from now will be more tolerant about that, and it's never even established what religion Ashley is.

3. If pushed, I'd say that my preference would be not to suddenly "drop a bomb" in regard to a character's sexuality in the final game of the trilogy. If Ash and Kaiden are bi, it should have been established in the first game, or at least there should have been subtle hints. Seems odd to do it in the last game.

4. Nevertheless, it all goes back to point number 1. If they had decided to go a different direction with Ash's sexuality, I wouldn't have cared as long as Edwin Shepard still got to be with her. Frankly, Edwin Shepard wouldn't give a damn about whether she's bi as well, as long as he can be with her.

[MegaBadExample]

Ash is disappoint because everyone wants in her pants lol

Geez, it's hard enough for a Shepard who was in a previous relationship with her to get in her pants. Girl is hard to get.

Yeah, the flashback photo makes me sad.

[LoneStarJedi]

About the whole "Pathfinder" designation/role, whatever it is. It makes me think of the pathfinders in the U.S army during WW2. They was regular Army>Rangers>Airborn Rangers>Pathfinders. They would deploy in the opposite order. Pathfinders drop in small numbers behind enemy lines, sneak to the actual drop point, and set a beacon. Then the paratroopers would drop in greater numbers, like shock troops. Ya, a bunch would get shot before they landed, but that's why they threw so many at the enemy. Aftey they secured a beachead, the regular army would move in. Now just imagine all that with ME tech.

My point being, that would make Ash pretty damn elite. First on the ground! And ya, I can see some friendly rivalry between Pathfinders and N7 commandos. Different roles though, and I don't see any reason they couldn't work together.

PS: this is all based off an interest in military history that has long since died down. I could be misremembering a bunch

[DWH1982]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

And ya, I can see some friendly rivalry between Pathfinders and N7 commandos. Different roles though, and I don't see any reason they couldn't work together.

Shepard: F***ing pathfinders think they're real soldiers. How cute.

Ash: *AHEM* Your girlfriend is a pathfinder. You realize that, right?

Shepard: Don't think it doesn't tear me up inside.

Ash: Uh huh. Right. Well, I guess this pathfinder will be staying on the crew deck tonight. I know how you "real soldiers" need your beauty sleep and everything. Wouldn't want to interfere with that.

[Dannycni]

Bless you DWH, I haven't read a dialogue on here for too long, the amount of teasing those two give each other already, if they are in different branches then that's gonna give them even more ammo against the other lol

[DWH1982]

You might not see much input from me this week. The temp agency found work for me.

That's a good thing, though. It means I'll have (probably) a full week of work and the pay that comes iwth it.

[Dannycni]

Well I may have to follow Ashley and Shepards role and join the military when I leave uni cause there are no jobs here.

I wonder what it was like for Ash joining the military straight out of High School? That can't have been easy for a young girl

[DWH1982]

Can't imagine it's easy for anyone, though it is what Ash wanted... So that probably helped.

Another reason I think that Ash and Shepard go together is because they both (at least in my head canon) wanted military service.

Ash because of tradition and service (public service through the military was part of that tradition) and Edwin Shepard because of public service and because of what happened to him on Mindoir - he wanted to be in a position to stop things like that from happening again.

Their main difference is that Edwin Shepard promised his parents he'd go to college. So he went down the ROTC road instead of joining straight out of High School.

Modifié par DWH1982, 05 juin 2012 - 01:15 .

[MegaBadExample]

Dannycni wrote...

Well I may have to follow Ashley and Shepards role and join the military when I leave uni cause there are no jobs here.

I wonder what it was like for Ash joining the military straight out of High School? That can't have been easy for a young girl

I've always wanted to join the army, and I'm physically fit enough for it. Thing is, I'm only 18 and my parents are holding me back from it for as long as possible. It's a career I want, though. They don't like it, however.

I take it you're talking about the UK? Lots of people are struggling to get themselves a job here.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 05 juin 2012 - 01:27 .