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[Aurora313]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Not trying to sway you or anything. I just want to know your reasons for it. For me, it's easy - destroy. Control next *if* i had too. Synthesis is just a no-go.

From a roleplaying perspective, what made him choose Synthesis, when he had the simple option to destroy? Because of EDI and the Geth? What about the trillions of people, world, races which have been lost already? Yet he still carries on. Sacrifice is nothing new to Shepard. In fact, it’s something he’s accustom to.

Honestly, it was Legion, EDI and Joker that made the decision for them.
I'm trying to word the RP reasons without sounding stupid. I'm not having much success to be frank.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 juin 2012 - 11:35 .

[CptData]

See, Aurora ... that's exactly why I am disappointed now.
You believe that kid is playing fair because you would ... *g*

But this is about survival. That kid is the Avatar of the Reapers in that situation. The Reapers want to live. If you were in the same situation - someone has to decide of life and death and you're the very one who's going to die if that someone decides for the death option, would you allow the person to choose freely? You would try to manipulate him.

I would.

[MegaBadExample]

I hope the IT is true because the endings are all balls anyway. I suspect a lot of control and Synthesis supporters will rage hard. Therefore I don't believe that the IT will happen. Bioware wouldn't take that chance. They gave the players three endings, they will not limit it to one.

[Ushanka]

Well, if destroy means death of all synthetic life, then ok. They are just machines. Well, sad a bit, but they are not living creatures.

[MegaBadExample]

Aurora313 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Not trying to sway you or anything. I just want to know your reasons for it. For me, it's easy - destroy. Control next *if* i had too. Synthesis is just a no-go.

From a roleplaying perspective, what made him choose Synthesis, when he had the simple option to destroy? Because of EDI and the Geth? What about the trillions of people, world, races which have been lost already? Yet he still carries on. Sacrifice is nothing new to Shepard. In fact, it’s something he’s accustom to.

Honestly, it was Legion, EDI and Joker that made the decision for them.
I'm trying to word the RP reasons without sounding stupid. I'm not having much success to be frank.

So three specific people influenced him to change a whole galaxy full of different species forever?

From a roleplaying perspective, Synthesis just doesn't work for me.


We need some brown-eyed Ashley on this page:

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 08 juin 2012 - 11:42 .

[Aurora313]

Eh. Whatever. My choice is my choice. You guys disagree, I respect that completely. While I agree the Catalyst might be lying, I fail to see what purpose it would serve. Shepard chooses control, Catalyst becomes his b!tch. Shepard chooses destroy, might survive, Catalyst dies along with everything else that's synthetic in origin. Shepard chooses synthesis, everyone live (Shepard too, in a f*cked up evangelion-esque kind of way) albeit changed forever.

[scotiej]

Ushanka wrote...

Well, if destroy means death of all synthetic life, then ok. They are just machines. Well, sad a bit, but they are not living creatures.

They may not be living beings, but they're capable of free thought and making decisions on their own about the course of their existence. That's sentient life, it may not have a DNA but it's still a form of life. Even the Reapers are a form of life, their problem is that they chose to subjugate and destroy the people of the galaxy.

[MegaBadExample]

Don't get it twisted. I respect your opinion. Just wanted to know your reasons for doing it over the other two is all.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 08 juin 2012 - 11:44 .

[Aurora313]

Ushanka wrote...

Well, if destroy means death of all synthetic life, then ok. They are just machines. Well, sad a bit, but they are not living creatures.

See that's where I disagree with you.
If something has the capacity to ask 'Am I alive, Do I have a soul' or any other variations and are away of their own 'mortality', then I believe they are simply because they can ask that question. If they have the will to change and learn as they see fit, then they are 'alive'.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[MegaBadExample]

scotiej wrote...

Ushanka wrote...

Well, if destroy means death of all synthetic life, then ok. They are just machines. Well, sad a bit, but they are not living creatures.

They may not be living beings, but they're capable of free thought and making decisions on their own about the course of their existence. That's sentient life, it may not have a DNA but it's still a form of life. Even the Reapers are a form of life, their problem is that they chose to subjugate and destroy the people of the galaxy.

You've got to sacrifice something in order to gain anything. If the galaxy loses a race of machines, for peace? That is well worth it, in my eyes. I imagine it would be a lot easier for Shepard than killing off the Krogan or the Rachni.

[Ushanka]

But machine never will be like human. Synthetics, they was created by organics. Don't know, for me they still machines.

[Aurora313]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Don't get it twisted. I respect your opinion. Just wanted to know your reasons for doing it over the other two is all.

No, no. Don't misunderstand, I'm not getting twisted at all. I am just trying to think of a way to phrase it so it doesn't sound overly corny and too idealistic. I'm not saying Synthesis will create a world where Reapers and humans go waltzing in the fields to corny showtunes, I'm thinking more the material benefits particularly to 'handicapped' races like the Quarians whom suffered from no immue systems as one example. I don't trust that everyone in the galaxy will like it. Opinions would be heavily divided. Id be f*ckin' annoyed if they weren't. People might praise the transhuman bodies they now have. People might curse Shepard for all eternity, but it's better than being whipped out in a perpetual 50 000 year cycle of murder, chaos and destruction.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[CptData]

Gee ... I can see a violent argument at the horizon dealing with the post-ME3 situation for our project.
Was already hard enough to create a "canon!Shepard" ...

Stuff doesn't get easy, huh? Well ... I'm off. Headbanging the wall, then go and do some errants. Someone has to do the shtuff

Modifié par CptData, 08 juin 2012 - 11:50 .

[MegaBadExample]

Aurora313 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Don't get it twisted. I respect your opinion. Just wanted to know your reasons for doing it over the other two is all.

No, no. Don't misunderstand, I'm not getting twisted at all. I am just trying to think of a way to phrase it so it doesn't sound overly corny and too idealistic.

I'm eager to hear it.

[ADLegend21]

EDI and the Geth become fully sentient, their codes resemble brain cells. Not even Ashley would deny hey've become living things, espcially after seeing Legion and serving with EDI.

[Ushanka]

I think I agree with Javik in this question.

[MegaBadExample]

Ushanka wrote...

I think I agree with Javik in this question.

Throw it out the airlock?

I understand the appeal that Synthesis has, I like it. But from a roleplaying perspective it doesn't click with me - doesn't link up. My Shepard would rather sacrifice the few (the Geth & EDI) to save the rest, without mucking up humanity forever. Humanity and all its glory is what he’s trying to save, not change it into something its not.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 08 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[Spitfire017]

Following the conversation, I am personally against transhumanism. I may be called traditional, but I like my humans the good old fashioned way, with no machines in their bodies, since we would be going down a slippery slope. When I think of it, I see the Borg from Star Trek.

So, synthesis is out of the question for me.

If synthesis happened tomorrow on Earth, chaos would ensue. Same would go for the planets in Mass Effect, and that galaxy doesn't need anymore chaos.

[Ushanka]

Maybe... But only if there is no opportunity to resolve problem with peace. Well, destroy means their death, I'm not too sorry, good sacrifice.

[MegaBadExample]

If synthesis happened on Earth? I would make it my job to kill the bastard who made that decision for us all. No joke. I choose which way I want to go, nobody else does, I do.

I do wish Bioware explained these endings a bit better, though. Still I know my choice.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 08 juin 2012 - 12:13 .

[Ushanka]

Well, not every time you can choose which way you going...

[MegaBadExample]

Ushanka wrote...

Well, not every time you can choose which way you going...

Yes, I can. 

How can I not?

[Ushanka]

I wanted to say, that sometimes you can't choose. You know, life dictates different.
Ok, that's offtop.

[Aurora313]

Whatever. Since I started it I'll put a stop to it. In some people's endings, Ash'll have her pretty brown eyes, and 'maybe' get the slimmest of slim hopes of reuniting with her beloved (if the Normandy Crash was real and not a halucination by Shepard), in others, she's wearing green contacts and sporting a little extra lineart. End of story.

Now I think that we can all jump off the transhumanism stuff now. I apologise for bringing it up and so completely derailing the thread off of our dear Commander.

Back to Ashley... Found a story on fanfiction.net called "Officially Unofficial." Should be able to knock it over in half an hour or so reading. Read it back to back and I loved it. One of the few 'good' Shepley fics around.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 juin 2012 - 12:45 .

[survivor_686]

Aurora313 wrote...

I'd go for a walk, but it's nearly bedtime. About 8:30pm here... though I have to admit, my headcanon is slowly shifting from a destroy ending to a Synthesis ending... (Yes, and Shepard comes back in some form in this one too).

I have the feeling that in Syn, Ash wouldn't nessecarily be overly happy about the changes. Hell, she's probably hate them, but then accept that she can't do anything about it and move on to the rebuild efforts. But honestly, it's more about Shepard wanting to save the most lives at the time which is more important to him than a single person's happiness no matter who that person is.

Though, admittedly, I wish I had flycam so I could actually see what the cybernetics looked like on her.

What happens when you mix robotics and organics together without their consent...Husks!

Synthesis fails to accomplish the goals that you and your allies have been fighting for:
Afuture defined by their choices and decisions. A future free from the meddling and tyranny of the Reapers. Now with everyone being extensively "hacked" without their consent and the Reapers still existing, We've just made everyone more vulnerable

If we are predestined to be come transhumans, shouldn't we do it on our own pace and measure. Forcibly "ascending" everyone without their consent or a discernable evolution in thinking has negative consequences. The Krogan of the ME universe are a prime example of when a species is "ascended" when its not ready.

In fact the Destroy ending actually gives organics some more time to "evolve". It gives us time to learn from our mistakes and push forward. It gives us time to free ourselves from the tyranny of the Mass Relays. It gives us tome to workout intergalactic relations

It gives us time to...whats that you say? All the Relays blew up in explosions? Well guess life as we know it is extinct now...But hey so are the Reapers!

Modifié par survivor_686, 08 juin 2012 - 01:06 .