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[Ushanka]

I should say that many fans on BSN shocked me too... And not only VS hate...

[iHorizons]

DWH1982 wrote...

Edwin Shepard just ignores her when she tries to make her awkward move on him. Pretends it didn't happen.

Kinda the way he deals with Liara, actually.

Meh

[scotiej]

ME2 was a bit awkward in that you had so many other people hitting on you, every other conversation was either Shiala, Gianna, Tali, Jack, Miranda, Kelly, and even Liara a bit in the LotSB dlc trying to make their moves on you. Hell, you'd think Kelly would be a little more understanding of your emotional situation, especially after Horizon.

At the time I never felt offended that Tali hit on me, especially when she knew about Shepard and Ashley. I just never thought about how inappropriate it was until now.

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

Ashley is such a fun squad member to bring on missions.
Ashley and James are my favorite team now

That's the team I usually roll with in ME3. Sometimes I switch it around and bring Ash/Liara when facing Cerberus goons.

My Shepard doesn't ignore Tali and Liara, but  their umm...  'interests' did catch him off-guard as he considers them both like little sisters he has to look out for. ESPECIALLY Tali.

Anyway, at least in my game Shepard will treat Ash in the way she deserves.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 11 juin 2012 - 10:34 .

[iHorizons]

@MBE

I'm actually a big Tali fan, I really like her

[CptData]

Well, in defense of Tali I must say it's a generic issue of ME romance plots: old romantic relationship don't get mentioned at any point if you go after a new LI.

I mean I can understand why Miranda and Jack don't talk about Ashley or Liara. Same for Jacob and Thane. But I really wonder why Tali doesn't ask. Or why Liara makes her move in ME3, knowing Shepard had a thing for Ashley (or Kaidan). It feels as if they don't care for their friends just to get into Shepard's pants.

It's a generic issue. Seems BW writers simply don't get the dynamics of changing relationships, especially if the new lover knows the dumped one as a friend.

It's not Tali's or Liara's fault. It's kinda sloppy development or lack of unterstanding, Take your pick.

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

I'm actually a big Tali fan, I really like her

I like Tali, but in some situations she's so wrong (like making her move on Shepard when she's best firends with Ash).

Considering Tali was a kid when Shepard met her... meh. Sorry, don't pick kids up at the school gate lol. That's not my thing. If Ashley thinks of her as a little sister... she too young for my Shepard, bro.

[iHorizons]

@MBE

I don't agree with that logic. Tali and Shepard are old enough to be together, just because Ash considers her like a younger sister doesn't mean she is really young, that doesn't make sense

[CptData]

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

I don't agree with that logic. Tali and Shepard are old enough to be together, just because Ash considers her like a younger sister doesn't mean she is really young, that doesn't make sense

Well ... we don't know how old a Quarian can become OR what age makes them adult. Afaik the pilgrimage sounds like the Quarian version of an initiation ritual - means: only if they finish it, a Quarian is considered as a full member of their society (aka adult).

Tali was on her pilgrimage at early 20 or so - so she's clearly adult in human standards. Not sure about Quarian standards 'though.

By the way: if Shepard had fallen for Liara at 25 or so, it would feel inappropriate since a 25y old Asari is considered as a child in their society, even if grown up physically. Hell, Liara is still considered as "teen" in Asari society!

[MegaBadExample]

That was intentional by the writers, Data. They wrote that "little sister" line in ME3 for a reason. It showed how close Tali and Ash were, and also reminded players that Tali was a rambling kid when she first joined Shepard in ME1. It's no surprise that Ashley's big sister instinct kicked in with Tali on the Normandy in ME1. Ashley's dig at Tali in the airlock "Congratz on getting your BIG GIRL name." was genius.

I don’t care if it makes people hate Ash. But that line was the best they could do without making Ash go into full-on-b*tch-mode about it. Making Ashley mention Tali's age was genius in a way.

Ashley can say that Jack has a bald head, but if she said something similar about Tali‘s appearance … half the fanbase would call her a vile racist. It's not racist, if you're talking about her age! Smart. I get where they were going with that.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 11 juin 2012 - 10:58 .

[iHorizons]

@CptData

PedoShep loves the younger girls!!

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

I don't agree with that logic. Tali and Shepard are old enough to be together, just because Ash considers her like a younger sister doesn't mean she is really young, that doesn't make sense

They can be together sure, if you're willing to risk your love's health for sex at first. Tali is too young for my Shepard. He thinks of her as a little sister, since she was a kid in ME1, and that outlook won't ever change even when they're 1000.
 
If that's your Shepard's thing, good for you. It's not mines thing, though.

[iHorizons]

@MBE

Shut up please.

[CptData]

Sure thing, MBE. At least Ashley sees Tali as teenager. And the way how she calls her shows how deeply Ash cares for Tali.

It IS a bad move by Tali to try it with Shepard. It is ALSO a bad move by Shepard (or the player) to allow it. However, as I said, it's a writer's fault. Tali should ask Shepard if it's okay for him, if he still has feelings for Ash etc - and Shepard (the player) should be forced to answer a clear "yes" or "no" or at least a "I don't know".

Writer's fault.
Period.

[iHorizons]

@MBE

That burrito you made is only 6 minutes old. It's too young for you. But if that's your thing, it's ok.

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

Shut up please.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Problem?

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

That burrito you made is only 6 minutes old. It's too young for you. But if that's your thing, it's ok.

I'm not planning to have sex with that burrito.

[iHorizons]

MegaBadExample wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

That burrito you made is only 6 minutes old. It's too young for you. But if that's your thing, it's ok.

I'm not planning to have sex with that burrito.

Just put some of your sour cream in there

[MegaBadExample]

CptData wrote...

Sure thing, MBE. At least Ashley sees Tali as teenager. And the way how she calls her shows how deeply Ash cares for Tali.

It IS a bad move by Tali to try it with Shepard. It is ALSO a bad move by Shepard (or the player) to allow it. However, as I said, it's a writer's fault. Tali should ask Shepard if it's okay for him, if he still has feelings for Ash etc - and Shepard (the player) should be forced to answer a clear "yes" or "no" or at least a "I don't know".

Writer's fault.
Period.

Yeah. They made Tali sound like a real backstabber by their carelessness. But that's there fault for wanting the VS out of the picture so badly in ME2 as well. "Don't mention the VS, and the player will move on to the new love interests" *PUSHES MIRANDA AND TALI IN YOUR FACE*

Still, I get what they were going for in ME3.

You do agree with me, that half the fan base would call her racist if she mentioned Tali's appearence, though, right? It was smart of Bioware to get Ashley to mention Tali's age. It is, in no way, racist.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 11 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

That burrito you made is only 6 minutes old. It's too young for you. But if that's your thing, it's ok.

I'm not planning to have sex with that burrito.

Just put some of your sour cream in there

It's not mine. It got made in a factory.

[iHorizons]

@MBE

You could still make love to it

[CptData]

Guys, drop that topic or someone closes this thread.
Thanks.

Yeah, I agree. I can see it already: Ashley calls Tali a "bucketface" - ét voilà - nerd rage
(okay, "bucketface" is really offending ... but hey ... in some fields BW writers are so careless, bet that idea got mentioned at least once in their brainstorm meetings)

Modifié par CptData, 11 juin 2012 - 11:14 .

[MegaBadExample]

iHorizons wrote...

@MBE

You could still make love to it

I only make love to my pillow. Shall we continue this delightful conversation privately old chap?
Data will get pissed and eat your face off because you're not talking about Ashley.

[Beep Il]

Edit: Clearly a volatile subject. Removing post.

Sorry again.

Modifié par Beep Il, 11 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[MegaBadExample]

That link is a trap isn't it?