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[iHorizons]

Lol you guys need to check out this thread

http://social.biowar...ndex/12417449/1

[Baanrit]

The Ashley romance option was always attractive but, I just felt like The way Bioware wrote the thing reminded me of when my great-grandfather had a man-to-man with his future father in law to ask for my great-grandmother's hand in marriage. Somewhere in the conversation, the future father in law leaned forward and in a thick Irish brogue, asked in all seriousness, "Son, are ye sure? I mean are ye really sure of this?"
I always felt they, Bioware, went out of thier way to make Ashley as unattractive as an LI as possible. It could have been so much better of they would have brought her in on one of the ME2 dlc's like Arrival. Perhaps, to help rescue Shep or at least been there when he turned himself in. . . An additional love scene like there was for Lira would have been optional.

[Rudy Lis]

BNN999 wrote...

Seems like people's tastes in ME love interests vary by region, it seems from this thread at least that Ashley is popular amongst Eastern Europeans. I wonder why that is.

Because she is one of ours. And our ladies are best. Czimply cze beczt.

[PwrdOff]

People have unrealistic expectations of how their fantasy heroines should act.  It's pretty hard for a character to simultaneously be a bad-ass modern woman who speaks her mind and never places herself beneath any man, and also the sweet and innocent princess who embodies feminine virtue.  Trying to do both just makes a character seem unrealistic.  Not to hate on Liara, but in that scene in ME3 when she starts raging on Javik, all I could think was "you should probably calm down before you get hurt."

I think all the Ash hate really just reveals that despite all the professed love for strong female characters, in the end most of us are still in love with the damsel's vulnerability.  This extends to Bioware too, in the end their writers are just men, after all.  Sure Ash can be a little harsh on Shepard at times, but that's because having a strong personality doesn't mean "gives everyone else a hard time but completely loving and understanding toward her man."  The religious angle might chafe people too, but falling back on your faith is completely understandable when you are fighting a seemingly unwinnable war, and don't have any special powers like the rest of the ME cast.   Throw in the frumpy ME1 appearance and it's totally understandable why some people hate her so much.

[JedTed]

BNN999 wrote...

I think all the Ash hate really just reveals that despite all the professed love for strong female characters, in the end most of us are still in love with the damsel's vulnerability.  This extends to Bioware too, in the end their writers are just men, after all.  Sure Ash can be a little harsh on Shepard at times, but that's because having a strong personality doesn't mean "gives everyone else a hard time but completely loving and understanding toward her man."  The religious angle might chafe people too, but falling back on your faith is completely understandable when you are fighting a seemingly unwinnable war, and don't have any special powers like the rest of the ME cast.   Throw in the frumpy ME1 appearance and it's totally understandable why some people hate her so much.

I wouldn't say all Ash haters prefer the "damsel in distress" type.  I always saw it as taking her mistrust for aliens and calling that as "racism" when that's totally NOT the case.  She even goes out of her way to seperate her self from the Terra Firma party, saying that nowadays they play off of xenophobia and bigotry.

[krukow]

I will say that the only characters I will romance are Ash and Miranda. While I prefer Ash, they're both strong women who have an actual character. Liara/Tali always creep me out because they're like little school girls. I mean, in ME1, Liara is the Asari version of a teenager and Tali is doing her right of passage thing. Meanwhile Shepard is in his 30's.

So yeah, I enjoy Ash because she's a strong woman and an adult, not some schoolgirl fantasy.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

krukow wrote...

I will say that the only characters I will romance are Ash and Miranda. While I prefer Ash, they're both strong women who have an actual character. Liara/Tali always creep me out because they're like little school girls. I mean, in ME1, Liara is the Asari version of a teenager and Tali is doing her right of passage thing. Meanwhile Shepard is in his 30's.

So yeah, I enjoy Ash because she's a strong woman and an adult, not some schoolgirl fantasy.

I have to agree with you  Im the same way.  I think Bioware not only did an awsome job on both Ashley and Miranda's appearance but  also thier strong independant  personalitys  this combination  that makes them so attractive.  They are equals to Sheapard that  have no trouble taking  and being in control when needed,

The Ash andd Miri haters are useually the ones that have a problem with strong  assertive women  an think  that its a "mans place" to always be in control ..... but  hey women seem to find that bad boy control freak personality more  attractive  then genuine nice guys most of the time . hense the saying nice guys finish last

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 15 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[DWH1982]

The only unattractive thing about Ashley's romance is that there wasn't enough of it in ME3.

[iHorizons]

I love the romance with Ashley

[Spitfire017]

DWH1982 wrote...

The only unattractive thing about Ashley's romance is that there wasn't enough of it in ME3.

I second this.

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

krukow wrote...

I will say that the only characters I will romance are Ash and Miranda. While I prefer Ash, they're both strong women who have an actual character. Liara/Tali always creep me out because they're like little school girls. I mean, in ME1, Liara is the Asari version of a teenager and Tali is doing her right of passage thing. Meanwhile Shepard is in his 30's.

So yeah, I enjoy Ash because she's a strong woman and an adult, not some schoolgirl fantasy.

I have to agree with you Im the same way. I think Bioware not only did an awsome job on both Ashley and Miranda's appearance but also thier strong independant personalitys this combination that makes them so attractive. They are equals to Sheapard that have no trouble taking and being in control when needed,

The Ash andd Miri haters are useually the ones that have a problem with strong assertive women an think that its a "mans place" to always be in control ..... but hey women seem to find that bad boy control freak personality more attractive then genuine nice guys most of the time . hense the saying nice guys finish last

You are right, and I think you are wrong. Its not that they have problems with strong assertive women, but Ash is a very realistic women in a fictional sci-fi game, and she acts like a realistic women. A Talimancer I had a debate with once said that is why "we" hate her. Tali and Liara are a fantasy. That is why they are popular. With Ash, you have to work at the relationship. With Tali and Liara...well, they are the perfect fantasy women for all those gamer nerds out there. They offer something that people can't get in real life (and not just the alien part), while Ash represents the real world, where you must work with the relationship. Its a video game, people expect to simply be entertained and play the "hero" who gets all the love and the girl who never questions them. Its called escapism for a reason.

[scotiej]

Makes a lot of sense, Liara and Tali always seemed to jump into your arms far too easily.

[Dannycni]

Spitfire017 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

The only unattractive thing about Ashley's romance is that there wasn't enough of it in ME3.

I second this.

I third this

[survivor_686]

Dannycni wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

The only unattractive thing about Ashley's romance is that there wasn't enough of it in ME3.

I second this.

I third this

So say we all

[Spitfire017]

survivor_686 wrote...

Dannycni wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

The only unattractive thing about Ashley's romance is that there wasn't enough of it in ME3.

I second this.

I third this

So say we all

www.youtube.com/watch

[Ushanka]

About religious Ash. Why everybody don't like it? What's the problem? She is not only one religious in game. And what's the problem if she believes in something good? (I made Shepard religious =) )

[survivor_686]

Ushanka wrote...

About religious Ash. Why everybody don't like it? What's the problem? She is not only one religious in game. And what's the problem if she believes in something good? (I made Shepard religious =) )

Not really fashionable for religous characters to take such prominence in fictional work...unless they're an evil cardinal or something.

[Baanrit]

That was the thing we didn't get much nearly as much content when it came to an Ashley romance as compared to say Liara or Tali. I thought that in ME1 Ashley was great. Wrex gets to be a problem on Virmire? Ash takes care of business.Don't mess with her O'Captain.

The breakup, if it could be called that, on ME2 - I understood. It made sense.

It was just ME3's handling of Ashley that got under my skin. I was annoyed with the way the wrote the character. Specifically, BW pushed the Cerberus suspicion angle a bit too much. They had it where even after she wakes up in the hospital she still needs some final reassurance that you not Cerberus. It's like: I don't know Ash, I only blew up the base TIM wanted, stole his ship and best crew - along with the most advanced AI in Council Space - so I could turn it all over to the Alliance for a major technology haul. Then on Mars, I killed 50 or so of them, had an argument with the man again, and then, if you remember, the two of us, Jimmy, and Ol'Blue Everything (who totally vouches for me) trashed his shuttle and sexy spy droid. So he responded by having his sexy spy droid dribble your head against the side of burning shuttle just to mess with me a bit. I'd say, I am no longer Cerberus. (That's not including EDI shanghaiing the the sexy spy droid and her earlier zetabytes-of-Joker's-porn caper!)

[Baanrit]

survivor_686 wrote...

Ushanka wrote...

About religious Ash. Why everybody don't like it? What's the problem? She is not only one religious in game. And what's the problem if she believes in something good? (I made Shepard religious =) )

Not really fashionable for religous characters to take such prominence in fictional work...unless they're an evil cardinal or something.

Anytime you handle religion it is going to set people off. Given the offenders on both sides of the issue, It is just the rancourous nature of our times. 

[Ushanka]

I believe in God, and nobody sees the problem in this. Looks like another side of western culture.

[survivor_686]

On an unrelated note...just finished playing Bring Down the Sky. Ashley is a god send on that mission. Just gave her a shotgun, sledghammer ammo and sent her straight into the Batarian horde. She knocked them down and I finished them off.

[Joe1962]

survivor_686 wrote...

Dannycni wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

The only unattractive thing about Ashley's romance is that there wasn't enough of it in ME3.

I second this.

I third this

So say we all

Indeed.

[Spitfire017]

Ushanka wrote...

I believe in God, and nobody sees the problem in this. Looks like another side of western culture.

I have faith in God, but I know of plenty of people who have a problem with others believing.

People who do actually have a problem with others being religous or having faith in a higher power, is similar to Ashley haters, if I can use this metaphor, which in itself (as Ash fans can see) rather irrational and ignorant, and they prefer to keep hating because they have kept hold onto it for so long that it is the only thing they know.  I remember someone saying, "If you believe in God, then you are not intelligent," and wouldn't budge from his stance even though someone actually proved him wrong, but he just kept on hating.

Disclaimer: Hope I didn't cross anylines by writing that. Its just my opinion, and based off my experience debating with ME fans as well as religion with others, both in real life and on the internet. I was also not making an argument against any people who do not believe in God(s) nor making arguments for the existence of god(s).

Edit: Heres an Ash pic.

Modifié par Spitfire017, 15 juin 2012 - 04:31 .

[Dannycni]

Ash still doing well in the poll, 118 votes now Liara is second with 59.

The issue about disliking Ashley because she is religious is just another way certain players show their own prejudices and close mindedness. If she was a raging religious nut like a classical tv evangelist then I could understand people being put off but she isn't...unless a brief mention about something that is important to her counts as being fanatical?

[scotiej]

@Spitfire; You didn't offend at all. I too believe in God and I found it refreshing that Ash can stand up for her beliefs without feelings the zealous need to jam it down other people's throats. Some people just can't handle that and often use irrational reasons as a basis for their argument.

Other people I've encountered have legitimate reasons for distrusting and misunderstanding people who believe in God because of how they've been treated in the past. Doesn't make it right, but if we learn to understand where some of these "haters" come from, then maybe someone's opinion might be changed.

Of course many people hate on Ash and others like her in reality just because that's all they know, or they think it's fun, etc.

Modifié par scotiej, 15 juin 2012 - 05:33 .

[lil yonce]

Alright, Project Phoenix group members. Step up discussion!

Visit these new threads and start posting your opinions and suggestions.

http://social.biowar...scussion/22452/ - Triple Backstory Shepard

http://social.biowar...scussion/22371/ - Ashley's Promotion to LtCdr.