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[DWH1982]

I think a War Hero Shepard's background is embelleshed a bit. I tend to imagine it more like Audie Murphy:

On January 26, 1945, Audie Murphy (a real-life example of a One-Man Army if there ever was one) held off a German unit singlehandedly. He used his personal weapon until he ran out of ammunition, then climbed into the burning wreckage of several tank destroyers to use their .50 caliber machine guns until those ran out of ammunition, and then used a field telephone to direct close artillery fire on the oncoming Germans. It should be noted that while he was doing this, he not only was wounded by enemy fire, he was still bandaged from an earlier wound received in combat against the Germans. (He was also fighting in two feet of snow in temperatures that hovered around 14 degrees Fahrenheit.) He kept this one-man battle up for almost an hour before reinforcements arrived at his position. When the reinforcements finally did arrive, he organized them into a counter-attack, which he led, driving the Germans from the field. For being such a balls-out badass, Murphy was awarded the Medal of Honor. Twice.

[CptData]

We simply could write an own background for Shepard, using places mentioned in the original backgrounds with similar impact (War Hero on Elysium, Ruthless on Torfan).

I'd like to remove the "Butcher of Torfan" reputation for Shepard OUTSIDE of the Batarian Hegemony. Means: everyone else remembers Shepard as a good man who simply did what had to be done on Torfan while the Batarians feel butthurt and call him "Butcher".

The War Hero background - I definitely like your militia idea. It could be used as background to explain why Shep is a natural born leader ...

Currently working @ Ashley's background, could use some of your help, Rudy.

[DWH1982]

By the way, the codex entry from ME1 hints at Shepard organizing others into a makeshift militia:

You were on shore leave at Elysium when the first wave of the Skyllian Blitz struck. A massive coalition force of slavers, crime syndicates, and batarian warlords attacked the human colony, determined to wipe it out.

You rallied the civilian inhabitants, leading them in their desperate fight to hold off the invaders. When enemy troops broke through the colony's defenses, you single-handedly held them off and sealed the breach.

After hours of brutal fighting, reinforcements finally arrived and the enemy broke ranks and fled. Because of your actions, Elysium was saved, and you are regarded throughout the Alliance as a true hero.

I think ME2 and 3 lost sight of that point somewhat, which is why whenever someone says that Shepard did it "single handedly," I assume they're embellishing.

Modifié par DWH1982, 21 juin 2012 - 10:00 .

[Rudy Lis]

CptData wrote...

We simply could write an own background for Shepard, using places mentioned in the original backgrounds with similar impact (War Hero on Elysium, Ruthless on Torfan).

Not needed. We just write them more thoroughly and without that nonsense, that's all. I don't know how much of what I've sent to Y4E she placed at PP, but IIRC I wrote enough on that.

CptData wrote...

I'd like to remove the "Butcher of Torfan" reputation for Shepard OUTSIDE of the Batarian Hegemony. Means: everyone else remembers Shepard as a good man who simply did what had to be done on Torfan while the Batarians feel butthurt and call him "Butcher".

And who said someone calls him that way, outside of batarians and certain persons seeking to offend him on stress it shouldn't be Shepard telling them what to do? I don't recall such cases.

CptData wrote...

The War Hero background - I definitely like your militia idea. It could be used as background to explain why Shep is a natural born leader ...

Idea is not mine, it's in game. Problem is they not developed it fully, turn him into one vs everyone. It makes about as much sense as Ashley's jump in ranks.

CptData wrote...

Currently working @ Ashley's background, could use some of your help, Rudy.

I'm doing that with Y4E, but if I can lend a hand - I keep open door policy.

[BP93]

DWH1982 wrote...

I think a War Hero Shepard's background is embelleshed a bit. I tend to imagine it more like Audie Murphy:

On January 26, 1945, Audie Murphy (a real-life example of a One-Man Army if there ever was one) held off a German unit singlehandedly. He used his personal weapon until he ran out of ammunition, then climbed into the burning wreckage of several tank destroyers to use their .50 caliber machine guns until those ran out of ammunition, and then used a field telephone to direct close artillery fire on the oncoming Germans. It should be noted that while he was doing this, he not only was wounded by enemy fire, he was still bandaged from an earlier wound received in combat against the Germans. (He was also fighting in two feet of snow in temperatures that hovered around 14 degrees Fahrenheit.) He kept this one-man battle up for almost an hour before reinforcements arrived at his position. When the reinforcements finally did arrive, he organized them into a counter-attack, which he led, driving the Germans from the field. For being such a balls-out badass, Murphy was awarded the Medal of Honor. Twice.

Wow.

I guess that would work. Just have to translate that to combat some 200 years into the future...

[Rudy Lis]

I was trying to find his second MoH award, but wasn't able to do so. And don't consider it as belittling, but 45, Western Front and -10C? Yes, two feet of snow is a ****.

[BadExamp1e]

　
@Nova; What the heck was all that about? FYI, it’s a lot easier if you break this up lol

Most of what you've wrote is all flawed, IMO. But I’m tired, and have no idea where you are going with this. I don’t want to get into a big debate about women and their attire outside. Whatever you wear, from a distance people judge your character, and in a way it describes who you are. Like a person wearing a leather studded suit in church --people are going to judge and ask questions "Why do you where it?" It happens. Women are allowed to wear whatever they want outside. However, if a woman is in a battlefield in Afghanistan should she be allowed to wear heels and a jacket  to look "sexy" at the expense of her safety?

Anyway…

Ashley isn’t that type of character, you make her out to be. She has stated, “I wear armor into battle, not swimwear.” Where’s your armor, Ash? Kaidan always wears his into battle. To me, that’s damaging her as character. When it’s something the character actually says she doesn’t do, but the player is given the option to MAKE her because he/she wants her in skimpier clothing. Ash is practical, she’s a realist -- that’s what she is. And yet she's specifically wears unpractical clothing that would normally give her a disadvantage in a deadly and unsuitable environment? That’s OOC. Wearing a suit to flaunt her body isn’t Ash, ESPECIALLY in fights. Running in heels in a fight? Isn’t Ash -- that’s when I have a huge problem with it, when it seems OOC.

Sorry, but when all the fellas suit up in armor when entering any combat situation, and Ashley and Liara don’t? Or have their ‘alternative casual outfit’ that’s allowed to be worn during ground missions -- it says it plainly enough to me. What’s different about them? -- oh, oh, wait.

Miranda’s outfit is silly with the occupation she has, and by that I mean when she’s in gun fights come ME2. She looked like a clown, but most of the ME2 characters looked ridiculous barring Garrus, or Grunt. I’m aware I’m making judgements, but so is everyone. For such an extremely intelligent woman you would think she would have a little bit more sense to wear something more combat-ready with some protection at least when it counted? But I digress, Miranda can where whatever she wants. She seems like the ‘flaunting my perfect body type’ however Ashley isn’t. I know that much. It’s just a shame that a smart and gifted woman like Miranda apparently doesn’t have the sense to pull on some armor before going into a fire-fight. Making me miss the days of ME1 where I could make her sensible.

However in ME3, Miranda is on the run from everybody. She doesn’t want to draw attention. Wouldn’t something a little less eye-catching and suitable be more appropriate? Since Miranda clearly has the brains, and would take any advantage she could get to improve herself? Instead Bioware didn’t want to change her ironic appearance, or the ass shots… and that was that.

Sorry, if this makes little sense, but I’m completely knackered today.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 01:47 .

[Rudy Lis]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Sorry, if this makes little sense, but I’m completely knackered today.

Nah, perfect statement, I'd back almost every part of it. Not that you need my backup. Especially I like armour part. High-five! (due lack of better smilie)


Alright, everyone, I'm not sure I'll be available online this weekend - Valencia GP, plus cookies&bakery marathon, but if you need me - PM is there, e-mail is there, and those who knows my phone number - call. Except when there is F1 TV-feed.

Let's get this show on the road!

[BadExamp1e]

Heh. Well thanks. It's not easy writing up a long-ass-post with your little cousin sitting on your knee eating sticky sweets, and listening to "Don't wake me up" on youtube and her singing along lol

Awfully distracting.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[CptData]

I fail.
Fail in keeping me distracted 'cause lack of work that could me keep distracted from thoughts of another woman.

Well.

I need a vacation and a flirt while being in vacation. Ashley?

[BP93]

I always make Ash wear the armor. I totally agree aboutME2 though.. Garrus, Zaeed, Grunt, and to a lesser extent Thane, were the only ones who looked like they ready for battle.

Like Jacob in ME3... maybe if you were wearing armor you wouldnt have been hit! LOL

[NovaBlastMarketing]

BadExamp1e wrote...
　
@Nova; What the heck was all that about? FYI, it’s a lot easier if you break this up lol

***SNIP** Whatever you wear, from a distance people judge your character, and in a way it describes who you are. Like a person wearing a leather studded suit in church --people are going to judge and ask questions "Why do you where it?" It happens.

 

That people do that was my point. I guess it was just my way of defending both Ash and Miranda from being refered to as  even having the  "image"   of anything  unflattering or unrepectable.

BadExamp1e wrote... 

***snip** Ashley isn’t that type of character, you make her out to be. She has stated, “I wear armor into battle, not swimwear.”

  

I wasnt trying to make her out to be ... ....my whole point was even if she decided to start dressing more provocitively it would not change who she was as a person she still be the same strong independant woman that she  always has been and should not be subject to any unflattering or unrespectable  perceptions simply becase of the outfit she is wearing shows more  of her body than whats socially normal.

BadExamp1e wrote...  

Where’s your armor, Ash? Kaidan always wears his into battle. To me, that’s damaging her as character. When it’s something the character actually says she doesn’t do, but the player is given the option to MAKE her because he/she wants her in skimpier clothing. Ash is practical, she’s a realist -- that’s what she is. And yet she's specifically wears unpractical clothing that would normally give her a disadvantage in a deadly and unsuitable environment? That’s OOC. Wearing a suit to flaunt her body isn’t Ash, ESPECIALLY in fights. Running in heels in a fight? Isn’t Ash -- that’s when I have a huge problem with it, when it seems OOC.

Sorry, but when all the fellas suit up in armor when entering any combat situation, and Ashley and Liara don’t? Or have their ‘alternative casual outfit’ that’s allowed to be worn during ground missions -- it says it plainly enough to me. What’s different about them? -- oh, oh, wait.

Miranda’s outfit is silly with the occupation she has, and by that I mean when she’s in gun fights come ME2. She looked like a clown, but most of the ME2 characters looked ridiculous barring Garrus, or Grunt. I’m aware I’m making judgements, but so is everyone. For such an extremely intelligent woman you would think she would have a little bit more sense to wear something more combat-ready with some protection at least when it counted? But I digress,

Miranda can where whatever she wants. She seems like the ‘flaunting my perfect body type’ however Ashley isn’t. I know that much. It’s just a shame that a smart and gifted woman like Miranda apparently doesn’t have the sense to pull on some armor before going into a fire-fight. Making me miss the days of ME1 where I could make her sensible.
However in ME3, Miranda is on the run from everybody. She doesn’t want to draw attention. Wouldn’t something a little less eye-catching and suitable be more appropriate? Since Miranda clearly has the brains, and would take any advantage she could get to improve herself? Instead Bioware didn’t want to change her ironic appearance, or the ass shots… and that was that.

Sorry, if this makes little sense, but I’m completely knackered today.

I covered that here.. but your right  she could have worn somthing differnt keeping the same style  just  a non cerberus one

NovaBlastMarketing wrote... 

Ok……now fun part …how to I justify the sexy outfits in battle instead of bulky armour like Me1. 

I make my own back story for it of course!

For example I justify Miranda black and white outfit as a secret Cerberus project to make a light weight heavy armour alterative . Her attire actually had the protection value of the best heavy armour available. Ashley red and white outfit was also the first successful attempt at the alliance making a similar set of armour based on stolen Cerberus designs.

(edit - if your going  to make lightweight armour  you might as well make it fashonible and sexy..thats not unreasonable for  any design of female fashion)

This was superior to normal heavy armour because it gave all the protection of heavy armour without the encumbrance allowing them to have the best of both worlds the protection of heavy armour and the speed and agilely of normal clothing. Which in turn improve their battlefield performance.

How did I come up with that . The Mithril vest Frodo Baggins wore. If you recall it was lightweight but it absorbed the impact velocity and subsequent piercing force of an ogre impaling him with a spear bigger than he was without so much as a dent to the armour or injury to him.

So the conclusion to that is yes Ashley an Miranda have always been attired both practically and functionally as well abeing incredibly sexy while doing it . 

As for all the body shots the camera did of Ash an Miri in the course of all three games was award winning I wish there was more in my opinion as well and did not tarnish my views of them at a core level. That is just my personal view though.

If anyone manages to make it all the way down her without falling asleep let me know what you think lol 

Hope you understand my post better now thanks for your  response

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 21 juin 2012 - 03:07 .

[BadExamp1e]

@Nova; Ash wouldn't be a different person, but it would change her as a person, her personality and the way she thinks and ticks. If Ashley suddenly started wearing a tight catsuit like Miranda and heels into battle -- it would make her stupid -- and Ashley isn't stupid. She's not the smartest, but she's nowhere near stupid. She's written to be practical, wearing that type of outfit into battle isn't practical, hence damaging her as a character -- making her out to be something's she's not.

@BP; Now, I'm beginning to think it's just whoever works for Cerberus. They all seem to like their jumpsuits, even if it means they get shot up for having no protections (lol Jacob) -- ha logic. Then again, Cerberus do like to take their risks. They seem incapable of running a facility without half the staff, or more dying.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

BadExamp1e wrote...

@Nova; Ash wouldn't be a different person, but it would change her as a person, her personality and the way she thinks and ticks. If Ashley suddenly started wearing a tight catsuit like Miranda and heels into battle -- it would make her stupid -- and Ashley isn't stupid. She's not the smartest, but she's nowhere near stupid. She's written to be practical, wearing that type of outfit into battle isn't practical, hence damaging her as a character -- making her out to be something's she's not..

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

[BadExamp1e]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

@Nova; Ash wouldn't be a different person, but it would change her as a person, her personality and the way she thinks and ticks. If Ashley suddenly started wearing a tight catsuit like Miranda and heels into battle -- it would make her stupid -- and Ashley isn't stupid. She's not the smartest, but she's nowhere near stupid. She's written to be practical, wearing that type of outfit into battle isn't practical, hence damaging her as a character -- making her out to be something's she's not..

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

How so? Do you disagree -- if a woman wore a jacket and heels into a fire-fight for "sexy" instead of "protection" that it's stupid? Giving her a huge disadvantage when running, and moving ect.

It's not logical at all. And Miranda is made out to be an intelligent character, so how does that fit?

Sorry, but if Ashley felt the need to be "sexy" in every aspect of her life -- including on the battlefield. I'd say she's changed. Not a different person (nobody can be), but changed.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 03:22 .

[NovaBlastMarketing]

BadExamp1e wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

@Nova; Ash wouldn't be a different person, but it would change her as a person, her personality and the way she thinks and ticks. If Ashley suddenly started wearing a tight catsuit like Miranda and heels into battle -- it would make her stupid -- and Ashley isn't stupid. She's not the smartest, but she's nowhere near stupid. She's written to be practical, wearing that type of outfit into battle isn't practical, hence damaging her as a character -- making her out to be something's she's not..

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

How so? Do you disagree -- if a woman wore a jacket and heels into a fire-fight for "sexy" instead of "protection" that it's stupid? Giving her a huge disadvantage when running, and moving ect.

It's not logical at all. And Miranda is made out to be an intelligent character, so how does that fit?

Sorry, but if Ashley felt the need to be "sexy" in every aspect of her life -- including on the battlefield. I'd say she's changed. Not a different person (nobody can be), but changed.

I covered your points on practicality and safety if your re-read the last part. Technically my solution  is an imporvement over normal armour and improves battle performance ... so yes i was thinking of practicality an safety .

 As for your other points . My points makes sense and are logical to me  even if  she changed her  fashion choices.

I would not change the opinoin that devopled in me1.  she  would still command the upmost respect and  I  woul still conider  her  one  of the most intelegent members of the squad with amazing leaddership skills. Same goes for Miri   Attire  changes nothing for me regarding the person themself.

*fixed errors

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 21 juin 2012 - 03:47 .

[survivor_686]

With regards to fashion choices on Ashley's part:

They are essentially visual methods employed by the artists to show Ashley's new confidence. Bear in mind when we say Ashley in action, she's wearing battle armor. When she's recuperating in the Citadel, she doesn't wear her armor, because its not a battle situation...yet.

The designers gave her alternate choices in order to fit in with other characters (I always did find it odd that Garrus in ME2 insisted on wearing armour which had a whole punched in it). Liara has the choice between wearing a modified Broker's suit or sensible battle armour (I gave her the armor).

Anyone else notice that the Asari refuse to wear helmets...ever? In the entire ME series the Asari have never worn helmets once. The Turians, Drell, Humans and even the Krogan wore helmets in battle. But the Asari seem to have something against it. Maybe the Goddess forbade helmets?

As for Miranda and Jacob still wearing their skinsuits in the while on the run or in a firefight respectively...Could be that the artists felt that changing their clothing would throw players off?

The funny thing is that as much people complain about Ashley having a "sexed-up" suit (from one of my acquaintances) its actually quite plausible to imagine her putting it on without breaking the laws of physics.

Miranda's catsuit on the other hand...Does she vacuum seal it? Cos I would imagine putting skintight leotards being an extremely tortuous process.

Modifié par survivor_686, 21 juin 2012 - 03:53 .

[BadExamp1e]

@Nova; It's still not armor.

Well realistically people's opinions change (slightly or hugely) when the character (or person) goes through different kinds of development. How many people have posted on here that they used to love Ash in ME1, but don't like what's happened to her in ME3? I've heard it mentioned quite a lot.

There is nothing smart about wearing heels and a jacket into battle over a good set of decent armor.

Fashion changes, I have no problem with. But the desire to wear unpractical clothing on the battlefield is a different thing. The value of your life, health and performance should be more important than how "sexy" you look when fighting, and if it isn't - that person is stupid. And in Ash's case, if that did happen -- she's changed from the person she used to be. In ME1, Ashley liked who she was. She didn't feel the need to be somebody different (or risk her safety) for the pleasure of any man, and it would be a incredibly sad day for me as an Ash fan, when she does.

Thankfully, the girl has armor. Yet can be forced out of it by the player... which is wrong and ooc.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[Dannycni]

Example I'm glad to see your still fighting your corner here, I agree with you but I can't be bothered jumping into the debate so keep up the good work

Another friend just finished ME3 last night, his comments about it made me think 'another one bites the dust' poor lad.

[BadExamp1e]

Of course, I will, Danny.

Ashley wearing heels and jacket is fine. Wearing it in a combat situation is just stupid, and OOC.

"Hey, I'm Ashley Williams, and I wear armor into battle, not swimwear."

No, you don't, Ash. The player decides that, no matter what you say otherwise. -.-

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[BP93]

Shepard: "I don't care what you wear into battle, I just care what you wear in bed. Or what you don't wear... If you know what I mean."

[BadExamp1e]

Giggity

I wonder what Ash's response to that would be:

1. "You don't care if I'm properly suited up? You're a crappy Commander."
2. "I'll wear whatever the hell I want in bed."
3. "That was awful."

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 04:38 .

[BP93]

I'm going to take a line from gamer poop:

"Let's play nasty."

[CptData]

Shepard: "I don't care what you wear into battle, I just care what you wear in bed. Or what you don't wear... If you know what I mean."
Ashley:
Mind if I show you a demonstration?
Make me!
If you command this ship nude, I'll help you with your gear.

[Dannycni]

Is it me or is it getting hot in here? Phew!