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DWH1982

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I caught the video on the NBC Nightly News. It was brutal, and I feel sorry for the woman, but, honestly, what I find really surprising is that anyone is that surprised.

I remember riding the bus when I was around that age, and it was not generally a pleasant experience. When my Dad went into business for himself and had hours that were a little more flexible, I stopped doing it completely because he could just pick me up after school. Didn't miss a thing about the school bus.

Anyway... This post is in desperate need of Ash:

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I wrote a continuation for the dialouge where Shepard and Ash's relationship is outted by the media this evening. Thinking about posting it in here tomorrow, but I'm afraid it might be a little on the long side. It comes out to about three pages in Word.

I'm also not completely satisfied with how Ash is handled, but as much as I like her, she's difficult to write for. Guess I wouldn't make a very good Bioware writer. Shepard is only easy because I just have to follow my own "vision" for Edwin Shepard.

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No such thing as too long. The more the better.

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scotiej wrote...

@Example; I just saw that video as well. That was horrible, I probably would've beat the crap out of those retards.


I know. It's completely sick. I hope those messed up kids get what's coming to them, and I hope that lady does too. She struggles to make ends meet, more than most of us, I imagine. She deserves to retire away from that BS. I donated to help her get that. Never once did I ever disrespect an elder, never mind to that degree. I couldn't even watch the whole video.

Ah, just thinking about it makes my blood boil.

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@DWH: Here's an idea; if you don't want to post it on fanfiction, just post it here in sections at a time. Might take a while, but it will keep the thread going.

@Example; I work as a custodian for a local middle school and the kids can get just as bad. It can be pretty horrific. We just can't do anything other than talk to the principal about it and hope something gets done.

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Funny thing is I've never heard of a school bus monitor. For me, it was always just the driver telling everyone to sit their ass down or he/she was turning the bus around. lol Riding the bus in middle school was pretty fun now that I stop and think about it.

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When I was in 4th or 5th grade, I remember how some of the kids actually pushed our bus driver to tears.

I guess most of them are okay, but there's always that group of kids that seems to ruin things for everyone around them.

Also, I am thinking about posting my dialouge in sections. Just need to figure out if there are natural breaking points for it or not.

Modifié par DWH1982, 22 juin 2012 - 01:58 .


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wow...just reading all those Ash thread pages with being off for a day!! Holy crap this thread moved fast. Reminds me of my old lurker days. Since I am way too tired to get into any discussions and still feeling a buzz from beer, Ill just say that I hated riding the bus (mainly for bullies) and post this:

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@DWH1982: Please post that Shepley dialouge. I was actually looking forward to see what happens with Hackett.
And this:
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Believe me, I'm 18 and I know how bad it can get on the buses. I remember one time, this kid from a different school and was sitting at the front of the bus and we were at the back. Basically one of the guys (who is a mate of mine) decided to act big in front of everyone. He kept saying he was going to hit the kid for no reason at all. At the time I didn’t think he was going to do it because he had no reason to, and the statement was quickly forgotten. On the way off the bus, though -- he just punched the kid so fast -- square on the nose and busted it. It was bleeding so bad that the bus driver couldn’t continue on driving, she had to stay at the bus stop and call an ambulance. The guy got suspended for two days and that was it. It’s crazy.

I remember another time his brother ran and fired an apple down the bus -- it smacked the front window causing the bus driver to smash on the breaks. And you know what? The guy didn’t get thrown off the bus for it. Every day after school, travelling on that bus -- it was like a madhouse at times, something was always happening. Fights, bullying, mooning out the windows at cars. But they were all teenagers acting up. But a child bullying an elder? Drawing the line there. BIG TIME.

Bet Ash would want to snap them in half.

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Yeah, the kids mouth off to us fairly often. That's not to say there aren't any decent, respectful kids out there but they're quickly getting out numbered.

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Youth4Ever wrote...

@Kalilkilic; Welcome to Project Phoenix. And just because of this comment, I'll be stepping up promotion big time in the Ash thread!

:devil:


Regards. 

Project Phoenix. This is a rather, daunting task, if nothing else. The amalgamation of the ideas would be one of the toughest's tasks, second only to, (I assume) actually having a sensible storyline/plot which can seamlessly incorporate several sub plots, if desired, all the while keeping readers immersed in something that they enjoy, not because it has one particular perspective of Shepard that they like, but rather, because of how ideas were stemmed and streamed from all of you, into a Shepard whose differences (from their own Shepard) they can appreciate just because it's different in the "right" way. Meaning that, for example, it can be easy to just pick and choose a default like, War Hero, Ruthless or Soul Survivor, but it becomes more interesting, more human, if you wipe the slate clean and discuss who your own Shepards were, and thereby create a new person, a new background. You shouldn't really think of it as just "merging two backgrounds." Start with no backgrounds, an empty canvas. And create a background.

And yes, there'll be differences among contributors, but that's because some aspects of the characters would have to be more concrete where they won't be much room for "merging' if you will. If the traits that are to be concrete in a character's personality are not; if s/he acts like an angel in one plot, and then like a devil in the other, and then like a stoic dud in an other plot, semblance of who the person is just falls apart. Your story loses touch, and readers just drift away from the characters. So some things would have to be concrete in order to have a defined direction, or focus. This would also impact on storytelling and is quite different from a character experiencing or expressing a myriad of emotions. What the characters experience and how they react to it would help the readers understand the characters and this again aids in storytelling. Your readers would know what to expect from the characters and in this light, readers can appreciate characters with a difference. Even though they may not relate to the characters personally, because of the fact that they get to know them on a personal level is what Attachment and Immersion is all about. This is what Bioware WAS good at one time. And in order to make this something worth reading, it has to put to the test Bioware's previous work on storytelling. We all know that our simple headcannon nowadays surpasses alot of what Bioware did in ME3.
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If it's Ashley centered though, you still have your supporting cast. And the development of each character impacts on Ashley's development as a character herself in her story. However you meld and create Shepard is an indication of how Ashley views Shepard thereby becoming an extension of Ashley herself. After all, it is her supercannon. You wouldnt want to create Shepard 'A' with a set of traits and then create Ashley 'Z' with a set of traits that would make her hate Shepard 'A' only to have the two of them magically fall in love. We can do that, but then no one would read it and we'd be worse than Bioware...Imagine that...So Z is dependent on A and A tends to be a subset of Z or an intersecting set if you will.

I really do think that the hardest thing would be getting down to the minute of details in all your ideas and from there work your way up into creating a full blown concept for a character or a situation. Once that is down, the storyline becomes that much easier to weave albeit it, keeping it interesting would be the toughest task. Nothing has to be deep convoluted complicated ideas that would lose the reader before they even reach it, but a balance of simplistic yet aesthetic, with contemplative and real ideas would do the trick. Of all things, the supercannon must be human.

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Shepard: Here we go again. Everyone ready for the job?
Garrus: I'm right behind you.
Ashley: Let's get it done and then back home!

...

Ashley: Well ... that didn't work the way we're used to.
Garrus: Indeed.
Ashley: I mean, what went wrong? We were prepared, had our equipment ...
Garrus: And now Shepard's dead.
Shepard: Dead? Was that nasty Batarian again ... stupid bar. I'll never learn it.
Ashley: You're alive!
Garrus: Didn't that barman die last time on Omega?
Shepard: Must be his brother then.

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Everything i know is that i will destroy the reapers in the ec once more with my favourite "kick ass" ashley at my side.

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iHorizons

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Again why do people post those pics? They are so creepy

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Oh ash <3

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iHorizons wrote...

Again why do people post those pics? They are so creepy


I don't think so. She looks sexy :P

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At first I was a little creeped out by the pictures, but I've started liking them.

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kalikilic wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

@Kalilkilic; Welcome to Project Phoenix. And just because of this comment, I'll be stepping up promotion big time in the Ash thread!

:devil:


-snip-


Thank you. I have had some concerns about detailing Shepards background, and you pretty much expressed how I felt about the project. This should be posted there as well.

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^That pic isn't too bad but some are weird.

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CptData wrote...

I don't think so. She looks sexy :P


Well, I saw some of German movies... Posted Image


scotiej wrote...

At first I was a little creeped out by the pictures, but I've started liking them.


Be careful, it may spoil your taste, at first you feel disgust but then all of a sudden "you know, it's fairly decent!" Posted Image

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lol

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Rudy: what "german movies"?

By the way, I think I'm fallen in love. Again. Why is that student co-worker so gawddamn pretty? She has Ashley's face ...

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scotiej wrote...

lol


Well, I warned you. I ate strange food in my days. Food was acceptable, but spoiling my tastes in music and art? No ****ing way!


CptData wrote...

Rudy: what "german movies"?


How the **** I'm suppose to know - they were on German!Posted Image
One TV series I liked involved (or revolved around) EC-135 helicopter. Air police or something like that. Posted Image


CptData wrote...

By the way, I think I'm fallen in love. Again. Why is that student co-worker so gawddamn pretty? She has Ashley's face ...


And what your fiancee think about that?

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She doesn't know and with some luck won't ever learn about it.
In a way I'm glad I won't see that co-worker after next week since then I'm going to leave most likely.
Hopefully.

If not ... well ... sometimes you realize nothing is made for eternity.

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Okay. Please, everyone involved with PP, let your Shepard Headcannon go. Let it go. Let it go. *Breath in* Woooooosa. *Breath out* Let it go. This is a collaborative effort.

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@BadExample; I want to avoid glossing over details as much as possible. It's not real nor is it as interesting when details are scant or missing entirely from a story, especially when it comes to a major character.

Of all the dialogues I've written, the Shepard and Ashley centered dialogues have the most views and the most comments. Shepley is a lightning rod. This thread is dedicated to the Shepley dynamic. To Ashmancers. Her character is inextricably tied to Shepard from a storytelling POV.

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Also, every topic at PP is highly debatable, nothing is set in stone. But you all must embrace debate. Don't avoid it. It is in fact, unavoidable. And all topics require a more response than, my Shepard didn't do it, he wasn't like that.

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And I assumed updates where visible, that as long as you were a group member you would receive group updates on PP. Every time someone posts in group discussion, I see it. Big orange update in the top left corner of my webpage begging me to click on it. If not, I can post smaller details here.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 22 juin 2012 - 05:46 .


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kalikilic wrote...

Regards. 

Project Phoenix. This is a rather, daunting task, if nothing else. The amalgamation of the ideas would be one of the toughest's tasks, second only to, (I assume) actually having a sensible storyline/plot which can seamlessly incorporate several sub plots, if desired, all the while keeping readers immersed in something that they enjoy, not because it has one particular perspective of Shepard that they like, but rather, because of how ideas were stemmed and streamed from all of you, into a Shepard whose differences (from their own Shepard) they can appreciate just because it's different in the "right" way. Meaning that, for example, it can be easy to just pick and choose a default like, War Hero, Ruthless or Soul Survivor, but it becomes more interesting, more human, if you wipe the slate clean and discuss who your own Shepards were, and thereby create a new person, a new background. You shouldn't really think of it as just "merging two backgrounds." Start with no backgrounds, an empty canvas. And create a background.


PP is not simple, but it isn't as complex as you believe it to be. It is not a novel or a chain story. There will be no, "You go, I go. You write this subplot, I'll write the main script. You do characters, I do plot. You write this chapter, I'll write the next."  None of that.

It will be a collection of polished stories, dialogues, diary entries, emails, whatever-piece-of-writing-describes the life and career Ashley Williams from 2176-2186.

Shepard will be featured as a major character in Ashley's story. Why? Because two games center on their dynamic as a Superior-Subordinate. Lover-Ex Flame. Alliance-Cerberus. There was a lot to the Shepard and Ash relationship in ME2 and ME3 and the execution of that storyarc was diappointing to say the least. And the impact he had on her over three years was significant. It changed her and it changed him. We can illustrate that development.

And I think it's best to go with what you know. Write what you know. We all know the gist each background. Why start from scratch? In-game Shepard has been shaped by those three backgrounds.

And yes, there'll be differences among contributors, but that's because some aspects of the characters would have to be more concrete where they won't be much room for "merging' if you will. If the traits that are to be concrete in a character's personality are not; if s/he acts like an angel in one plot, and then like a devil in the other, and then like a stoic dud in an other plot, semblance of who the person is just falls apart. Your story loses touch, and readers just drift away from the characters. So some things would have to be concrete in order to have a defined direction, or focus. This would also impact on storytelling and is quite different from a character experiencing or expressing a myriad of emotions. What the characters experience and how they react to it would help the readers understand the characters and this again aids in storytelling. Your readers would know what to expect from the characters and in this light, readers can appreciate characters with a difference. Even though they may not relate to the characters personally, because of the fact that they get to know them on a personal level is what Attachment and Immersion is all about. This is what Bioware WAS good at one time. And in order to make this something worth reading, it has to put to the test Bioware's previous work on storytelling. We all know that our simple headcannon nowadays surpasses alot of what Bioware did in ME3.


That is precisely why PP contributors must discuss each topic and communicate with one another before beginning. That is precisely why a template Shepard is being decided. There cannot be several Shepard extremes. It won't work.

If it's Ashley centered though, you still have your supporting cast. And the development of each character impacts on Ashley's development as a character herself in her story. However you meld and create Shepard is an indication of how Ashley views Shepard thereby becoming an extension of Ashley herself. After all, it is her supercannon. You wouldnt want to create Shepard 'A' with a set of traits and then create Ashley 'Z' with a set of traits that would make her hate Shepard 'A' only to have the two of them magically fall in love. We can do that, but then no one would read it and we'd be worse than Bioware...Imagine that...So Z is dependent on A and A tends to be a subset of Z or an intersecting set if you will.


No, Shepard does not need to be an extension of Ashley. I'd prefer a juxtapose them. At their core, they are vaslty different characters. Shepard is an N7 graduate. Ash has spent most of her career on garriosn duty. Shepard is the Alliance Posterboy. Ashley's grandfather is considered a shame to humanity.

But I think it goes without saying that there is a baseline commonality to their relationship as humans, as Alliance soldiers, as friends, and as lovers. Working within those confines the possibility of genrating a Anti-Ash Shepard is slim.


I really do think that the hardest thing would be getting down to the minute of details in all your ideas and from there work your way up into creating a full blown concept for a character or a situation. Once that is down, the storyline becomes that much easier to weave albeit it, keeping it interesting would be the toughest task. Nothing has to be deep convoluted complicated ideas that would lose the reader before they even reach it, but a balance of simplistic yet aesthetic, with contemplative and real ideas would do the trick. Of all things, the supercannon must be human.


No need to be minute. We need realism and cohesion, however. If Shepard breaksdown in one scene he cannot be stiff backed and eagle eyed as though it never happened in the next and breakdown again subsquently. That would be an extreme emotional yo-yo that no one is interested in.

If Ashley served at BFE colony in the Verge she should not be an intelligence officer at Alliance HQ. Things like that. Consistency. The planning period of PP does not dictate or create storyline to explore in the SuperCannon. It only establishes the facts and a template for contributors to follow in basic characterization in their writing.


From there, you can pick and choose what you want to write about. You want to write about Ash's officer training? Go ahead. You want to write about her becoming platoon guide in bootcamp? Go for it. You want to write about Post SR1 Ash? The details on that time will be at PP for you to use. You want to fill in a glaring ME3 blank, say Ash commenting on the genophage cure, on the return of the Rachni with reference to Shepard's ME1 decision? We got you covered. You want Ash to talk to Shepard about her beliefs and ask him about his - because, y'know, the end of the world is nigh? Don't tiptoe around religion. Press on. PP has a consensus on that. You want Ash to know how Shepard copes so well with the stress of war, and well, hmm, he's been through Elysium and Torfan, you want to explore that? Get on it. You can find out just what it was like at PP. Would Hannah Shepard approve of Ash? Wait, what is Hannah Shepard like? Check PP. What was it like for Shepard growing up with a Spacer background in comparison to Ash? You know where to find details. Maybe you just want to write Ash's dossier. But, wait! What did she do from here to here exactly? What where her duties? What was her rank? That information will be available.

That's the purpose of PP. Once there is enough content, we will put it all together.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 22 juin 2012 - 05:59 .