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[BadExamp1e]

*Pops head into Kaidan thread*

Ah, jealousy at its finest. Isn't it funny how people immediately bash Ashley instead of bashing Bioware? It is after all, their fault that they forgot him.

[BP93]

I tend to avoid the Kaidan thread for the same reason I avoid the Cortrz thread. Awkward doesnt even begin to describe those two. I know this thread can get weird but we're a bunch of nuns in here compared to those threads.. lol

Don't know understand why they're upset, Sbarge pretty much confirmed he was in it on twitter. Its a picture... O_o

[syllogi]

BadExamp1e wrote...

*Pops head into Kaidan thread*

Ah, jealousy at its finest. Isn't it funny how people immediately bash Ashley instead of bashing Bioware? It is after all, their fault that they forgot him.

And...one person said one nasty thing about Ashley, the rest of the remarks were about how we never see Kaidan in marketing.

I love Ashley, and I'm glad to see her as a squadmate in ME3, but I'm always going to miss Kaidan when she's in marketing and he isn't.  I understand why we (obviously) can't have both, and I know why Bioware is almost always going to go with Male Shep and Ashley as "defaults", but it's natural for Kaidan fans to wish he was included.

Honestly, if it were the other way around, would you want Ashley fans to be labeled as jealous and haters, just for wanting to see her with the rest of the team?

[BadExamp1e]

Yeah, I hear you, BP. At least we don't talk about... never mind.

I saw more than one hateful comment in there. I don't know why they're upset because when it comes to who got the better and bigger content... Kaidan clearly did. BW know what to do with him, can't say the same about Ash now.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 22 juin 2012 - 07:33 .

[lil yonce]

Let's put an end to this potential flame war right now. I posted this in the Kaidan thread and I'll post it here. This motto has served me well:

Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

But, yeah, I also saw more than one spiteful comment. We don't do that here. We don't trash Kaidan as a character. Most of us would love to have them both on our squad.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 22 juin 2012 - 07:44 .

[BadExamp1e]

Aw. No flame war?

*Pouts and goes back under bridge*

I have always said I would LOVE to have both in ME3.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 22 juin 2012 - 07:42 .

[syllogi]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I don't know why they're upset because when it comes to who got the better and bigger content... Kaidan clearly did. BW know what to do with him, can't say the same about Ash now.

Honestly, I'm coming at it as someone who's pretty disappointed in the game in general, so I try not to say anything at all, usually, about ME3.  I do wish we could have had more of the ME1 writers involved, especially Chris L'Etoile (who wrote Ashley), but he's presumably working on Elder Scrolls Online with Zenimax Online now.  I don't want to be negative about the new writers, but it seems like certain people got a bigger priority than others, and I hate to say it, but I think that Kaidan's status as one of the only choices for both Straight FemShep and Gay MaleShep got him more content.  So, while I'm happy for Kaidan fans who are happy with the romance, I am still bitter about a lot of other things in the game, especially the non-existent friendship dialogue between FemShep and Ashley.  

Youth4Ever wrote...

Let's put an end to this potential flame war right now. I posted this in the Kaidan thread and I'll post it here. This motto has served me well: 

Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

But, yeah, I also saw more than one spiteful comment also. We don't do that here. We don't trash Kaidan as a character. Most of us would love to have them both on our squad.

 

Eh...I wouldn't speak for anyone in either thread, the moment you say something like that, ("we don't do that here") someone comes along to prove you wrong and make everyone look bad, sadly.  

The way I look at it is, I don't love every Mass Effect character.  I won't bash them, even in threads that aren't their own support threads, but I won't pretend to love them.  So I'm not going to begrudge others their own opinions.  I just ask people to try to have empathy and understand that it's really unappealing to go into another character's support thread and see your favorite character being bashed.  There are some character threads I'd like to participate in, but I feel unwelcome because it seems like my favorites are universally hated there.  I'm really glad that the Ashley and Kaidan threads generally don't do that.

[lil yonce]

@BadExample; Not today. Have to pour cold water on this right now. Hopefully not ever with the Kaidan fanbase. The VS characters should stand united.

I don't like how one of our frequent posters comment was taken out of context and slyly posted in the Kaidan thread to fuel anti-Ash sentiment, however. That was certainly uncalled for.

[lil yonce]

syllogi wrote...

Eh...I wouldn't speak for anyone in either thread, the moment you say something like that, ("we don't do that here") someone comes along to prove you wrong and make everyone look bad, sadly.  

The way I look at it is, I don't love every Mass Effect character.  I won't bash them, even in threads that aren't their own support threads, but I won't pretend to love them.  So I'm not going to begrudge others their own opinions.  I just ask people to try to have empathy and understand that it's really unappealing to go into another character's support thread and see your favorite character being bashed.  There are some character threads I'd like to participate in, but I feel unwelcome because it seems like my favorites are universally hated there.  I'm really glad that the Ashley and Kaidan threads generally don't do that.

That may be true of other fanbases and we have had difficulty policing Liara hate in this thread in the past, like everyone else I'm sure, but we don't bash Kaidan. I can't remember that happening here. Ash and Kaidan share a wavelength as the VS. We don't trash him.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 22 juin 2012 - 07:55 .

[krukow]

I know somebody posted mine, so I just apologized for it. I like Kaidan enough and would def save him over another specific squad mate.

Besides, if on Virmire I had to chose between Ash and the rest of the squad, well, I'd have to hire another turian BFF...

[BadExamp1e]

Youth, I was joking about the flame war you know lol. I didn't even post in the Kaidan thread. I just flicked through it and saw the ladies (and guys) there, hating on Ash... Something about her having boobs, being a cow, and being a trollithan...? Lovely.

Anyway, I wonder what's in store for Ash in the EC. Can't wait to get her epilogue. Hey, if Liara fans get blue babies, then I want Shepley babies to raise on Earth lol

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 22 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[lil yonce]

krukow wrote...

Besides, if on Virmire I had to chose between Ash and the rest of the squad, well, I'd have to hire another turian BFF...

Be careful. The Garrus fanbase will be after you next.

[BP93]

Kaidan hate is virtually non-existent. Anyone who reads this thread on a consistent basis would know that to be true. As for the Liara hate though, well... nobody said we were all saints either. =P

I'm currently on the monastery mission on my current playthrough, so I have time. Might just forgo all the scanning, etc.. though. I got me multiplayer assets.

[krukow]

In regards to the ec, I'm pretty hopeful from the podcast/interview. They said it would show the results of your actions. That the group would still be together. So, again, in the ending I got:
Ashley is alive.
Shepard is alive.

LA(living Ashley) + LS(living Shepard) + RS(reunion scene) = I like the EC and will buy all the downloads!

Seriously, showing the characters alive and then not reuniting them would just be cruel...

[lil yonce]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Youth, I was joking about the flame war you know lol. I didn't even post in the Kaidan thread. I just flicked through it and saw the ladies (and guys) there, hating on Ash... Something about her having boobs, being a cow, and being a trollithan...? Lovely.

Anyway, I wonder what's in store for Ash in the EC. Can't wait to get her epilogue. Hey, if Liara fans get blue babies, then I want Shepley babies to raise on Earth lol

Yeah, I know you were only joking. But hopefully, our fanbases will never come to blows ALL CAPS.

I think there will be Destroy ending reunion beyond that I can only... speculate. The beings of light theory on the Catalyst is really interesting though.


- Beings of Light.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 22 juin 2012 - 08:12 .

[PMC65]

syllogi - As a fan of Liara, Ashley and Kaidan it's tough being in any fan thread and not seeing any of these three being bashed. Liara = Stalker / Ashley = Racist / Kaidan = Boring

I now leave these threads (even Ash/Kaidan/Liara threads) when it starts. Character bashing only makes the poster look ugly. Now if people talk about how the character relates to the other character in their headcanon I'm all ears ... just hating on their personal perception of the character? Time is to short to waste on that kind of dialogue.

Just my 2 cents though.

[BP93]

You must admit though, Bioware totally missed out on a potentially epic troll moment. They should've included star kid on the promo picture.

Modifié par BP93, 22 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[krukow]

BP93 wrote...

You must admit though, Bioware totally missed out on a potentially epic troll moment. They should've included star kid on the promo picture.

I would actually be okay with it just because of how awesome the fan reaction would be...

[BadExamp1e]

Not Liara hate. Although, I admit, I'm completely jealous and annoyed at her treatment over the other characters throughout the trilogy. She always gets something special or extra that puts her above all the other characters. And that isn't going to get changed now. Therefore I don't find that quite fair. It isn't fair. Considering that the VS didn't get a DLC or even a comic, and Liara certainly wasn't the one who got sidelined for half the game.

I need to round up a Xbox live MP team soon. Who's in?

[BadExamp1e]

BP93 wrote...

You must admit though, Bioware totally missed out on a potentially epic troll moment. They should've included star kid on the promo picture.

I hope he gets mentioned in the EC lol!

[survivor_686]

BadExamp1e wrote...

BP93 wrote...

You must admit though, Bioware totally missed out on a potentially epic troll moment. They should've included star kid on the promo picture.

I hope he gets mentioned in the EC lol!

Shepard: Wait a second, you're just trolling me aren't you?

Starchid: Yes. My role in the citadel is to troll everyone. Why else did you think the most advanced elevators in the galaxy were so slow?

[BadExamp1e]

I hope Shepley adopt the starkid as one of their own.

*Credits roll*

Buy more DLC. Trolololo - BW.

[PMC65]

BadExamp1e - Liara and Garrus equally were given some amazing content although Garrus actually had a better romance in ME3 as many people who romanced both will tell you ... she just got a better night before scene ... But no, it has gotten really bad in here.

Comparing characters has never made sense to me as they all have different stories to tell ... Liara was just as limited in ME2 as the VS but in one mission ... one ... she stole that game or at least people talk as if ME2 was all about her. It's quality not quantity that matters.

Liara's fans have complaints, Ash's fans have complaints, Kaidan's fans have complaints and all are pretty valid until they start comparing the different stories and bashing the other character because "its not fair!"

I wish that Ashley had more time with Shepard, more dialogue as a friend and lover ... I also wished that she had been opened up to FShep ... I also wished that she had a DLC of her own and not mish mashed with Kaidan ... they are not the one and the same character dang it!

But none of these complaints have anything to do with Liara or Tali or Garrus or .... etc. etc.

[Major Alenko]

Just sharing some loveeee We can live in peace, I think we should start a 'retake of ME1' and demand the Virmire ending where you saved them both...
(Obviously that impossible as the entire trilogy would be different and probably more awesome)
It was going to happen originally, there is audio of it.

[krukow]

Commodore Q wrote...

Just sharing some loveeee We can live in peace, I think we should start a 'retake of ME1' and demand the Virmire ending where you saved them both...
(Obviously that impossible as the entire trilogy would be different and probably more awesome)
It was going to happen originally, there is audio of it.

Shepard: Liara, guard the bomb.


And problem solved.



I'm assuming her plot armor would keep her alive.

Modifié par krukow, 22 juin 2012 - 08:26 .