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[BadExamp1e]

@PMC; Tbh, Garrus might have had a lot of content in ME3 considering what he had to say in ME2 AND ME1. It's still got nothing on Liara.

In ME1, Liara was thrust into the most important role, got the best love scene there too. Liara has her own DLC which turned out to be better than the actual ME2 romances. Two comics (VS has none), and an amazing backstory (while we don't have a clue what Ash was doing. There's no explanation, or no option to ask). Bioware is constantly pushing Liara into the most important role. She's required for more missions, is always showing up, or getting pushed in. There are other characters on the ship, but it doesn't seem that way in most cutscenes. Again, it's not Liara hate. It's hate at Bioware for putting her above all the others. Nobody else can compete. Having her offer you that gift, and show up in your final flashback... yeah? Not cool. That's all I'm saying. Everyone deserves their romance to be as good and lengthy as Liara's and get the same amount of care into writing it, but we didn't. BW's fault. Not Liara's.

Liara has the best story to tell because she actually has one.

Ash is just there.

[Doodle]

BadExamp1e wrote...
and being a trollithan...?

just like to point out that i said that... and wasn't aiming it at Ashley (was saying it about Javik)

sorry if i confused you

[Dannycni]

I really like all the characters. Kaidan and Ash were two of my favourites and like almost all other regular posters on here I wish they could both have been saved. So it's a bit disappointing to hear the feelings aren't mutual on the Kaidan thread, from some.
Liara annoys me cause as Example pointed out she gets sooooo much more than everyone else and it just feels unfair. I don't dislike her at all, I dislike BW's treatment of her and their favourtism towards her, but I think she was a good character.

Top Ash pic, an Ash and Kaidan fan made pic:

Modifié par Dannycni, 22 juin 2012 - 08:59 .

[BadExamp1e]

Commodore Q wrote...

Just sharing some loveeee We can live in peace, I think we should start a 'retake of ME1' and demand the Virmire ending where you saved them both...
(Obviously that impossible as the entire trilogy would be different and probably more awesome)
It was going to happen originally, there is audio of it.

Would have made the game a lot better IMO.

Ashley would have shown up on Horizon just the same, got emotional and lash out. And Kaidan would have got his own mission that would have suited him better. I don't know about you, but Kaidan on Horizon felt really out of place for me.

Hell, it would have been nice to even send an e-mail back to the VS in ME2. But apparently we weren't allowed to rekindle our romance until two years later...

[BadExamp1e]

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...
and being a trollithan...?

just like to point out that i said that... and wasn't aiming it at Ashley (was saying it about Javik)

sorry if i confused you

No worries. Thanks 4 clearing that up.

[Allstar27]

 Arban M posted this Pic about EC in a Supporting Ash group and I thought i would post it here:

Modifié par Allstar27, 22 juin 2012 - 09:35 .

[PMC65]

BadExamp1e - But Liara's content is not what is wrong with Ashley's content ... That is what my point is. So why Liara is constantly bashed on this thread (and she is) makes no sense and keeps people who love both characters away.

If you do not like Liara and resent her face time okay ... go on the bajillion hate threads of her and voice it there. Why have that on the Ashley thread where it should be about Ashley?

I say this to the Liara fans when they get on Ash ... Go find one of the bajillion hate threads on Ash and spew that vomit there.

The Kaidan thread got really bad months ago on Liara ... really bad and I have rarely went back there since. And I loved that thread with its fun group. I don't want to do that with the Ash thread.

[Dannycni]

Is that pic showing them all looking at the Wall of Remembrance cause Shepard's name is on it? If so, maybe they are gonna give a reunion cause if you got the breath scene then Shepard is alive so will he back with the crew won't he???? I have so many questions! I'll just need to wait and see

PMC, it seems reasonable, to me at least, if you are discussing another character in relation to Ashley (in the instance of this thread). People don't just bash a character if they ever say anything negative about one it is in connection with that character and Ashley so it is still about Ashley. Saying it is annoying how BW see Liara as more important than Ashley, for instance, is still talking about Ashley so it is still on topic. But if someone posted a long rant about they hate Liara then yea that would be off topic, silly and not welcome.

Modifié par Dannycni, 22 juin 2012 - 09:19 .

[Allstar27]

@Danny: Looks like it, also EDI is alive in that photo so it could suggest that you get this scene if you chose Control or Synthesis so maybe a reunion scene for those Sheps that are alive

Also i think the blame for lack of Ash content should be at Bioware not Liara. I'm probally the only one but I actually like every single one of the Squaddies in the series (Ash the most) includding Liara

Modifié par Allstar27, 22 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[Dannycni]

Allstar27 wrote...

@Danny: Looks like it, also EDI is alive in that photo so it could suggest that you get this scene if you chose Control or Synthesis so maybe a reunion scene for those Sheps that are alive

Hmmm maybe.

Allstar27 wrote...

Also i think the blame for lack of Ash content should be at Bioware not Liara. I'm probally the only one but I actually like every single one of the Squaddies in the series (Ash the most) includding Liara

I completely agree with both sentances

[BadExamp1e]

@PMC; In a way, it is. Why can't they give Ashley the same kind of treatment? No seriously why?

I'm not bashing Liara. No I resent Bioware for giving her that face time, and not giving the others the same equal treatment. Bioware's favouritism for Liara is hugely undeniable especially in genesis and in the game itself. She has all the important (constantly changing) plot roles throughout the WHOLE trilogy which make her the most important character to the story, when she didn't have to be. Somebody else could have got that face-time instead.

All Ash's story consists of is, “I didn't die! Love in ME1. Doubts, doubts, doubts, DRUNK. I pointed a gun at you.”

No honestly. No care was put in. They didn't even try in comparison. We know nothing about ANYTHING except that her brother-in-law died.

“Hey Ash, what did you do these passed few years while Liara fought for information to search for my body, then brought it to Cerberus so I could be revived, became a successful information broker on her own. Lost her friend to the SB's troops. Oh yeah, and then Liara eventually BECAME the shadow broker herself. How cool is that, right? What'd you do?”

Ashley's answer: ….. *crickets*

Bioware's favouritism for Liara over other characters, I have a problem with it. That is all.

[BadExamp1e]

Allstar27 wrote...

 Arban M posted this Pic about EC in a Supporting Ash group and I thought i would post it here:

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Looks like a remembrance scene. Perhaps Shepard is dead in that one, and his crew are paying their respects together. Makes me wonder if they had something like that when the first Normandy went down.

[PMC65]

Dannycni - No this thread bashes Liara.

Calling her a b1tch and so on is not related to Ash and is bashing ... If this thread also wants to start saying that Ashley content was stripped because of Liara (although they did not share writers) as part of their justifiction to drone on about her in a negative light instead of focusing on the character Ashley then my time here is done.

No hard feelings but I've heard enough negativety about both Liara and Ashley these past few years that I've made a decision to just avoid areas that bash either. Life is too short.

Here's hoping that the EC rocks and wishing the Ash fans a good day.

*extra wave to ADLegend, Badpie, Sarge & Cptdata*

[Dannycni]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Looks like a remembrance scene. Perhaps Shepard is dead in that one, and his crew are paying their respects together. Makes me wonder if they had something like that when the first Normandy went down.

But then there's bound to be an alive Shepard scene, some kind of reunion right? Right? RIGHT?!?! Please!!!!

PMC, well maybe you've read some stuff I haven't seen, cause I haven't read every page, but I hadn't seen anyone call her a b**ch. I have heard complaints etc but as I said it was usually in regards to Ashley rather than just a straight up, anti-Liara rant

Modifié par Dannycni, 22 juin 2012 - 09:40 .

[CptData]

Allstar27 wrote...

 Arban M posted this Pic about EC in a Supporting Ash group and I thought i would post it here:

Short analysis: scene happens on board of the Normandy SR2, in front of the memory board.

Possible situations:

- the Normandy SR2 crashed on that jungle planet and the surviving members of the crew hold a ceremony to remember Shepard's sacrifice, regardless if Shepard survived or not.
Since Vega and Liara can't die, one of them will say some lines plus Shepard's LI, in case s/he survived the game.

- the Normandy SR2 did not crash on said planet, but Shepard died. The crew is holding a ceremonly to remember his/her sacrifice.
Same here: Liara and Vega may say some lines as "guaranteed-to-be-here squadmates" plus LI.

- the Normandy SR2 did not crash and Shepard survived, however, the crew does not (yet) know s/he's still alive. In a subsequent scene Shepard is shown in a hospital on Earth.

Something like this is going to happen.

[BadExamp1e]

@PMC; This thread didn't bash Liara. Comparing content isn't bashing, stating the truth isn't bashing. One poster got annoyed at Liara's constant, unavoidable presence in *HER* story and called Liara a “b1tch” a few days ago, but it certainly wasn't me. I admit, it was a tad harsh. But it still wasn't the whole thread.

From what I gathered, Bioware were on a rushed schedule and they clearly decided that Liara was the one worth perfecting, and not Ashley. That's my judgement. The same thing happened in ME2. Liara was worth the DLC, and the VS wasn't. Liara is worth two comics, and the VS isn't worth any.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 22 juin 2012 - 09:47 .

[BadExamp1e]

Damn. It would be awesome to see your love interest react to Shepard's death! >;D

[CptData]

MBE: My money is on a farewell-speech from Shepard's LI.

Also such scene is much better than Joker + LI + most used squadmate in the current endings. You can see who's alive and who died - something that gives some closure. Also there's a chance the Normandy-crash might get removed and replaced by something else. The endings themselves won't get changed, so it's still "Control", "Synthesis", "Destruction".

I hope there's a scene where Shepard returns to his/her crew.

[BadExamp1e]

The endings are not changing, Joker and the crew are on that damn green planet. Hackett plays a part. My guess is that they get recused fairly quick, well quick enough so that Tali and Garrus don't perish from starvation.

This is the end of Shepard's story, but the characters live on. I have a feeling it will be more centered around the crew (and your end choice) instead of Shepard, considering he can be dead in two of the possible endings. If you pick destory, it should show Shepard alive, with his crew and Ashley. I hope so. Also can't wait to read Ash's epilogue and see what the future has in store for her. I wonder if Shepard will get one? And I wonder if it will change depending on who your love interest is. Hmm. Speculations.

[CptData]

^ well, if we know they get rescued, the entire "fate of Normandy" doesn't hurt anymore and is pretty much useless.
However, the memorial hall looks quite undamaged, so that's why I believe the Normandy didn't crash.

It's going to be focused on the crew for sure, even if Shepard survived. Maybe there is no "reunion" - but it's possible Shepard finds them later if alive.

[Allstar27]

I'm hoping that all of the ME3 squad + Joker have like a mini speech about Shepard and his/her decisions at the memorial (if your Shep died) while including a lengthy one from your LI.

[BadExamp1e]

When the Normandy itself crashed into a jungle it looked undamaged lol

In that scene, there really is no excuse for Shepard not being there beside his crew unless he's dead. My guess is that someone (hopefully the love interest) put his name up on the memorial wall.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 22 juin 2012 - 10:20 .

[krukow]

I'm actually at the point that if there isn't a reunion scene possible (my Shep and Ash are alive dagnabit!), that I would uninstall the EC. I can headcannon this stuff.

Though really? Why wouldn't they allow for the reunion scene if the original crappy ending left both my characters alive?

whyyyyyy???

[Dannycni]

Yea krukow seems to me that if they give the possibility of Shepard living, albeit he has to choose destroy and have a high enough EMS, then they have to incorporate that into the EC and have either a scene of him getting found in the rubble, recovering in hospital or being reuinted with his squad. Maybe that's just my severe optimism cause I'm such a Shepard lover but we'll see.

[BadExamp1e]

Personally, I would prefer a scene on Earth with Shepard and Ashley, not in a hospital. At this point, I'll take whatever I can get however.

So... Who's going to be the one to dig Shepard out of the rumble back on Earth? Perhaps that's why he ain't there with the crew. He got crushed under rock, or a stray dog snacked on his body.