I'm pretty optimistic about the Extended Cut honestly
Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!
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#36052
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 04:10
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We'll see. I'll wait for the reactions in here. Find out if Edwin Shepard has a chance to be with Ash again.
If so, I'll download. If not, I'll probably not bother, unless everyone agrees that it's the greatest thing in the world. Don't see how it can possibly fix how horrible the whole Star Brat thing is. Even if they have a reunion, I might still keep my headphones off through Star Brat, so I can get to the reunion with as little pain as possible.
Star Brat makes me feel all nostalgic for Fallout 1 and 2, when your character could pick up the "childkiller" reputation.
If so, I'll download. If not, I'll probably not bother, unless everyone agrees that it's the greatest thing in the world. Don't see how it can possibly fix how horrible the whole Star Brat thing is. Even if they have a reunion, I might still keep my headphones off through Star Brat, so I can get to the reunion with as little pain as possible.
Star Brat makes me feel all nostalgic for Fallout 1 and 2, when your character could pick up the "childkiller" reputation.
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#36053
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 04:13
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PhoenixIsra wrote...
Youth4Ever wrote...
The rift a stupid advertisement can create is amazing. Guys, stay out of the Kaidan thread...
Sigh. I really hate is when VS fans can't get along because I love both Ash and Kaidan. I can see why they featured Ashley though, she's usually the VS shown, it's been that way since ME1. It would have been nice if they had featured Kaidan too though to keep everyone happy...
They are hating because they know Ashley is better. Also I wonder if Ash considers Tali a younger sister how can she possibly be a xenophobe?
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#36054
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 04:39
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She's not, but anyone who still thinks that is beyond being convinced otherwise.
Just ignore them. Hopefully the Kaidan thread will deal with it, or has already. If not, then we're obviously not welcome there. Sad, but oh well.
EDIT: Actually... you know, I do think that ME1 Ash has maybe a touch of xenophobia. It's not the full blown racism that everyone attributes to her, though. And it's understandable, given that she simply doesn't trust anyone she doesn't know. So it would make sense for her to not completely trust alien races that she hasn't had much experience with.
The thing is, real people have flaws, and that would be one of Ash's. She actually shows growth and character development even in the course of ME1, though.
Just ignore them. Hopefully the Kaidan thread will deal with it, or has already. If not, then we're obviously not welcome there. Sad, but oh well.
EDIT: Actually... you know, I do think that ME1 Ash has maybe a touch of xenophobia. It's not the full blown racism that everyone attributes to her, though. And it's understandable, given that she simply doesn't trust anyone she doesn't know. So it would make sense for her to not completely trust alien races that she hasn't had much experience with.
The thing is, real people have flaws, and that would be one of Ash's. She actually shows growth and character development even in the course of ME1, though.
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#36055
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 04:50
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I know. Ashley and Shepard share some of the same best friends, she isn't a racist. Its like the American government not sharing top secret information with the German government, they aren't racist it's just top secret information so I see where Ash was coming from in ME1
#36056
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:03
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Another conversation. Time for some variety and a 'what if...' scenario.
Ashley: **looks up from her omnitool to see Councilor Tevos** Oh! Councilor! *she starts to stand up*
Tevos: You needn't stand on my accord, Lieutenant Commander. I only wished to speak with you individually concerning your nomination.
Ashley: I see...
Tevos: I wanted to inform you that while Udina's personal nomination was what finally brought you into the list of candidates, I felt it neccesary to inform you that your candidacy was being considered long before now.
Ashley: If you don't mind my asking, Councilor, how?
Tevos: Believe it not, Commander Shepard put your name in not long before her disappearence after the Sovereign incident.
Ashley: Shepard did?
Tevos: Yes. During her reports during the hunt for Saren, she would, at times, make note of your ability to follow, command, and make difficult choices.
Ashley: ...
Tevos: Don't misunderstand me, Lieutenant Commander. That's not the only reason.
Ashley: What else could it be?
Tevos: *looks around to see if anyone in particular is within earshot, then speaks in a lower voice* It's because of your grandfather.
Ashley: *stunned*
Tevos: While we were not privvy to all the details, many of us were surprised when we heard the news of your grandfather's dismissal and the subsequent treatment his son and you recieved by the Alliance. It was all political, to be sure. However, many of us saw what your father did as a mercy to his men. Though the leadership in the Alliance would not see it that way.
Ashley: ...
Tevos: Since then, we've been watching the children of General Williams flounder due to the politics that we understand all too well. While not many see humanity as noble, there are a few members of the Galactic Council Leadership who feel it would be a good will gesture, for all humanity has done for the Galactic Community, to enlist someone in the line of General Williams.
Ashley: *suspicious* But that carries a risk, though. Would they have maintained that sentiment if my dad or I were members of Terra Firma?
Tevos: *shakes her head* While they would have understood if your family had a hatred for non-human species due to the First Contact War, they would not have given you the consideration to a Spectre if you did. You see, Ashley Williams, you've been quoted by Commander Shepard as 'Needing to be Better than the Best' as you put it. The Council Leadership, in spite of the dismissal of the Reapers beforehand, pays attention to these things. Those are the qualities we look for.
Ashley: *pauses for a moment, then nods* Thank you, Councilor.
Tevos: *nods back, then stands up* You are welcome, Lieutenant Commander. *begins to leave, but turns back* For what it's worth; I firmly believe, on the Guiding Light of the Goddess, Herself, that your grandfather and father would be proud of you, were they alive to see this. Do your name proud, Lieutenant Commander Ashley Williams.
Ashley: *nods* I will, Councilor.
Ashley: **looks up from her omnitool to see Councilor Tevos** Oh! Councilor! *she starts to stand up*
Tevos: You needn't stand on my accord, Lieutenant Commander. I only wished to speak with you individually concerning your nomination.
Ashley: I see...
Tevos: I wanted to inform you that while Udina's personal nomination was what finally brought you into the list of candidates, I felt it neccesary to inform you that your candidacy was being considered long before now.
Ashley: If you don't mind my asking, Councilor, how?
Tevos: Believe it not, Commander Shepard put your name in not long before her disappearence after the Sovereign incident.
Ashley: Shepard did?
Tevos: Yes. During her reports during the hunt for Saren, she would, at times, make note of your ability to follow, command, and make difficult choices.
Ashley: ...
Tevos: Don't misunderstand me, Lieutenant Commander. That's not the only reason.
Ashley: What else could it be?
Tevos: *looks around to see if anyone in particular is within earshot, then speaks in a lower voice* It's because of your grandfather.
Ashley: *stunned*
Tevos: While we were not privvy to all the details, many of us were surprised when we heard the news of your grandfather's dismissal and the subsequent treatment his son and you recieved by the Alliance. It was all political, to be sure. However, many of us saw what your father did as a mercy to his men. Though the leadership in the Alliance would not see it that way.
Ashley: ...
Tevos: Since then, we've been watching the children of General Williams flounder due to the politics that we understand all too well. While not many see humanity as noble, there are a few members of the Galactic Council Leadership who feel it would be a good will gesture, for all humanity has done for the Galactic Community, to enlist someone in the line of General Williams.
Ashley: *suspicious* But that carries a risk, though. Would they have maintained that sentiment if my dad or I were members of Terra Firma?
Tevos: *shakes her head* While they would have understood if your family had a hatred for non-human species due to the First Contact War, they would not have given you the consideration to a Spectre if you did. You see, Ashley Williams, you've been quoted by Commander Shepard as 'Needing to be Better than the Best' as you put it. The Council Leadership, in spite of the dismissal of the Reapers beforehand, pays attention to these things. Those are the qualities we look for.
Ashley: *pauses for a moment, then nods* Thank you, Councilor.
Tevos: *nods back, then stands up* You are welcome, Lieutenant Commander. *begins to leave, but turns back* For what it's worth; I firmly believe, on the Guiding Light of the Goddess, Herself, that your grandfather and father would be proud of you, were they alive to see this. Do your name proud, Lieutenant Commander Ashley Williams.
Ashley: *nods* I will, Councilor.
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#36057
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:18
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Ashley does have a bit of xenophobia (though it is for a reason) in the begining of ME1, but I'm actually okay with this for two reasons:
1. We're only a couple decades away from almost being wiped out by an alien race. Sorry, but if you can't understand why some people wouldn't trust aliens at this point, when real human beings so often don't trust each other cuz our skin color or religion is different, you're just being unrealistic.
2. She has an ARC. This is why Ash is so much more awesome than the other LI's throughout the game. Liara is basically the same at the begining and end of each game(with all change in her character coming offscreen between games). Same for Tali. But the Ash at the end of ME1 is not the same as the Ash at the begining of ME1. She's changed, she's grown. The xenophobia (whatever was there) is gone and she's grown to trust and see aliens as her comrades (notice how she's suprised that garrus is cerberus in the horizon scene if you bring him). She's a fully realized character, not a characture. I think this is brough home especially when she sides agaisnt the pro-human protest group on the citadel.
So yeah, Ash is awesome because whatever content we didn't get, at least we got character development.
Also, Ash is just awesome.
1. We're only a couple decades away from almost being wiped out by an alien race. Sorry, but if you can't understand why some people wouldn't trust aliens at this point, when real human beings so often don't trust each other cuz our skin color or religion is different, you're just being unrealistic.
2. She has an ARC. This is why Ash is so much more awesome than the other LI's throughout the game. Liara is basically the same at the begining and end of each game(with all change in her character coming offscreen between games). Same for Tali. But the Ash at the end of ME1 is not the same as the Ash at the begining of ME1. She's changed, she's grown. The xenophobia (whatever was there) is gone and she's grown to trust and see aliens as her comrades (notice how she's suprised that garrus is cerberus in the horizon scene if you bring him). She's a fully realized character, not a characture. I think this is brough home especially when she sides agaisnt the pro-human protest group on the citadel.
So yeah, Ash is awesome because whatever content we didn't get, at least we got character development.
Also, Ash is just awesome.
Modifié par krukow, 23 juin 2012 - 05:25 .
#36058
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:29
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kru, can we please not character bash? It demeans us as fans and, frankly, it's beneath us.
#36059
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:36
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...so I can't point out that certain characters are static? It's "bashing" to talk about the way characters are written?
I like Tali and Liara, but they're static characters. They're the same at the begining of each game as they are at the end. Ash isn't. If I'm wrong, point it out, but otherwise I'm simply stating the truth of each narrative. Stop being so touchy.
I like Tali and Liara, but they're static characters. They're the same at the begining of each game as they are at the end. Ash isn't. If I'm wrong, point it out, but otherwise I'm simply stating the truth of each narrative. Stop being so touchy.
#36060
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:40
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It's bashing when you're making an assumption without all the facts.
Compare Liara from ME 1 and Lair of the Shadow Broker. That's anything but static.
Tali; she's on her pilgrimage on ME1. ME2, she's head of her own squad and is growing up. ME3, if you play your cards right, she's an admiral and all the responsibilities placed upon her.
Just like Ash; these's characters are not static. if they were static, nothing would have changed about them. They've become more than what they were in ME1.
Compare Liara from ME 1 and Lair of the Shadow Broker. That's anything but static.
Tali; she's on her pilgrimage on ME1. ME2, she's head of her own squad and is growing up. ME3, if you play your cards right, she's an admiral and all the responsibilities placed upon her.
Just like Ash; these's characters are not static. if they were static, nothing would have changed about them. They've become more than what they were in ME1.
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#36061
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:45
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IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
It's bashing when you're making an assumption without all the facts.
Compare Liara from ME 1 and Lair of the Shadow Broker. That's anything but static.
Tali; she's on her pilgrimage on ME1. ME2, she's head of her own squad and is growing up. ME3, if you play your cards right, she's an admiral and all the responsibilities placed upon her.
These's characters are not static.
But all these changes happen offscreen, between games (which I said in my original post). Yeah, overall Liara had a neat arc (though I think she took a bit of a step back in ME3 to the "oh godess!" school girl stuff after becoming the shadowbroker), but we never saw it on screen. She's just slightly different in all 3 games. They never grow in-game, they've grown since we last saw them.
Compare that to Ash who in ME1 goes from xenophobic, to siding against xenophobic groups and being a comrade in arms with members of other species. Or ME3, where she goes from not trusting Shepard to wishing she had joined him back on Horizon. These are in-game changes that we get to see, not things that happen between games.
Again, I like both Tali and Liara. The one time I couldn't make peace with the Geth and Quarians I shot Legion in the face (3 times!) because I was on Tali's side. I just think that in-game, a lot of the characters are very static, and Ash is very not.
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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:55
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So, because it doesn't happen in game, it doesn't count? That's pretty weak.
Don't get me wrong, I wish everything from the comics, books, and what not were in the game, but that's not always possible. Corners are cut a lot more than people realize for the sake of gameplay and even in games like Mass Effect, story considerations are the first casualty of production.
Don't get me wrong, I wish everything from the comics, books, and what not were in the game, but that's not always possible. Corners are cut a lot more than people realize for the sake of gameplay and even in games like Mass Effect, story considerations are the first casualty of production.
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#36063
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 06:00
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Yes, in game content counts. We get to watch Ash grow as a person. We don't get to watch that with a lot of other characters.
Hence, Ash is better.
Hence, Ash is better.
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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 06:04
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That's a very narrow view to have. But, whatever.
#36066
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 07:43
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Rudy Lis wrote...
Ash is xenophobic?
technically... she has some slight xenophobic natures in ME1 and ME2, but overcomes it. Technically the same arguement could be made for Tali in her case against the Geth.
When it comes down to it all the squadmates have some sort of personality flaw.
Tali- Shy/ hateful towards synthetic life
Ashley- Mistrustful of Aliens
Garrus- Makes mistakes resulting in people killed or criminals getting away
Wrex-Grumpy/Mistrustful of salarians due to genophage
Liara- In ME1 it was shyness and innocence in her world. ME2 and ME3 its obssession and inability to control
Kaidan:...... he was kinda mopey and had a rough life...... I honestly don't know
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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 09:02
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I don't think Tali feelings toward Geth and Ash toward aliens in general are similar, actually. Like skateboard and car - both has four wheels and you can use both to move faster, but that's it.
#36068
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 10:09
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Tuesday? Can't wait ...
Please moar Ash
And nice dialogues everyone ... keep it going.
Please moar Ash
And nice dialogues everyone ... keep it going.
#36069
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 10:12
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CptData wrote...
Tuesday? Can't wait ...
Please moar Ash
And nice dialogues everyone ... keep it going.
When I first read it, I read it wrong and had a rage moment, then my girlfriend laughed at me because I read it wrong.
#36071
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 10:20
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SJNKD what exactly did you read wrong?
Rudy: I fear I'm losing sanity here but it's a good end. ^^
Rudy: I fear I'm losing sanity here but it's a good end. ^^
#36072
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 10:54
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CptData wrote...
SJNKD what exactly did you read wrong?
Rudy: I fear I'm losing sanity here but it's a good end. ^^
Release date, I read July forth and thought it was Australia's date, then my girlfriend said only for PS3 in Europe. I laughed at myself.
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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 11:25
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I also admit I read the date wrong too and after 5 minutes of sheer confusion I finally got it.......I think
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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 11:49
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iHorizons wrote...
PhoenixIsra wrote...
Youth4Ever wrote...
The rift a stupid advertisement can create is amazing. Guys, stay out of the Kaidan thread...
Sigh. I really hate is when VS fans can't get along because I love both Ash and Kaidan. I can see why they featured Ashley though, she's usually the VS shown, it's been that way since ME1. It would have been nice if they had featured Kaidan too though to keep everyone happy...
They are hating because they know Ashley is better. Also I wonder if Ash considers Tali a younger sister how can she possibly be a xenophobe?
Really? It seems all you do is moan about Ash's lack of content in ME3 and still say she's better?
Kaidan fans are just a little tired of him being left out, I think there's only one offical picture of him and that's with mShep and Liara. Even the CG trailer, he was left out even when they did a 'femshep' version.
#36075
Posté 23 juin 2012 - 11:51
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Both Ashley and Kaidan suffered content/storyline, that's my opinion however.
Also, I am a moron. I deleted the playthrough which I needed for mass effect 3, it had the highest reading rating. Bloody havEe to play more multiplayer. So pissed off about it.
Also, I am a moron. I deleted the playthrough which I needed for mass effect 3, it had the highest reading rating. Bloody havEe to play more multiplayer. So pissed off about it.
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