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[DWH1982]

sporeian wrote...

[Garrus- Makes mistakes resulting in people killed or criminals getting away

Actually, I think for Garrus it would go more like this:

Garrus - Is impulsive and impatient to the point of becoming a vigilanti in ME2.

Honestly, I like Garrus, but what he became in ME2 bothers me, and it bothers Edwin Shepard. I sometimes wonder how his life would have turned out if he never met Shepard, and the thing is - there's a very real chance that things wouldn't have been so great for him.

But, I guess you're right, every character has their flaws. It bothers me that sometimes people can only see the flaws in Ash, while ignoring or forgiving the flaws in the other characters.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

So EC's out Tuesday? Hm can't say I'm all that excited anymore, not even for the extra Ash content. I've gradually been losing interest but well all the more chance for it to suprise me I guess. Kaidan has always been ignored in advertising, I've never understood why. It seems like a bad move really, but until now it's only been in marketing and not in-game, maybe the  VS fans will grow closer again once the DLC is out.

Also don't forget Project Phoenix or Project-filling-the-gaps-in-Ashley's-content-plus-fleshing-it-out-more (Not quite as catchy a name?) still needs help. 

How do the Ash fans here think Ashley's promotions should be explained?
What should Shepard's background look like?
How should Ashley's spiritual beliefs be displayed? What about Shepard?

I realise not everyone might be interested in adding, but we try to reach consensus with as many Ash fans as possible so the eventual resulting story will be agreeable with most fans. If you have something to add/are interested/Just like clicking yellow coloured things, I hyperlinked the questions to the appropriate topic in the Project-group.

[survivor_686]

SJNKD wrote...

Both Ashley and Kaidan suffered content/storyline, that's my opinion however.

Also, I am a moron. I deleted the playthrough which I needed for mass effect 3, it had the highest reading rating. Bloody havEe to play more multiplayer. So pissed off about it.

You think thats stupid? I deleted all my ME 1, 2 and 3 saves. Now am in the middle of my soldier runthrough (am using cheats so am boosted already to level 60) for ME1.

But hey more Ash

[DWH1982]

I'm slowly reaching the point where maybe - maybe - I could accept a destroy ending + Shepard survives, even without an Ash reunion. The outrage over the endings has faded somewhat into a combination of a sort of dull anger and disgust.

If I can get to the "breath" scene without multiplayer, I suppose I could continue taking off my headphones for Star Brat, and just put them back on once his dialouge is over.

I'll wait to see what the reaction is with the EC. My preference would still be for an on screen reunion with Ash.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[scotiej]

I really don't mind playing multiplayer, but at the same time I hate how I have to power through several hours worth just to get the readiness rating back up to 100%. That and it sucks how you have to carry most players who charge in and die because they think they're good.

[BadExamp1e]

survivor_686 wrote...

SJNKD wrote...

Both Ashley and Kaidan suffered content/storyline, that's my opinion however.

Also, I am a moron. I deleted the playthrough which I needed for mass effect 3, it had the highest reading rating. Bloody havEe to play more multiplayer. So pissed off about it.

You think thats stupid? I deleted all my ME 1, 2 and 3 saves. Now am in the middle of my soldier runthrough (am using cheats so am boosted already to level 60) for ME1.

But hey more Ash

Damn. You have to complete ME1, 2 and 3 again like me?

I currently have no saves ready for the EC. Started a ME3 game last night though. Hopefully I can finish it in time.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 23 juin 2012 - 02:51 .

[scotiej]

I kept my ME3 save, but I started a whole new play through from ME1.

[lil yonce]

PhoenixIsra wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

The rift a stupid advertisement can create is amazing. Guys, stay out of the Kaidan thread...

Sigh. I really hate is when VS fans can't get along because I love both Ash and Kaidan. I can see why they featured Ashley though, she's usually the VS shown, it's been that way since ME1. It would have been nice if they had featured Kaidan too though to keep everyone happy...

I know. And everyone as I said, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing."

Don't pop into this thread to say anything offensive about Kaidan, guys. And don't bash Liara. I remember right after ME3's release the +1, +2, +3 all the way to +8 bandwagoning of "I hate Liara".  Mr.Brainheart had to tell you guys to stop.

We've never done that to Kaidan. Don't retaliate now. Just 40 pages ago we had a civil discussion about who would be left behind on Virmire in an ME movie. Did anyone say to leave Kaidan because he's boring? No. We've had discussions about which is the more valuable squad member between the two and did we bash Kaidan? No, we did not.

Just a reminder to posters bickering on the last page.

And visit Project Phoenix when you get a chance! We have work to do. Link is in my signature.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 23 juin 2012 - 02:59 .

[BadExamp1e]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Ash is xenophobic?

I wouldn't say she is. She likes some alien culture, wants to live on the Citadel, and would like to bring her sisters to the wards and clubs.

The thing that bothers me is that Ashley apparently isn't allowed to grow past that like the other characters (Tali). People will always title Ash a racist....

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 23 juin 2012 - 03:01 .

[DWH1982]

Biowares writers brought the Liara stuff on themselves, by the way they handeled her character.

At least part of that, I suppose, is the fact that Liara is the only one who A) can't be dead and has been part of the squad since ME1.

But it's still favoritism, and, unfortunately, it's going to impact how people view the character.

I think the lesson to take from this is - if you're going to do a whole trilogy where decisions can carry over, try to limit the number of characters who can die before the final game as much as you can. If they had ensured that Tali and Garrus could be alive in every playthrough, for example, maybe they could have picked up some of the slack with cutscenes that always went to Liara.

And, yes, it would have been damn nice to have at least one or two of those cutscenes go to the VS, if they're on the ship, because at least one of them is always alive. I like Liara, I really do. I even kind of like the whole "unrequited love" thing you can sort of pick up from her. I think it works, and it has a place in my head canon. But there are just certain conversations that she should not have been responsible for. There are just certain times when Ash should have come to talk to Shepard, and she didn't.

I wouldn't give up the time capsule conversation with Liara for the entire world, because I think it hits just right - even with my idea about how she feels about Shepard. But it would have been nice to have Ash come up and talk to Shepard after Thessia.

Modifié par DWH1982, 23 juin 2012 - 03:05 .

[BadExamp1e]

It would have been nice if Ashley came up to Shepard's cabin, and admired the fish or talked about her postings since Shepard's death. Sadly, Ash doesn't come up to Shepard's cabin unless sex is about to go down.

How many times does Liara come up? Yeah.... Let's just say, I felt the need to put a lock on the door.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 23 juin 2012 - 03:09 .

[DWH1982]

If Garrus and Tali were alive in every playthrough, one or two of those Liara visits could have been handled by one of them.

However, I should note that even Tali gets a chance to visit Shepard's cabin for non-sexytime things, despite her lack of plot armor.

[BadExamp1e]

...And Garrus has the most talks, advice and opinions on everything. While Ash sits in her room, "Good to see you."

ME2 was terrible for us VS fans, the relationship fell apart. BW should have made it up to us in three. They made it up to the Liara fans with her amazing DLC in ME2 allowing them to rekindle the relationship in style. We got nothing.

These were the conversations I wanted.

Ash and Shepard should have had a heart-2-heart talk about Earth, the war and their people. It is their home planet for god’s sake, (not with Liara).

Talk about Kaidan and his death, (not with Liara).

Ashley should discuss her work and promotions in more detail and give us all a believable explanation for it.

Ash and Shepard should have discussed his death in the game (which they did! But it got cut -.-).

Ash should have comforted Shepard after losing to Cerberus on Thessia (she did, but it was so cheap and TOO short, and also Zaeed style dialogue). The main focus was on... Liara.

And most importantly, Ashley and Shepard should have discussed the coup back on the ship. Shepard should have gotten the option to thank her for believing him, and show signs that they were moving passed it, and working it out.

[Rudy Lis]

CptData wrote...

I fear I'm losing sanity here but it's a good end. ^^

*humming Queen "I'm going slightly mad"*
Don't do that, buddy. Losing sanity is not good.

BadExamp1e wrote...

People will always title Ash a racist....

If people can't read or listen (for those who play without subtitles) it's barely character problem.

[BadExamp1e]

Pretty much. They still blame it on Ash though. It's quite sad how many reporters and journalists title Ash a racist. You shouldn't title anybody that, unless you're 100% sure.

Would you say she is xenophobic, Rudy?

[BP93]

BadExamp1e wrote...

It would have been nice if Ashley came up to Shepard's cabin, and admired the fish or talked about her postings since Shepard's death. Sadly, Ash doesn't come up to Shepard's cabin unless sex is about to go down.

How many times does Liara come up? Yeah.... Let's just say, I felt the need to put a lock on the door.

Ash: "Hey Shepard....nice...fish?"

Shepard: 

-----------------

Liara: "Shepard, can I come in?"

Shepard: "No, go away!"

[BadExamp1e]

Ashley: Hey Shepard....nice...fish.

Shepard: Yeah, Ash. Bet you've never seen an aquarium on a military ship before, huh? Look over there… I have models. I built them myself! And a double bed for… sleeping in.

*Ash backs out slowly and into the elevator*

*elevator returns moments later revealing Liara*

Liara: Hey Shepard! Are you okay? Did you sleep well?

Shepard: *shuts door in her face* No, go away! Leave me alone.

Okay, that was mean lol. STILL! Let Ash comfort Shepard instead of Liara, BW!

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 23 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[BP93]

On the crew deck, standing outside Ash's door:

Shepard: "I know you're in there... I can you hear caring."
Liara: "....I'm standing right behind you, Shepard"
Shepard:
*door opens*
Ash: "Something going on?"
 

[BadExamp1e]

lol!

*Shepard walks into Ash's room*

Shepard: Hey, Ash. I just wanted to see you. I had a rough day and-
Ashley: Commander.
Shepard: Ash? I just wanted to-
Ashley: Good to see you!
*Shepard storms out of the room in a mini rage*
Ashley: *turns head around weirdly then... trollface*

*Shepard bumps into Liara as the elevator opens*

Liara: Goddess! Is something wrong, Shepard? My mother always said-
Shepard: GTFO!

[Rudy Lis]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Pretty much. They still blame it on Ash though. It's quite sad how many reporters and journalists title Ash a racist. You shouldn't title anybody that, unless you're 100% sure.

It's just easy to slap some title or label on someone and not to try realyl figure person out. Or at least try to. Not sure sign of what it is... Well, not true, I'm pretty sure sign of what it is, but western society is so "politically correct", so I better keep my opinion to myself.

BadExamp1e wrote...

Would you say she is xenophobic, Rudy?

He-he. If I thought that way, I wouldn't ask in first place, don't you think?

[DWH1982]

BP93 wrote...

Ash: "Hey Shepard....nice...fish?"

Shepard: 

-----------------

Liara: "Shepard, can I come in?"

Shepard: "No, go away!"

Liara: But I really need to talk to you about...

Shepard: Not now! I'm busy!

Liara: But Joker has been..

Shepard: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WOMAN! I'M PREOCCUPIED! COME BACK ANOTHER TIME!

*Liara hears voices inside the room. Then the door opens, and Ash walks out*

Ash: Sorry Skipper. We'll continue this another time, maybe.

*Ash gets on the elevator*

Liara: Oh, Goddess. I didn't interrupt...

Shepard: *sighs* No. Just... What did you want to talk about.

[BadExamp1e]

Oh noes. C*ck blocking.

Shepard: Do you want to-
Ashley: No. Not tonight.
Shepard: Why?
Ashley: Why? So we don't have to keep starting and stopping the whole night because were constantly being interrupted by someone.
Shepard: Just because she's the Shadow broker doesn't mean she’s watching us right this second, Ash.
Ashley: She's watching. She's always watching. Probably recording too.
Shepard: That's a scary thought.
Ashley: Uh huh.

@Rudy; I guess lol

[Rudy Lis]

That reminds of me of old joke about migraine...

[CptData]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Oh noes. C*ck blocking.

Shepard: Do you want to-
Ashley: No. Not tonight.
Shepard: Why?
Ashley: Why? So we don't have to keep starting and stopping the whole night because were constantly being interrupted by someone.
Shepard: Just because she's the Shadow broker doesn't mean she’s watching us right this second, Ash.
Ashley: She's watching. She's always watching. Probably recording too.
Shepard: That's a scary thought.
Ashley: Uh huh.

@Rudy; I guess lol

Garrus: Well, guess they know it.
Liara: I doubt they "know" it. They're just good guessers.
Joker: Besides that, it's not just you who's watching ...
Garrus: It still feels like betraying. Shepard is a good friend and Williams got my respect as fellow soldier and sniper ...
Joker: Sex sells.
Liara: I'm sure Westerlund News pays a good prize for a sneak peek into the love life of mankind's first and second Spectre.
Garrus: It feels wrong.
Joker: It gives me a stiff one ... so it can't be wrong.
Javik: You primitives are disgusting. Now you're watching yourself while procreation.
Joker: You didn't have porn in your time?
Javik: Of course! Keshl'Aan al Vartuk was a beautiful warrior actress - she usually defeated the Reapers with her Scratun and Bos'Het when-
Garrus: I'm glad I don't know what bodyparts are meant with those names ...
Liara: The Shadow Broker could do some research-
Garrus: No, no, no, please no.
Joker: Do you have some Prothean porn on your memory crystal?
Javik: No.
Joker: Well, you and Liara could reenact ...
Javik: No.

[BadExamp1e]

A ship full of perverts! Ashley knew she felt eyes on her...

Also, Prothean porn! Aahaha pure sick. Nice one, Data.

Have I mentioned I love Javik? He's like my third favourite. Too bad Ash and Javik don't talk that much... it doesn't even seem like they talk to each other in the game when you take them on missions.