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iHorizons wrote...

I approve of the EC


You said that already lol

Also, yeah man. Thanks for playing MP with me. You broke my heart.

At least Danny was there to pick up the pieces.

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What a shatty waste of time. Every bit was simply, "hey thanks for pointing out all the massive plot holes and inconsistencies we missed when casey and mac took over the ending, we'll be sure to plug them as best we can to save face over the next 3 months."

Some people like this ending better because it plugs plot holes, but that is a low standard because just introducing a new character and new overarching plot at the last second should be grounds enough for "worst storytelling ever." Others like it better because it gives more hope of a headcanon reunion. But if you want to see how an ending SHOULD take place, it's not perfect but play Witcher 2. There the ending is determined by your choices all along the way, none of this "all choices are available to everyone based on some crummy score because we couldn't figure out how else to say your decisions meant something."

I'm done with bioware. They used to care about making games which made them make money. Now they care about makin money first and games second and we've seen what that shift in focus leads to. Add onto that protecting the pride of the head studio people and you get what you see here.

Farewell Ash and Shepard. You will be missed. I think. Because I don't really think of you much anymore like I used to.


To be honest at this stage I'm just satisfied to have an ending that doesn't make me want to rage. But you are right, it's a low standard, it's not an amazing ending. Bioware haven't done anything new and exciting or creative here, they've just recycled tired old sci-fi storylines when it comes to the Catalyst and end-game decisions. So I can understand why you are unhappy with the quality of ME3 - the worst thing is if the fan rage had died down early on (like Bioware probably hoped it would) they would have never given fans the EC, fans forced them to do something. I definitely will not be buying any Bioware games without completely spoiling myself and knowing what the plot is beforehand, which is going to take away from the game but I can't have blindfaith and hope that they'll make a good game :(

Modifié par PhoenixIsra, 27 juin 2012 - 12:25 .


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BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

I approve of the EC


You said that already lol

Also, yeah man. Thanks for playing MP with me. You broke my heart.

At least Danny was there to pick up the pieces.


And you had me added on Xbox Live and forgot who i was.

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From what I've heard, I think I'll download the EC. I know a lot of folks wanted you to avoid spoilers - but thank you for talking about it in here, so I could know.

If what I've read is true, I suspect the endings will be acceptable. Not great, but no longer a sh*t sandwhich on asbestos bread. I am angry that part of it, again, depends on using multiplayer, which means I'll never get to see it, and it might be locked away from everyone once multiplayer dies. It makes me deeply angery that Bioware is trying to force me to do something I don't want to, and frankly that I can't do, due to my crummy internet connection, by tying any single player content to it. Especially after they said multiplayer wouldn't impact single player when multi player was announced.

I just have to deal with it, I guess, because if you don't do multiplayer you obviously don't count anymore. I'll download the EC, suck it up, play through Star Brat one more time, pick destroy, and invalidate everything I've done for EDI and the geth so there's a chance Ash and Shepard can be together. And I'll get the best ending I can without multiplayer.

If I like what I get - and, if what I've read here is true, it'll be acceptable - I'll decided on a case by case basis whether to pay for mission DLC. Frankly, I'm still not 100% sure Bioware deserves my money, both because of their crummy endings in the first place, and because they continue to insist on giving the finger to anyone who doesn't do multiplayer, but I should probably just give up on being treated totally well by them, and ME 3, despite it's flaws, is still an okay game.

I will, however, be extremely reluctant to purchase any future games from Bioware, or become involved in any of their future franchises, given how ME3 had been handled.

Modifié par DWH1982, 27 juin 2012 - 01:08 .


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iHorizons wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

I approve of the EC


You said that already lol

Also, yeah man. Thanks for playing MP with me. You broke my heart.

At least Danny was there to pick up the pieces.


And you had me added on Xbox Live and forgot who i was.


My bad. Usually when people add me I like to be sure who they are, you know? That, and well before the whole EC hoo-rah I never really played that much. Just on and off.

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BadExamp1e wrote...

Sgt Reed 24 wrote...

Is it safe from EC spoilers in here?


NO! GET OUT!

Or just don't read anything.


AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


*flees in terror* :o

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If what I've read is true, there's a lot of room for head canon with destroy.

Ash and Shep will be together, even if she doesn't realize it in my playthrough. And I'm already cooking up an idea about how maybe the geth weren't entirely destroyed (Star Brat does lie, after all) - but they're not entirely the same now, either.

I think in my head canon, the crucible won't destroy all AIs, just all AIs based on Reaper tech. Frankly, that makes more sense. I feel to see why it would have any impact on non-Reaper based AIs. Makes more sense that the "magic beams" would disrupt Reaper stuff.

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BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

I approve of the EC


You said that already lol

Also, yeah man. Thanks for playing MP with me. You broke my heart.

At least Danny was there to pick up the pieces.


And you had me added on Xbox Live and forgot who i was.


My bad. Usually when people add me I like to be sure who they are, you know? That, and well before the whole EC hoo-rah I never really played that much. Just on and off.


next time youre on i should be able to play ME3 MP

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iHorizons wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

I approve of the EC


You said that already lol

Also, yeah man. Thanks for playing MP with me. You broke my heart.

At least Danny was there to pick up the pieces.


And you had me added on Xbox Live and forgot who i was.


My bad. Usually when people add me I like to be sure who they are, you know? That, and well before the whole EC hoo-rah I never really played that much. Just on and off.


next time youre on i should be able to play ME3 MP


Right. That'll do.

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Sgt Reed 24 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

Sgt Reed 24 wrote...

Is it safe from EC spoilers in here?


NO! GET OUT!

Or just don't read anything.


AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


*flees in terror* :o


Yeah, you better run.

#36536
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DWH1982 wrote...

If what I've read is true, there's a lot of room for head canon with destroy.

Ash and Shep will be together, even if she doesn't realize it in my playthrough. And I'm already cooking up an idea about how maybe the geth weren't entirely destroyed (Star Brat does lie, after all) - but they're not entirely the same now, either.

I think in my head canon, the crucible won't destroy all AIs, just all AIs based on Reaper tech. Frankly, that makes more sense. I feel to see why it would have any impact on non-Reaper based AIs. Makes more sense that the "magic beams" would disrupt Reaper stuff.


Go ahead and download the EC. It's not the perfect ending by far, but it does repair some of the damage.

Or watch it on youtube. It took two hours for the EC to download for me.

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I'll download it for my current playthrough. I only just finished my first visit to the Citadel, haven't even done Palaven yet. And I only play on weekends, and will be unable to, it looks like for the next two weekends - so it'll be some time before I get around to downloading it. By then, the download speed should be faster.

Won't watch on You Tube. Reading about it on here was enough.

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DWH1982 wrote...
If what I've read is true, I suspect the endings will be acceptable. Not great, but no longer a sh*t sandwhich on asbestos bread. I am angry that part of it, again, depends on using multiplayer, which means I'll never get to see it, and it might be locked away from everyone once multiplayer dies. It makes me deeply angery that Bioware is trying to force me to do something I don't want to, and frankly that I can't do, due to my crummy internet connection, by tying any single player content to it. Especially after they said multiplayer wouldn't impact single player when multi player was announced.

I just have to deal with it, I guess, because if you don't do multiplayer you obviously don't count anymore. I'll download the EC, suck it up, play through Star Brat one more time, pick destroy, and invalidate everything I've done for EDI and the geth so there's a chance Ash and Shepard can be together. And I'll get the best ending I can without multiplayer.
 


Doesn't the EC patch the game so that multiplayer is  no longer required and it's possible to get enough assets with single player? I can't confirm it because I've played multiplayer recently so my assets are as high as they can get but I've heard other people saying this was now the case. Hopefully it is because IA that multiplayer should not impact on someone who doesn't want to play it.
Hope that you enjoy small Shep/Ash dose that is in the EC ;)

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DWH1982 wrote...

I'll download it for my current playthrough. I only just finished my first visit to the Citadel, haven't even done Palaven yet. And I only play on weekends, and will be unable to, it looks like for the next two weekends - so it'll be some time before I get around to downloading it. By then, the download speed should be faster.

Won't watch on You Tube. Reading about it on here was enough.


It's better than the original ending, that's for sure. Then again, it doesn't take much to beat that.

Tip: Take Ash to the beam with you when you do. Have high EMS.

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Well, at least it never could have been worse than the original endings. Okay, they could have left Gilligans Planet alone and making Joker doing Ash all day, but ... didn't happen, I'm fine.

And I definitely should go to bed. It's 3am here. Guys, that's not good, I have to get up 7am!

@ Phoenix: Afaik it's possible to do it with 3100 EMS (50% of 6200 War Assets) now, I read it in this thread:
EMS & ECdiscussion

So that means you won't have to pull any MP stunts to get it done. However, I believe it requires TIM -not- shooting Anderson - you still need that final speech with good ol' David.

Modifié par CptData, 27 juin 2012 - 12:58 .


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BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

I approve of the EC


You said that already lol

Also, yeah man. Thanks for playing MP with me. You broke my heart.

At least Danny was there to pick up the pieces.


And you had me added on Xbox Live and forgot who i was.


My bad. Usually when people add me I like to be sure who they are, you know? That, and well before the whole EC hoo-rah I never really played that much. Just on and off.


next time youre on i should be able to play ME3 MP


Right. That'll do.


or maybe ill just let you speculate......;)

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I know I said I wanted an Ash/Shepard reunion, but maybe it's better that they did it this way. Now we're free to imagine them meeting however we want.

Still not happy about EDI and the geth, but like Data said, that stuff can be head cannoned too.

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We wanted more, so here we go. I can't believe it, but I'm mostly satisfied about EC.

And yeah, destroy for the win. Simple reason: memorial scene.

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DWH1982 wrote...

I know I said I wanted an Ash/Shepard reunion, but maybe it's better that they did it this way. Now we're free to imagine them meeting however we want.

Still not happy about EDI and the geth, but like Data said, that stuff can be head cannoned too.


Didn't see the Geth dying - and even if their mobile platforms are gone, the clusters could still be intact. And for EDI ... that's also quite easy to fix. No real hurdle at least. Besides that, Joker may haunt me in my dreams if I don't bring her back. :lol:

shot_u wrote...

We wanted more, so here we go. I can't believe it, but I'm mostly satisfied about EC.

And yeah, destroy for the win. Simple reason: memorial scene.

Ash refusing to do it ... well, that was gold. She knows it. :wub:

Modifié par CptData, 27 juin 2012 - 01:00 .


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I don't do multiplayer, so I won't get to see Ash refusing to put Shepard's name up, it seems.

*sighs*

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I think sometime after the war, Ash will start wearing her hair in a pony tail, at least in my canon.

Modifié par DWH1982, 27 juin 2012 - 01:06 .


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I'll, be back to rain down negativity once I play the EC, which could be couple days b/c I'm only at the Krogan missions on this run. lol

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DWH: I posted a link dealing with that issue: you won't need >4000 EMS and Anderson alive to get Shepard breathing. You just need 3100 EMS (50% of 6200) and keep Anderson alive for his final dialogue - which is possible without even trying.

I had 3400 EMS or so without MP (50% Readiness). With those additional N7-Teams (promoting your guys in MP) and 100% Readiness, I have well over 7000, almost 8000 EMS.

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Sgt Reed 24 wrote...

I'll, be back to rain down negativity once I play the EC, which could be couple days b/c I'm only at the Krogan missions on this run. lol


From what I've heard, it's not bad even if it's not perfect.

Maybe it's better to go in not expecting much? I mean, at this point, we might have to be happy with merely "acceptable." We'll never be rid of Star Brat, so I guess we'll just have to deal.

The more I think about it, the more I think my explanations will be that Star Brat is either A) lying through his teeth about everything - and doing so poorly, thus explaning his logic problems - or B) a hallucination. Under this explanation, Shepard is interfacing directly with the crucible after he passes out, and the Star Brat is just his mind's attempt to make sense of the information it was never meant to process.

His brain picks up on the fact that the crucible can be used to destroy the Reapers, along with EDI and the geth, because they have some Reaper tech in them, or to control them or somehow generate synthesis (lord how I hate that it can do that). Shep's mind adds the rest, logic problems and all, to make sense of things, because the interface is half like a dream.

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CptData wrote...

DWH: I posted a link dealing with that issue: you won't need >4000 EMS and Anderson alive to get Shepard breathing. You just need 3100 EMS (50% of 6200) and keep Anderson alive for his final dialogue - which is possible without even trying.

I had 3400 EMS or so without MP (50% Readiness). With those additional N7-Teams (promoting your guys in MP) and 100% Readiness, I have well over 7000, almost 8000 EMS.


**SPOILERS**

I was talking about Ash being reluctant to put Shepard's name on the wall.

From what I've read elsewhere, she's only reluctant if you have 4000 EMS. Otherwise, she puts his name on, even if you get the breath scene.

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Because i was naughty and double posted:

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Modifié par DWH1982, 27 juin 2012 - 01:21 .


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Someone should pull the stunt and try it with barely above 3100 EMS with Anderson having his final dialogue, DWH.

I really hope you get your breathing scene and reluctant Ashley. Well, my Ash never put the name on the memorial board (not on screen at least).