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[BadExamp1e]

Shepard being alive after choosing synthesis or control is too far fetched for my liking. He died in that ending, and Ashley clearly knows it, and shows it. It's not possible to be alive when his face and skin melted into... nasty stuff. Organics later on down the line might try to bring him back, but even that’s stretching on the impossible, and for what exactly? I'd rather they left him alone, and remember him. Messing around with Shepard's "energy" might undo the whole process or worst, and then where would they be? They'd be f**ked.

Sure, people can rebuild EDI again, but she won't be the same. She wasn't the same when they rebuilt her from the remains on Luna. They'll probably have to use new reaper tech or something which will alter her yet again. So nope, I don't really believe in bringing EDI back.

They'll be missed, but the Geth and EDI are staying dead in my game, and they won't be brought back. Too big of a risk to start rebuilding synthetics now that the reapers are gone.

[BP93]

I did like the fact that choosing the Geth and letting the Quarians die had a deep impact. When they showed Rannoch in my ending, it was basically a desert Chernobyl because I chose the destroy ending. Maybe after Shepard comes back he'll give it to Wrex or something. lol

I noticed one thing though last night that I forgot to add, Cortez died in the shuttle crash on Earth so he wasn't there for the memorial wall scene, but his name also wasn't on the wall. No one cares about you Steve! lol Though to be honest, there wasn't much room left on my wall anyway.

Wonder what Ash eventually did with the name plaque? Snap it in half? Keep it buried somewhere, just in case?

EDIT: To those who said something, I kind of already stopped writing. I've had a new chapter written up for like the past month but I'm stuck and don't have any clue as to how to end it so I've pretty much ignored it since then. Maybe I'll hammer one out today and just post it.

Modifié par BP93, 27 juin 2012 - 03:26 .

[Helmnath]

Hellfire257 wrote...

Shepard doesn't do half-measures, and neither should you!  Destroy is about getting the job done. Imagine if Frodo had decided to keep the ring in Lord of the Rings - it is the same here IMO. Destroy offers minimal risk, regrettable but acceptable casualties, and completes the mission.

From what the catalyst said, Shepard's thoughts and presumable awareness are retained in control, but it isn't clear what form he will take. I would presume he becomes analogous to the catalyst - part of the reaper "consensus" or collective conciousness, maybe with a physical embodiment.

Synthesis however is a tricky one with from what I can see, no clear cut lines. From what I could gather, Shepard's essence is dispersed among all life forms, so I'm guessing he becomes a part of everyone. For an energy manifestation, a similar device to the grey box is probably required so I cannot see that being able to work.

The Geth and EDI are beyond salvage. AI works by using a quantum blue box that forms a personality construct. A new blue box would create a similar AI, but not the same. Replacing the blue boxes or simply rebuilding the hardware platforms would be like cloning an organic. You retain the physical properties but not the memories. Their memory would essentially be wiped. If the blue box is intact though, it is different and salvage may be possible.

This - sums it up for me as well, yesterday I was a little meh about the whole EC content but sat down thought about played it through again and yeah I think its a lot better or at least it is with destroy ending.  Think thats spoiler free but will discuss more after the spoiler free zone has been lifted from this thread

[CptData]

It appears I might be in need of a beta reader sooner or later.

My old one I have asked is no more (AshleyMadelineWilliams) and I definitely need a new one in case I'm going to continue my fanfic one day. I have plenty of time now to write down stuff.


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Gawddamn awfully long essay dealing with the EC endings

Modifié par CptData, 27 juin 2012 - 03:42 .

[BP93]

I responded Data ^. Seems like I'm the only who's gotten that part of their ending though. No one seems to know what happened to the Geth but it was made pretty clear in my playthrough. lol

I guess as Ash would say: Destroy Ending 1 Flashlight heads 0

[redbaron76]

All that matters is that Shepard and Ashley can be reunited. Normandy is not stranded, and hell yes the most important part Reapers are no more. And catalyst is toast too.

[CptData]

Kinda downside: from what I got so far, none of Ashley's missing lines got reintroduced. Doubt it's going to happen.

Maybe we Ash fans should create a movement together with Kaidan fans to get a VS package? Damnit. Want have more Ash. I'm hungry for Ashley.
Well, that sounds creepy.

[BP93]

Slightly creepy. I didn't notice anything new with Ash until the EC kicked in either.

[CptData]

Someone has the creepy dude, ya know ^^


Don't go ... Skipper ... don't leave me alone. Don't go to the place where I can't follow you - please! I ... I can't move on without you ...

All condensed in that one moment.
Depressing.

It was really relieving to see her face when Ashley refused to put the name on the memorial wall.

[Igib]

I didn't believe I would say this, but EC is good. Not perfect, but good enough.

Still, I don't understand why people are so thankful to them. I see no reason.

[BadExamp1e]

Typical. Data just has to come in and make the second goodbye scene even more cheesy lol

Personally, thought it was fine.

"I know you can. No matter what happens here today, I'll always love you."

It's great to see them acting like human beings for once. \\o/

I can live with the endings now. I'm looking forward to future DLC. Hopefully we'll get more Ash content on the Normandy. My mate keeps asking me why she doesn't talk. =/

[CptData]

Cpt "Cheesy" Data. That's my name.

MBE: yeah, I loved that scene. It hurt my guts, like the first farewell scene, but even more impressive. It was like watching real people, not piles of pixels in a video game.

Okay, Ash always felt human to me - in ME1. She lost a lot of character in ME3, but the few scenes she had she still felt like ME1!Ashley - a bit matured, but still the same.
And that last scene ... you could feel the love and desperation.

[Funkcase]

I actually really enjoyed the EC in the end. I didn't go for destroy, as much as I wanted my Shep and Ash re-united, I couldn't let the Geth die and EDI too. So I went with control.

[Dannycni]

The EC has grown on me a bit since I've had time to think about it and let it sink in. I wonder what other Ashley lines were included though but I won't find that out until my next play through and I'm done now with ME for a few months at least (or at least I say that now but will probably go crawling back to it).

Ashleys coming for you Shepard!

[BP93]

I'm considering doing a control playthrough now. Save as many people as I can. My playthrough that I completed last night had a blood trail three miles long. lol

Might do it as my femshep that I've never bothered to finish. Only problem is, no Ash... =/

[CptData]

Funkcase wrote...

I actually really enjoyed the EC in the end. I didn't go for destroy, as much as I wanted my Shep and Ash re-united, I couldn't let the Geth die and EDI too. So I went with control.

Kinda have a talk with Igib dealing with the ethical issues with the Control Ending.

Question: is Controller!Shepard still Shepard? My current answer is "no". His "essence" (soul) ascended / got converted to a fully developed AI. That AI talks about Shepard in the past and sees him/itself as a new entity, which is most likely right. Also Controller!Shepard sounds a bit like EDI: lack of emotions. I assume he/it lost all emotions or does no longer understand that concept. However, the basic setting of the AI (Peacekeeper / God-Emperor) is set by Shepard's morality.

My original idea, Shepard may simply construct an avatar and return to Ashley in the Control ending does no longer work. Even if Controller!Shepard creates that avatar,  he/it won't be the same like Shepard was before ascending to an AI. That AI isn't fully able to love and won't feel the same for Ashley anymore.

Reunion? Hardly possible.

Well, just my interpretation, maybe you have a different one?

Also my interpetation: Geth and EDI can be rebuild. Maybe EDI shut herself down before getting hit by the shockwave, preventing damage. Same for some Geth. The shockwave could have been programmed to take out AIs and not the vessels carrying those AIs? In that case, the Geth and EDI could have survived.

Modifié par CptData, 27 juin 2012 - 05:34 .

[BP93]

I think some of you are holding onto false hope about the Geth. What I got last night made it pretty clear that the Geth were no more.

Unless of course, you're just headcanon'ing it.

[Spitfire017]

True, the EC is not perfect by any means, and even creates some new plot holes (Why didn't Harby destroy the Normandy when it came to pick up Shepards squad? Why did Joker even agree to bring the Normandy down when the LZ was way too hot for a landing?) However, instead of making a bunch of criticisms against it (which I will post in the near future),I am going to say I am pretty satisfied. Not pleased, but satisfied.

The highlights for me were:
-Getting more info from the starkid and being bale to ask him questions
-Hackett's speech at the end (Destroy)
-the memorial scene and the Normandy lifting off that planet
-I got the breath scene and sooooo happy about it!!!

However, I seem to have missed out of the most touching Shepley moment. Every time I advance cross no mans land and make the charge towards the beam, I never bring Ashley, because I don't want to risk her life at all. I always bring Javik and Garrus. So, I definitely missed out.

My main question is: did they give some new lines to Ash during the Cronos mission? Its been a while since I played it, but I am sure Ash got some new lines. She asked Shepard "if he remembered anything while under," such as in the cut afterlife-talk scene. Can somebody confirm this please?

Modifié par Spitfire017, 27 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[BadExamp1e]

More than half the population on Earth were scarified. Or in some saves, the Krogan, or the Quarians. If Shepard can go through with that, well, I imagine losing the Geth wouldn't be as hard. I honestly don't know if the Quarians will miss the Geth. Some will, make no mistake. But the rest will be glad to see them gone even if they've made peace. I can't see the peace lasting anyway. For there on out, the Geth will always be the boss when it comes down to it.

The endings are different in their own way, but destroy works for me the best. And that's not just because Ashley doesn't have to go through the heartbreak again. That option destroys them and that's that. There's the off switch, if you know what I mean. It's what my Shepard set out to do. Destroy them, at all costs.

[BadExamp1e]

CptData wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

I actually really enjoyed the EC in the end. I didn't go for destroy, as much as I wanted my Shep and Ash re-united, I couldn't let the Geth die and EDI too. So I went with control.

Kinda have a talk with Igib dealing with the ethical issues with the Control Ending.

Question: is Controller!Shepard still Shepard? My current answer is "no". His "essence" (soul) ascended / got converted to a fully developed AI. That AI talks about Shepard in the past and sees him/itself as a new entity, which is most likely right. Also Controller!Shepard sounds a bit like EDI: lack of emotions. I assume he/it lost all emotions or does no longer understand that concept. However, the basic setting of the AI (Peacekeeper / God-Emperor) is set by Shepard's morality.

My original idea, Shepard may simply construct an avatar and return to Ashley in the Control ending does no longer work. Even if Controller!Shepard creates that avatar,  he/it won't be the same like Shepard was before ascending to an AI. That AI isn't fully able to love and won't feel the same for Ashley anymore.

Reunion? Hardly possible.

Well, just my interpretation, maybe you have a different one?

Also my interpetation: Geth and EDI can be rebuild. Maybe EDI shut herself down before getting hit by the shockwave, preventing damage. Same for some Geth. The shockwave could have been programmed to take out AIs and not the vessels carrying those AIs? In that case, the Geth and EDI could have survived.

The Geth and EDI are dead. If you don't want them to die, pick control.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 27 juin 2012 - 05:45 .

[CptData]

BP93 wrote...

I think some of you are holding onto false hope about the Geth. What I got last night made it pretty clear that the Geth were no more.

Unless of course, you're just headcanon'ing it.

We also headcanon a reunion of Ash and Shepard. It's not seen on screen.

Why can't I headcanon Geth /& EDI survival?
Or the rebuild of the Mass Relays.
Or reunion-sex between Ash / Shepard
Or cute kids.
Or whatever nasty or cute image you may have of post-ME3.

Same question @ MBE. One good reason ^^
And you never ever can convince me to pick control.

Hits pretty much everything I believe in. Every single bit.

Modifié par CptData, 27 juin 2012 - 05:48 .

[BadExamp1e]

Spitfire017 wrote...

True, the EC is not perfect by any means, and even creates some new plot holes (Why didn't Harby destroy the Normandy when it came to pick up Shepards squad? Why did Joker even agree to bring the Normandy down when the LZ was way too hot for a landing?) However, instead of making a bunch of criticisms against it (which I will post in the near future),I am going to say I am pretty satisfied. Not pleased, but satisfied.

The highlights for me were:
-Getting more info from the starkid and being bale to ask him questions
-Hackett's speech at the end (Destroy)
-the memorial scene and the Normandy lifting off that planet
-I got the breath scene and sooooo happy about it!!!

However, I seem to have missed out of the most touching Shepley moment. Every time I advance cross no mans land and make the charge towards the beam, I never bring Ashley, because I don't want to risk her life at all. I always bring Javik and Garrus. So, I definitely missed out.

My main question is: did they give some new lines to Ash during the Cronos mission? Its been a while since I played it, but I am sure Ash got some new lines. She asked Shepard "if he remembered anything while under," such as in the cut afterlife-talk scene. Can somebody confirm this please?

I'm afraid that's not a new line. She always said that in my games.

[BP93]

I'm not discouraging you using your imagination. lol

Just saying, what I saw last night kind of threw that possibility out of the window, at least for me. Been trying to find a video of it but no such luck yet. Wish my PVR worked otherwise I'd just upload it myself.

[CptData]

Someone could create a Destruction-Ending-Video showing alive Geth. I lack the skill *g*

[BadExamp1e]

CptData wrote...

BP93 wrote...

I think some of you are holding onto false hope about the Geth. What I got last night made it pretty clear that the Geth were no more.

Unless of course, you're just headcanon'ing it.

We also headcanon a reunion of Ash and Shepard. It's not seen on screen.

Why can't I headcanon Geth /& EDI survival?
Or the rebuild of the Mass Relays.
Or reunion-sex between Ash / Shepard
Or cute kids.
Or whatever nasty or cute image you may have of post-ME3.

Same question @ MBE. One good reason ^^
And you never ever can convince me to pick control.

Hits pretty much everything I believe in. Every single bit.

The Mass relays are not AI’s.

Do you really want to create more synthetic life forms when you’ve finally achieved peace? You can’t EVER be certain with them. And the peace won't last. At least with control, you have some... control over the wars which will break out between them and the organics.

Also, read my top post on why EDI can’t be brought back.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 27 juin 2012 - 05:54 .