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[DWH1982]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I've only watched the videos of Destroy (low EMS) and Synthesis. I honestly felt like Bioware is still in favor of synthesis, since they cast it as a utopia, where everyone lives in peace and harmony and the Reapers become our best friends.

Ummm, sorry but that just feels unrealistic and ridiculous to me. Does everybody become connected to each other, in a hive mind type deal? If not (and it doesn't seem that way from the epilogue and EDI) then people would be confused and angry. More chaos and destruction would ensue. Or, did somehow Shepard's essence spread by the Crucible fundamentally changes human nature itself, not just the DNA?

It also feels like the "End of History." Any politician science or history students here who gets my reference?

Yeah, I agree.

Bioware can say what they want, but I personally feel that synthesis is the most morally abhorrent of each of the three options.

If synthesis happened to me, I wouldn't be happy. I'd spend the rest of my life angry and bitter about being changed in such a fundamental way without my permission. And I don't even hold moral or religious views against transhumanism. Can you imagine how someone with strong religious views against that type of intervention would feel? There are entire religions that oppose medical treatment. Am I to believe that anyone with those religious views would suddenly be happy about having their DNA changed and being "turned" half synthetic?

A Shepard who picks synthesis is as bad as some of the worst despots in history, only instead of forcing a particular religious, political, or economic view down the throats of his subjects, that Shepard is forcing a fundamental change in what it means to be alive, whether those people like it or not.

When I first experienced the endings, I picked synthesis. I did so because I was confused and upset about what was going on and not thrinking properly, and because it felt like synthesis is what Bioware "wanted" me to do. I have only regretted it, and if I have my way, I'll never pick synthesis again.

I should note - since DNA has some impact on our behavior, and since synthesis changes our DNA, I guess it's possible that everyone might be fine and peachy with synthesis. But to me, that's equally horrible, since now you've also forcably changed everyone's personality, as well. Honestly, don't know if it would be worse for personalities to change or not - if they do, it's creepy and wrong. If they don't, I think synthesis would be immediately followed by a widespread rash of suicides as people who refuse to accept what they''ve become kill themselves.

So, yeah - it'll be destroy for me from now on. Don't trust control, and absolutely hate synthesis. Also think that Ash would be among those who hate Shepard for picking synthesis, so that adds extra reason not to go for it...

[SweShadow90]

Control feels wrong.. It's agains everything Shepard has been fighting for. Insteed of finding a solution to future wars, you choose to be a friggin dominator who steps in with the reapers whenever it's a conflict. So that's a big no for me.

But Synthesis or Destroy... That's a damn hard choice.
For the fun of it, I'm gonna make a pro's and con's list of those two endings:
SYNTHESIS:
Pro's:

• EDI and the Geth survives, meaning more beings live on and less have to be sacrifised.
• Jocker gets his love, EDI.
• Synthetics get's true organical emotions and organics get a whole new source of knowlage beyond imagenation. And there will be no war between organics and synthetics.
• Rebuilding the relays and destroyed worlds will take much less time.

Con's:

• Shepard dies, meaning no reunion with Ash, and as the most of you guys say.. She probably won't be able to take it.
• There can still be war, just not for the same reasons.
• The one's who allies with the reapers will be the strongest.
• Maybe the gallaxy recovers a bit "to fast", meaning that the post-war Allience won't be established enough because the different species will be able to stand on there on feets faster, thanks to the Reapers helping rebuild everything.

DESTROY:
Pro's:

• Shepard lives. Gets his reunion with his love of his life (Ash in my case )
• The reapers are totally out of the game. No one can ally with them. And you will be true to what Shepard has been fighting for all along; TOTAL FREE WILL TO THE PEOPLE!
• Don't know how much technologi that still remains. But the blast from the catalyst killed the synthetics, that doesn't mean it removed the contents of the computers. Some must still remain. Therefore EDI might be able to be recreated with all the knowlage she had just before the blast. As goes for the Geth.
• As amiral Hacket says; if we can destroy the Reapers, then together,  we can rebuild everything even if it will take time. Meaning that the whole gallaxy have to work together to get everything restored. Which is god for the post-war alliense.

Con's:

• If all the data about and on the AI's is destroyed in the blast of the catalyst., then Joker will lose his beloved EDI forever and sacrifising every single Geth, who just became individuals and as living as they could be, wouldn't be fare.
• Even if it doesn't feel likely; if everything gose to hell during the rebuilding, meaning that species starts to separate from the post-war Alliance, that could mean a sh**storm of war.
• This last con is pobably the most unlikely. But as the reaperchild says; your children will make Synthitics again and they will try to rebell against there creators. But if everything is as good as the pro about intact memorys from the AI's, they will be created in a few years and these synthetics are allready at peace with the organics, so war could be avoided.

Summation: I would go for the destroy ending anytime. With any chance that the pro's I said can be correct, it's a no-brainer!

Modifié par SweShadow90, 29 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[DWH1982]

No Ash on that page. Must fix that.



I knew you weren't dead, Skipper. Not this time. I knew you'd come back to me...

[SweShadow90]

DWH1982 wrote...

No Ash on that page. Must fix that.



I knew you weren't dead, Skipper. Not this time. I knew you'd come back to me...

da** it.. I love that picture!<3


EDIT: Hay! I can post picures now! :wizard:

Modifié par SweShadow90, 29 juin 2012 - 01:12 .

[SweShadow90]

"I was lost without you, Shepard" <3

[DWH1982]

I don't want you to go...

[Spitfire017]

I just watched the Control ending...wow, now that's creepy.

Control was my original choice, since I felt it was the more Paragon choice. But after hearing FemSheps creepy epilogue....it just opens up a can of worms. How do we know that Shepards new mind won't get warped and start the cycle all over again? There is no gaurantee. Only Destroy offers that!

@DWH1982: You should post your thoughts on Synthesis in a thread over in the Campaign discussion, which tries to make Destroy seem like the worst option.

Modifié par Spitfire017, 29 juin 2012 - 01:23 .

[SweShadow90]

Spitfire017 wrote...
@DWH1982: You should post your thoughts on Synthesis in a thread over in the Campaign discussion, which tries to make Destroy seem like the worst option.

Do you think my list would be something to post there too?

[DWH1982]

Haven't seen the EC endings, but if I were writing fan fic on this synthesis "utopia" it reportedly shows, it would actually be a nice, shiney utopia on the surface but a dystopia beneath the surface.

For starters, if everyone agrees that synthesis is so great, that's actually a problem - because sentients will never, ever agree completely on something like that, especially in the Mass Effect universe. It means that dissenters have killed themselves, have been killed, or are being marginalized or "reeducated" somehow.

[SweShadow90]

PhoenixIsra wrote...

'If all the data about and on the AI's is destroyed in the blast of the catalyst'
I don't think it would be because it isn't data that is being target, it's synthetic lifeforms. The Catalyst says that technology will be able to be restored so I think EDI can be rebuilt and the Geth either created again or fixed.
RE: EDI and Joker being together, personally as much as I like EDI I don't see EDI/Joker as a reason for choosing control or synthesis because many other people - including Ashley's own sister - have lost loved ones in the war, so to me Joker/EDI don't get special treatment just because they know Shepard.
I don't like Synthesis for the same reasons as DWH1982. I get why people chose it because in Synthesis everything seems perfect (I say 'seems' because usually perfect utopia has a dark side) and they want EDI and the Geth to live but I can't help being morally against it for so many reasons

Well that convinced me even more.

And about everything seeming to be perfect..
.. Jumping a million years forward in the technologi is bound to come with a big price that not even the whole gallaxy can pay!

[Spitfire017]

SweShadow90 wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...
@DWH1982: You should post your thoughts on Synthesis in a thread over in the Campaign discussion, which tries to make Destroy seem like the worst option.

Do you think my list would be something to post there too?

maybe...here the link:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12849950/3

[JedTed]

@DWH1982 Damn it, i really wanna like Synthesis but your logic makes a lot of sense. I can see the dystopian nature of it but i always ignore the morality of it.

Is selfish to want Joker and Edi to be happy together?

[scotiej]

Well, I just finished ME3 with the extended cut for my own playthrough. It certainly didn't address all of the problems and some of the cut scenes still felt like patch jobs, but it explained some of the biggest issues and plot holes and gave me a sense of hope for Shepard and Ashley. I picked destroy because as I said before, I can't bring myself to force synthesis on others and control is too dangerous. I certainly didn't want to kill EDI or the Geth, but the only way to be truly free from the reapers influence on the galaxy was to destroy them.

I feel more satisfied about the EC and what it offered. It isn't perfect and far from what I expected of Bioware, but I feel content to be able to fill in the holes with my own head canon and think up a way for Shepard and Ashley to finally get some R&R.

BTW, this isn't a goodbye, just felt I needed to let this out.

[scotiej]

JedTed wrote...

@DWH1982 Damn it, i really wanna like Synthesis but your logic makes a lot of sense. I can see the dystopian nature of it but i always ignore the morality of it.

Is selfish to want Joker and Edi to be happy together?

Of course not, I wanted them to be happy too. I just couldn't force such a change on so many like that. No person has the right to fundamentally change other people against their will. I'm not saying you can't make that choice for your play through, I personally just can't agree with it.

[Badpie]

 Hey guys.  I jotted down the short beginnings of a post ME3 fic I'm going to continue.  Chapter 1 is up here if you feel so inclined.  Unsurprisingly it's Ash/Shepard themed.  Also there are EC spoilers so...   You have been warned.  

[iHorizons]

@SweShadow90

Choosing between Synthesis and Destroy wasn't hard for me at all. I like the message of synthesis but it's complete bs and space magic and I will not the genetics of the entire galaxy without their permission. I pick destroy so my Shepard can reunited with Ashley, reapers and StarKid are destroyed, and synthetics can just be rebuilt.

[scotiej]

@Badpie; Pretty good, has a promising start.

[LoneStarJedi]

Just a few thoughts now that I've finished the EC.

Pretty good patch job, but still a patch job. The endings were presented better, although I still don't like the concepts behind them. But, I enjoyed it and mostly got what I wanted out of it.

Chose Destroy, naturally. It's what Shepard and crew started out to do since day one, and I followed through. After millions of years of slaughter, it had to be done. That, and I asked myself "What would Ash want me to do?" Frak the Reapers, that's what. The control ending was creepy as hell, and I don't know if she'd even recognize the entity formely known as Shepard. All the humanity was gone, sounded like just another AI. And synthesis? Who am I to play god, altering all life as we know it? Those two endings just didn't feel right to me.

And is it just me, or did it seem like the Destruction ending got the short end of the stick? Sure, the post-war galaxy seemed to be doing ok. Rebuilding, alliances, progress and all that. But the other two endings make it seem like things were going to be sooooo much better now that the Reapers are our friends, now that hybrid beings will come together and hold hands in some utopian lovefest. Certainly seems like those were the favored endings.

Also, before I forget. I had kinda head-canoned a way around EDI and the Geth getting killed. I figured now that they were evolved into true individuals, now that they "had souls", they might have been differentiated from the Reapers. Maybe the pretty red explosion wouldn't affect them. Now, not only does the Starbrat specifically point out that they'll be killed too, but EDI's name is up on the memorial wall. Hard to head-canon around that.

But! Had a nice scene with Ash during the final charge, and her hesitation to put Shep's name on the wall, so it's hard to be too grumpy right now

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

 Hey guys.  I jotted down the short beginnings of a post ME3 fic I'm going to continue.  Chapter 1 is up here if you feel so inclined.  Unsurprisingly it's Ash/Shepard themed.  Also there are EC spoilers so...   You have been warned.  

feeeeelllliiiinnnnggggsssssss

[redbaron76]

We might need to crack a whip or light a candle under bioware in hope that we get sheplry reunion.Hope you agree with my opinion.

[survivor_686]

Badpie wrote...

 Hey guys.  I jotted down the short beginnings of a post ME3 fic I'm going to continue.  Chapter 1 is up here if you feel so inclined.  Unsurprisingly it's Ash/Shepard themed.  Also there are EC spoilers so...   You have been warned.  

Kudos to you Badpie. Am actually interested in Chapter 2 now.

[krukow]

redbaron76 wrote...

We might need to crack a whip or light a candle under bioware in hope that we get sheplry reunion.Hope you agree with my opinion.

I would be fine if the ending was never expanded up.

I would also pay plenty of money for this as well.  Plenty.

[iHorizons]

Do you guys believe in the PT?
It's theory I have in which the endings were a dream caused by the Reapers putting LSD in Shepards pancakes

[Gangsta914]

Haven't been on here in forever. Are we allowed to post spoilers? In the thread title it says Spoiler free so I don't want to break a rule and have Ash come after me