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[ADLegend21]

playboy does centerfolds. Pin Ups keep their clothes on. FYI. I could see Ashley doing a pin up spread, but she'd draw her pistol at a centerfold offer. XD

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Modifié par ADLegend21, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:50 .

[BadExamp1e]

Spitfire017 wrote...

@BE: Its that we defend Ashley, our favorite character. To do that, we have to understand her character, her motivations and her place in the game. This is something that many cannot or refuse to do.

Yeah, but this dude is supposed to have romanced Ash... And he thinks she doesn't trust him.

I don't want to insult the guy but... You know? lol

And for the love of god no. Ashley wouldn't do a pin-up spread. Ever.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .

[DWH1982]

Frankly, Ashley shouldn't have a lot of trust in Shepard at the start of ME3.

He worked for Cerberus. I don't think I'd be at ALL willing to trust someone, even someone who used to be that close to me, if they went off and spent a year working for a terrorist organization that attacks my country on a regular basis.

Also, if you did Arrival, Shepard is in custody for destroying an entire star system. That also looks just really bad.

[Td1984]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Haha, guys. I started playing ME2 again today. I never trusted them, but I'm only noticing now how fake they seem. Straight after getting a big lecture about how “noble” Cerberus is from Kelly I can’t help but face palm. Lies, lies, lies and more lies.

Also, no Ashley pin-ups for me. Do I really need to say why? Ash ain't that type of gal. I'd rather have a t-shirt that says, "Subtle as a boot to the face." Or some other awesome Ashley quote.

I think I'd like one that has her "why is it that when someone says 'with all due respect,' they really mean 'kiss my ***'?" line. Of course, due to language issues, if they did a shirt for Ash, that would likely be the last one they'd use.

Modifié par Td1984, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:53 .

[BP93]

ADLegend21 wrote...

playboy does centerfolds. Pin Ups keep their clothes on. FYI. I could see Ashley doing a pin up spread, but she'd draw her pistol at a centerfold offer. XD

I think it says a lot about you, knowing the difference between the two.

But yeah, you get the idea. Playbody, Maxim, Rolling Stone...etc... ain't happening unless you want to be introduced to the boomstick. That EDI t-shirt is creepy as hell though, I'm serious. No way in hell I'd wear that in public.

Modifié par BP93, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:58 .

[DWH1982]

Based on Ash's reaction to the strippers when you go into Chora's Den, I have to agree - she'd never do anything like that. No centerfolds or pin ups for her.

[BadExamp1e]

DWH1982 wrote...

Based on Ash's reaction to the strippers when you go into Chora's Den, I have to agree - she'd never do anything like that. No centerfolds or pin ups for her.

EVER.

Not even if she had no money and was homeless on the street.

Never, ever, Evaaaaaaaaaaaar.

[Aurora313]

*in hospital. Shepard's counscious but not mobile. Ash is peeling an apple for him.*

Ashley: So, how many times are you going to die on me?
Shepard: That's the last if I have anything to say about it.
Ashley: You never told me what happened up there?
Shepard: Eh... I'd rather not. I'm not sure if I even believe it happened. For all I know it could have been one last ditch attempt to indoctrinate me.
Ashley: That's a horrifying possibility, but since you aren't a gibbering, mindless wreak like most other victims we've seen, lets say they failed.
Shepard: Happily. Even if they did succeed, it's not like there are giant space killer-squids to order me around anymore, is there?
Ashley: As I recall, you've never liked taking orders Skipper.
Shepard: Only if they're from you.
Ashley: I told you to stay alive and come back to me.
Shepard: And that's exactly what I did.
Ashley: I said 'stay alive'! Not 'get crippled'!
Shepard: Shoulder! Shoulder! Ow! Damn it Ash.
Ashley: And you deserve every bit of that! That's for scaring the hell out of me!
Shepard: I'm sorry... *cute pout.*
Ashley: *trying not to chuckle.* Stop it. Its really hard to stay angry at you when you're on painkillers.
Shepard: Ah, yes. Well. I was honestly expecting them not to work. I swear to god, having a cybernetically enhanced immune system freaking sucks. I can't get drunk! And more over, I can't get hung over. I actually miss my goddamned hangovers!
Ashley: Awwh. There there, my poor Skipper. And you're avoiding my question.
Shepard: *Sigh* I-its a long story. How about I focus on getting out of here and into rehab, then I can tell you the whole damned thing?
Ashley: That's fine, Skipper. Whatever you want. Now, eat your apple.
Shepard: Yes ma'am.

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:12 .

[Spitfire017]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

@BE: Its that we defend Ashley, our favorite character. To do that, we have to understand her character, her motivations and her place in the game. This is something that many cannot or refuse to do.

Yeah, but this dude is supposed to have romanced Ash... And he thinks she doesn't trust him.

I don't want to insult the guy but... You know? lol

And for the love of god no. Ashley wouldn't do a pin-up spread. Ever.

Not even for Shepard.

Thats why I asked him for a response. Most likely won't get one though.

[BadExamp1e]

Aurora313 wrote...

*in hospital. Shepard's counscious but not mobile. Ash is peeling an apple for him.*

Ashley: So, how many times are you going to die on me?
Shepard: That's the last if I have anything to say about it.
Ashley: You never told me what happened up there?
Shepard: Eh... I'd rather not. I'm not sure if I even believe it happened. For all I know it could have been one last ditch attempt to indoctrinate me.
Ashley: That's a horrifying possibility, but since you aren't a gibbering, mindless wreak like most other victims we've seen, lets say they failed.
Shepard: Happily. Even if they did succeed, it's not like there are giant space killer-squids to order me around anymore, is there?
Ashley: As I recall, you've never liked taking orders Skipper.
Shepard: Only if they're from you.
Ashley: I told you to stay alive and come back to me.
Shepard: And that's exactly what I did.
Ashley: I said 'stay alive'! Not 'get crippled'!
Shepard: Shoulder! Shoulder! Ow! Damn it Ash.
Ashley: And you deserve every bit of that! That's for scaring the hell out of me!
Shepard: I'm sorry... *cute pout.*
Ashley: *trying not to chuckle.* Stop it. Its really hard to stay angry at you when you're on painkillers.
Shepard: Ah, yes. Well. I was honestly expecting them not to work. I swear to god, having a cybernetically enhanced immune system freaking sucks. I can't get drunk! And more over, I can't get hung over. I actually miss my goddamned hangovers!
Ashley: Awwh. There there, my poor Skipper. And you're avoiding my question.
Shepard: *Sigh* I-its a long story. How about I focus on getting out of here and into rehab, then we can talk about it.
Ashley: That's fine, Skipper. Whatever you want. Now, eat your apple.
Shepard: Yes ma'am.

If a woman peels an apple for you - she's the one.

[M. Hanky]

Spitfire017 wrote...

@Hanky: Did she survive the coup standoff? Did she aim her gun at Udina? If she did, she trusts Shepard. so, her whole refusal to trust Shep is wrong. I repeat...wrong.

If she didn't, then it is the players fault or he wanted to kill her in the first place.

trust me, i did everything right with ash and have even completed the romance with her a time or two in ME3, it just annoys the crap out of me that it takes that much time and mistrust to get her to be reasonable and stuff.

EDIT: sorry for not responding to your annoyed response earlier... I don't live my life on the forums

Modifié par M. Hanky, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:22 .

[Spitfire017]

@Hanky: What? I wasn't annoyed. But, Ive seen trolls who pull that type of stuff before....post something similar to what you posted. Just wanted to be sure.
And I don't live my life on the forums either buddy.

Did you enjoy the hospitable scenes?

Modifié par Spitfire017, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .

[Spitfire017]

Td1984 wrote...

I think I'd like one that has her "why is it that when someone says 'with all due respect,' they really mean 'kiss my ***'?" line. Of course, due to language issues, if they did a shirt for Ash, that would likely be the last one they'd use.

Here you go:
www.cafepress.com/mf/54097985/kiss-my-ass_tshirt

[BadExamp1e]

@Hanky; Ashley has been reasonable and respectful since you first bumped into her in the hallway, mate. Depite you keeping her in the dark for three years, working for known terrorists, and killing 300,000 innocents.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .

[M. Hanky]

BadExamp1e wrote...

@Hanky; Ashley has been reasonable and respectful since you first bumped into her in the hallway, mate. Depite you keeping her in the dark for three years, working for known terrorists, and killing 300,000 innocents.

yeah, but I just feel that she should trust me and stuff. I mean, it's not like Tali or Liara mistrusted shep like that or anything. IDK, it just takes too long for the rekindling of the relationship to happen with her for me. Not a troll, don't hate ash or anything, and i don't blame writers or anything because it does go with her character I guess. Don't get me wrong, there are still a lot of things about ash and her interactions that I like, I just get a little miffed at her in general for the amount of mistrust that she exhibits.

[Spitfire017]

Well Hanky, for us:

Yes, I have some problem with her questioning Shepard. (I was annoyed the first time I played ME3). But I can see past her flaws cause to me she will always be worth it.

[DWH1982]

I like Ash because she doesn't just trust Shepard off the bat.

She's more like a real person. It doesn't make any sense for Tali to just "trust" Shepard when he shows up with Cerberus, especially after how Cerberus attacked the Migrant Fleet .The fact that the other characters just shrug off his new affiliation and blindly follow him make them seem like they can't be bothered to think for themselves.

[BadExamp1e]

@Hanky; What mistrust exactly? I felt it was more confusion, more than anything. In the hospital, Ashley says "case-closed" she got some answers, and she understands more now. That's it. She MORE than proved her trust during the coup, when she was in charge of the councilors' lives.

You can't exactly compare Ashley with those two. Liara always knew Shepard was coming back, and was working for Cerberus. However, Ashley didn't. She was heartbroken when Shepard died, Tali wasn't anywhere near to that degree.



At the end of the day, my Shepard would do everything in his power to work it out with someone he loves.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .

[Spitfire017]

For Garrus its more like Shepard offered the only way for him to get off Omega, where he was about to die. He also gets badly injured, which means hes stuck on the Normandy with no place else to go. So, Shepard saved his life. Now Garrus owes a debt.

[BadExamp1e]

True enough. Garrus had really no option. As you said, he had nowhere to go. If he stayed, he would die.

But Ashley also let her emotions get the better of her on Horizon. What she sees in front of her, is what matters. Turns out, Shepard is actually alive, he's working for terrorists, and she hasn't heard a peep from him at all, so she reacts.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:13 .

[iHorizons]

Very nice dialogue Aurora but you forgot the pancakes

[M. Hanky]

BadExamp1e wrote...

@Hanky; What mistrust exactly? I felt it was more confusion, more than anything. In the hospital, Ashley says "case-closed" she got some answers, and she understands more now. That's it. She MORE than proved her trust during the coup, when she was in charge of the councilors' lives.

You can't exactly compare Ashley with those two. Liara always knew Shepard was coming back, and was working for Cerberus. However, Ashley didn't. She was heartbroken when Shepard died, Tali wasn't anywhere near to that degree.



At the end of the day, my Shepard would do everything in his power to work it out with someone he loves.

i'll be honest, i'm kind of getting convinced here, but I have to disagree with something you said. ash says "case closed", you're right, so I did have hope. but then she pointed a gun at me, and was all like, I don't know if i should shoot you or not. sure, she came around with some convincing, it just annoys me that she doesn't just trust him, that she has to think about who she's gonna shoot, me or udina.

[BadExamp1e]

M. Hanky wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

@Hanky; What mistrust exactly? I felt it was more confusion, more than anything. In the hospital, Ashley says "case-closed" she got some answers, and she understands more now. That's it. She MORE than proved her trust during the coup, when she was in charge of the councilors' lives.

You can't exactly compare Ashley with those two. Liara always knew Shepard was coming back, and was working for Cerberus. However, Ashley didn't. She was heartbroken when Shepard died, Tali wasn't anywhere near to that degree.



At the end of the day, my Shepard would do everything in his power to work it out with someone he loves.

i'll be honest, i'm kind of getting convinced here, but I have to disagree with something you said. ash says "case closed", you're right, so I did have hope. but then she pointed a gun at me, and was all like, I don't know if i should shoot you or not. sure, she came around with some convincing, it just annoys me that she doesn't just trust him, that she has to think about who she's gonna shoot, me or udina.

Ashley's assigned to protect the council. The most important people in the galaxy, leaders of worlds, and she's there last defender, last hope. She can't let them down. She can't make a mistake. She has to be 100% sure.

Without much warning, Cerberus suddenly invades the Citadel. When those doors open, she's expectng Cerberus holding a gun at her, NOT Shepard. So how does that look? Can you really blame her for having a moments hesitation?

"Wait. Why is Shepard here? And Cerberus too? Why is he pointing a gun at an innocent councilor? Why won't he stand down?"

For a brief moment it plays on her old doubts, but in the end, Ashley will take Shepard's word, in a remarkable situation. For me, it proved her trust quite clearly.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:42 .

[BadExamp1e]

PhoenixIsra wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

I like Ash because she doesn't just trust Shepard off the bat.

She's more like a real person. It doesn't make any sense for Tali to just "trust" Shepard when he shows up with Cerberus, especially after how Cerberus attacked the Migrant Fleet .The fact that the other characters just shrug off his new affiliation and blindly follow him make them seem like they can't be bothered to think for themselves.

IA, I think it's realistic that she didn't trust Shepard at first, but to me the problem is they pushed the point a bit too far, Shepard has to confirm he isn't with Cerberus too many times for my liking - Shepard should have only needed to tell her once and then the case should have been closed. I also feel it's easy to accidentally kill Ash  if Shepard isn't in a romance with her. I also don't like the fact that having Thane or Kirrahe around in order to keep the salarian councillor around is so necessary, I think the only downside to the councillor dying should of been loss of the salarian forces (if you had given the Krogan the cure) rather than it being a way for Udina to trick Ashley too. I felt like Bioware was making it way too easy for Ashley to die. I feel the same about Miranda, it's easy for her to die too. 
Sure, the showdown is an epic way to prove that Ashley trusts (or doesn't trust) Shepard again but it felt to me like Bioware was also giving players who didn't like Ash once last chance to get rid of her. The whole scene is one I try to get through as fast as possible because it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even though Ash is always quick to trust my Shepard seeing Ashley and Shepard pointing guns at each other just seems off to me

It's very clear Ashley wants to work things out and trust Shepard again, but her head is telling her no.

I think Mars and the line of questioning was totally acceptable. Ashley's professional facade slipped up in areas when she let her concerns and emotions get the better of her for a moment.

Considering the circumstances (Cerberus executing Alliance marines in what's supposed to be a private and secured facility with classified information), Ashley's wise to ask more than once. And keep in mind, she doesn't believe Shepard is the same man as before. For her, coming back from the dead isn't supposed to happen. That would probably raise concerns about Cerberus cloning him or controlling him in some form. They did have their paws on him for more than two years, and made him work for them.

Even so, she shouldn't just let it drop and not ask, because shepard *could* have had useful information about Cerberus. I don't think Bioware pushed it far at all with that. However, they don't really allow Ashley and Shepard to move passed it accordingly. That's what I have a problem with.

After Mars, my Shepard and Ashley were good.

In ME3, it's apparent that Bioware love pointless drama, and pointless deaths.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:58 .