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Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Alright, I'm curious and I want everyone to be as creative as possible.

How is the "romance confrontation" with Ashley and Jack/Miranda/Tali goingto go down? and no Ashley shooting either of the other two is not creative.

Well I hope there is no fight.  I maintain that some sort of cat fight would be classless and ridiculous and it might make me break my game in half and boycott all Bioware products henceforth.

Everyone is way too mature for high school bull sh*t.

At most it will probably be a "you're gonna have to choose" scenario.  But hopefully if you've already moved on from Ash she'll just give you the "well that sucks but hey whatever" and then be over it.

I agree. I doubt it'll be a "you stole my man/woman" confrontation, despite joking about it privately, I'm sure there'd be some snide comments from both parties (especially in the case of Ash/Tali) before the "time to choose" situation.


EDIT: Top Ash



Courtesy of jdlucky41 in the Ashley-M-Williams group on DeviantArt.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 07 août 2011 - 03:00 .

[Badpie]

Personally I hope they avoid that kind of petty drama like snide remarks and such. I think it will be enough to know that someone is hurt by it and then move forward. I seriously hope they don't turn it into one big ego stroking session for Shepard.

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

Personally I hope they avoid that kind of petty drama like snide remarks and such. I think it will be enough to know that someone is hurt by it and then move forward. I seriously hope they don't turn it into one big ego stroking session for Shepard.

That's the last thing we need. Shepard's already a Mary sue as it is. las tthing we need is people going to blows over her.

[Sepewrath]

Badpie wrote...

Personally I hope they avoid that kind of petty drama like snide remarks and such. I think it will be enough to know that someone is hurt by it and then move forward. I seriously hope they don't turn it into one big ego stroking session for Shepard.

Agreed, though I have to admit, Leliana and Morrigan arguing over the Warden in Origins is pretty funny, especially since the Warden doesn't say anything. Personally I don't think anyone should be worrying about their boyfriend/girlfriend when the galaxy is being burned down around them and their suppose to be the ones saving it. However if they must, they should express their "concerns" in private with Shepard, not on the missions.

[Badpie]

Sepewrath wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Personally I hope they avoid that kind of petty drama like snide remarks and such. I think it will be enough to know that someone is hurt by it and then move forward. I seriously hope they don't turn it into one big ego stroking session for Shepard.

Agreed, though I have to admit, Leliana and Morrigan arguing over the Warden in Origins is pretty funny, especially since the Warden doesn't say anything. Personally I don't think anyone should be worrying about their boyfriend/girlfriend when the galaxy is being burned down around them and their suppose to be the ones saving it. However if they must, they should express their "concerns" in private with Shepard, not on the missions.

Exactly.  It worked in DA but that's a whole different genre with a whole different feel.  Something like the ladies being catty felt natural.  For Mass Effect the characters are in kind of a working environment and they all understand what's at stake.  I think the whole thing should come down to one private conversation between Shepard and the person in question.  Sort of "I just want to get this straight so we can get back to business" sort of thing.

[ADLegend21]

[packardbell]

I really don't hope they 'barbify' her, I'd rather have an equal as a LI than a damsel in distress.

[ADLegend21]

packardbell wrote...

I really don't hope they 'barbify' her, I'd rather have an equal as a LI than a damsel in distress.

I hope they do, as it was said in the femshep trhead barbie has tons of carers that she's perfect at, she has ken followi gher like a love sick puppy, tons of houses cars, and expensive things and she has an amazing figure at the age of 50+. Barbie's hardly an insult to a woman as she does awesome things and looks good doing it, like Ashley.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Hey if Ash cheated   dated when Shep was dead, it's all cool, I totally understand. But if she cheated when she knew he came back, that's a whole different story. It basically confirms she couldn't give a damn.

But it didn't go down like that, so it doesn't matter. Ash said she couldn't lose him again in her email...meaning what exactly? She couldn't stand the thought of losing him again. See? The feelings are still there.

Feelings can be between Ex's but they aren't together.  Also she ould have dated after Horizon becuase Shepard had changed to someone she couldn't recognize. She works for a terroist  for petes sake so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we had to rebuild the relationship during ME3 even if we want it to just pik up where it left off, that'd be the opposite of what we want and that's character development.

Of course we're going to have to "rebuild" the relationship in ME3.... (aka romance Ash for a second time)...

why? not b/c she moved on or Shep cheated or w/e... but...

for the newbies... <_<

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Alright, I'm curious and I want everyone to be as creative as possible.

How is the "romance confrontation" with Ashley and Jack/Miranda/Tali goingto go down? and no Ashley shooting either of the other two is not creative.

Well I hope there is no fight.  I maintain that some sort of cat fight would be classless and ridiculous and it might make me break my game in half and boycott all Bioware products henceforth.

Everyone is way too mature for high school bull sh*t.

At most it will probably be a "you're gonna have to choose" scenario.  But hopefully if you've already moved on from Ash she'll just give you the "well that sucks but hey whatever" and then be over it.

I agree with not wanting a fight.... but for her to be all "well that sucks but hey whatever" ... that's WAAAAAAY too easy on the person who "moved on" ... *cough* cheated *cough* 

I hope for something like what Mr. Brainheart and MegaBad said....

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

But above all, I hope she's furious with Shep. and that she puts him in his place (Saucy =p). I would like that to be the end of the romance really, a woman like Ash would move on in my mind..

MegaBadExample wrote...
 More like a "How could you? I thought I meant more to you than that." line. That will make you feel like a big jerk.

I think Ash would indeed be shocked to see that Shepard was the type to be like... "oh well... I just woke up from apparently dying... where's Ash? Not around? *sees Miranda/Tali/Jack* oh look... she's hot... "hey baby, how yoooou doin? *eyebrow waggle*" 

She would definitely be hurt and give shepard a piece of her mind and then end it with the type of line that makes you feel HORRIBLE for doing such a thing.

I really don't want any fights or lines that make it seem alright or even encourage people to cheat (to see a catfight b/w two babes etc)

[Badpie]

I hope they don't "Barbie" her up as well.  I don't think they will, but I have been wrong before.   


[quote]elektrego wrote...


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Before Horizon, I think Ashley thought she had moved on but seeig Shepard standing in front of her, she realizes that her heart hasn't. The heaviness of the realization leaves her in an emotional and mental vaccum that doesn't allow her to listen to Shepard right then and there and only later on, after having some time to herself, she is able to see what Shepard is doing. This is how I explain the whole desaster for myself and it works for me.

[/quote]

This is exactly what I feel happened.


[quote]elektrego wrote...

So contrary to what I have said before on the subject, Shepard moving on to another LI in ME2 feels a little like cheating, because considering the circumstances they have never had a clear conversation about wether or not their relationship is over or not, especially after receiving the eMail and Ashley practically taking most of what she said on Horizon back.[/quote]

[/quote]

I disagree with the whole cheating thing.  There was a hard stop to their relationship whether they chose it or not - when Shepard died.  Obviously we're assuming that Ash moved on (I'm also assuming she started dating again).  You can't call Shepard moving on "cheating."  You just can't.  However you might be able to call it "in poor taste" because of the mess and unsettled nature of the Shepard/Ash dynamic at this point.

I know my Shepard, the first thing he thought about after the initial WTF of the Illusive Man and Cerberus and all that crap was Ash and where she was and how he could talk to her.  And then after Horizon he was kind of a mess.  

I don't feel like there's any real classy way for a Shepard who romanced someone in ME1 to move on in ME2.  Which if you think about it kind of insults the character he's moving on WITH.  Oh look, you're the rebound that I chose out of spite or lonliness because I couldn't have what I really wanted.


So I guess my pre-coffee rambling point is that Ash probably knows she doesn't have a "right" to be angry if Shepard moves on.  But she will be hurt.  That's unavoidable.

Modifié par Badpie, 07 août 2011 - 01:44 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

I agree that it can't be called cheating. I mean, Shepard died... From Ashley's point of view, the relationship is over. Whatever she's doing between that moment and ME3 is totes her business. However, I doubt that she has really started seeing someone else.
And Shepard can't cheat, because the game doesn't let him get close to one of the other LI's until he finds out on Horizon, that the ME1 romance is truly over. (in case he had any doubts hurrr) Now he's free to do whatever he wants with whomever he wants. In short: It's impossible to cheat on Ash.
But he shouldn't expect Ash to just take him back, if he chooses to do so. I would be very disappointed, if BW gave us the option to dump the ME2 LI, in order to get back with Ash. That would be horrible.

However, I don't think that starting a romance with a ME2 LI is just a rebound, or a form of post mission stress relief for Shepard. I believe that most people see the new romance as more than just a short time fling. I myself have Shepard/Miranda and Shepard/Kelly saves and they sure plan on staying together. I don't see, how that kind of behavior is insulting to anyone. (assuming Shepard has no intention to get back together with Ash asap and does not pine for an absent lover while being with another person)

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 07 août 2011 - 04:35 .

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

I agree that it can't be called cheating. I mean, Shepard died... From Ashley's point of view, the relationship is over. Whatever she's doing between that moment and ME3 is totes her business. However, I doubt that she has really started seeing someone else.
And Shepard can't cheat, because the game doesn't let you get close to one of the other LI's until you find out on Horizon, that the ME1 romance is truly over. (in case he had any doubts hurrr) Now he's free to do whatever he wants with whomever he wants. In short: It's impossible to cheat on Ash.
But he shouldn't expect Ash to just take him back, if he chooses to do so. I would be very disappointed, if BW gave us the option to dump the ME2 LI, in order to get back with Ash. That would be horrible.

However, I don't think that starting a romance with a ME2 LI is just a rebound, or a form of post mission stress relief for Shepard. I believe that most people see the new romance as more than just a short time fling. I myself have Shepard/Miranda and Shepard/Kelly saves and they sure plan on staying together. I don't see, how that kind of behavior is insulting to anyone. (assuming Shepard has no intention to get back together with Ash asap and does not pine for an absent lover while being with another person)

The relationship was ended by Ash's shock and anger and Shepard's stupidity at Horizon.  So technically, Shepard didn't cheat and neither did Ashley(if she romanced someone else at all, which would be natural since Shep was dead for two years)
Now that being said, it still didn't feel right to have a relationship in ME2, at least for me.  Not simply because Shep still loved Ashley, but because it didn't feel as natural as in ME1.  My shep can't wait to see Ash again, even if she is upset or in a relationship with someone else.(For the love of God Bioware, don't pit Shep against another character in a love conest)
But the whole seeing her picture scene just before the suicide mission about made me cry, and made me remember that Ash is still out there somewhere, still caring about Shepard.
And that Shepard still cares about her too.

[tomas2377]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Of course we're going to have to "rebuild" the relationship in ME3.... (aka romance Ash for a second time)...

why? not b/c she moved on or Shep cheated or w/e... but...

for the newbies... <_<

That is what I am most afraid of.

If that happens I am done with Bioware.

I didn't romance Ash in ME1 and stayed faithfull to her in ME2 to do it all over again in ME3. We should be able to continue the relationship that we have already built with Ash.

They can make a seperate romance path for the newbies (even though I don't like the idea for newbies to romance her in ME3. They should buy ME1 and 2 and start from the beginning if they want to be with Ash) but we have been here from the beginning. We don't deserve a kick in the gut like that. Aren't we entitled to continue our relationship with Ash? In my opinion we are entitled to continue it and not redo it all over again because of some newbies who don't even know who she is and who are going to date her solely for her new looks. That would be unfair.

We deserve better.

[ADLegend21]

tomas2377 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Of course we're going to have to "rebuild" the relationship in ME3.... (aka romance Ash for a second time)...

why? not b/c she moved on or Shep cheated or w/e... but...

for the newbies... <_<

That is what I am most afraid of.

If that happens I am done with Bioware.

I didn't romance Ash in ME1 and stayed faithfull to her in ME2 to do it all over again in ME3. We should be able to continue the relationship that we have already built with Ash.

They can make a seperate romance path for the newbies (even though I don't like the idea for newbies to romance her in ME3. They should buy ME1 and 2 and start from the beginning if they want to be with Ash) but we have been here from the beginning. We don't deserve a kick in the gut like that. Aren't we entitled to continue our relationship with Ash? In my opinion we are entitled to continue it and not redo it all over again because of some newbies who don't even know who she is and who are going to date her solely for her new looks. That would be unfair.

We deserve better.

And that brings to mind the David Gaidar quote:

"Those who say that the only way to appease them is by restricting content for others are the ones who deserve it least"

 You're cutting down the numbers of the fan base by saying "you just got here so no romance for you". There are some people ho have shepard's who wer by the book Alliance Soldiers meaning no fraternization, mutineers or not. so why should they be punished for playing by the rules eh?

Yes there SHOULD be different romance paths for a new romance and a faithful romance, I believe there ill be since relationships of all kinds are going to be way deeper than they were in ME2. Plus people who started with ME2 (like the PS3 players) aren't even familiar with her since they didn't get a combo pack of ME1 and ME2 just some lame comic that doesn't really capture Ash and calls Kaidan, a 32 year old man, and good kid. *facepalm* So ME3 is their first real chance to get Ashley for real and not just as some check mark.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

And that brings to mind the David Gaidar quote:

"Those who say that the only way to appease them is by restricting content for others are the ones who deserve it least"

He can say whatever he wants... but it's all about the money for them. Of course it will be open to new players (as it SHOULD be...)HOWEVER, it WILL be at the expense of the faithful for the same reason... money.

if not, hey... I'll eat that damn crow with a smile on my face b/c then, everyone got the content they deserve. 

I didn't mean to make this another argument/war ... just a heat of the moment post as I was catching up. I just feel strongly that the old players shouldn't be ripped off for the new players not to be left out. Simple solution... mutliple romances.

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

And that brings to mind the David Gaidar quote:

"Those who say that the only way to appease them is by restricting content for others are the ones who deserve it least"

He can say whatever he wants... but it's all about the money for them. Of course it will be open to new players (as it SHOULD be...)HOWEVER, it WILL be at the expense of the faithful for the same reason... money.

if not, hey... I'll eat that damn crow with a smile on my face b/c then, everyone got the content they deserve. 

I didn't mean to make this another argument/war ... just a heat of the moment post as I was catching up. I just feel strongly that the old players shouldn't be ripped off for the new players not to be left out. Simple solution... mutliple romances.

that would make no sense.  While you always want new fans,you never alienate the one's you already have. All this "bioware's gonna screw the faithful". Bioware isn't screwing anyone. that would be counter productive and bioware's never been counter productive.

[tomas2377]

ADLegend21 wrote...

that would make no sense.  While you always want new fans,you never alienate the one's you already have. All this "bioware's gonna screw the faithful". Bioware isn't screwing anyone. that would be counter productive and bioware's never been counter productive.

lol there is a certain Dragon Age game out there that truly shows us how counter productive Bioware can be.

I don't care what David Gaidar says. He has a right to his own opinion as do I.

Of course I will voice my concerns because I have seen to many video game franchises going down the drain because of poor writing or the sole wish to appease to new fans and leaving the "old" fans to rod.

Seeing how badly ME2 turnend out (story-wise; not gameplay) it is a fair concern on my part.

We, the faithful, should be able to continue the romance instead of redoing all the ME1 stuff. That wouldn't be fair you know. Just because some newbie wants to get ... by Ash (mostly because of her new looks instead of her character) doesn't mean that we long time fans and faithful should suffer for it.

If there are multiple romance path than I would be ok with it. I want to continue the romance not redo it.

That is my opinion and I stand by it.

[ADLegend21]

the DA and ME teams are completely different and I don't play Dragon age so all I see is people whining about not liking something.

the "faithful" should be welcomingin new fans with open arms especially sine there used to be days when it was the cool thing to bash Ashley and Kaidan openly. the more fans we have supporting our characters the better, it worked for Tali and Garrus, even though they aren't much better between games but they get artwork, merchandising, and wide spread love through the BSN. They don't turn away new fans so why should we because we're "faithful" we should set the standard for the new fans to follow and welcome their opinions, ideas, art, etc instead of shutting them down and saying "you can't have what we do".

[tomas2377]

ADLegend21 wrote...

the DA and ME teams are completely different and I don't play Dragon age so all I see is people whining about not liking something.

the "faithful" should be welcomingin new fans with open arms especially sine there used to be days when it was the cool thing to bash Ashley and Kaidan openly. the more fans we have supporting our characters the better, it worked for Tali and Garrus, even though they aren't much better between games but they get artwork, merchandising, and wide spread love through the BSN. They don't turn away new fans so why should we because we're "faithful" we should set the standard for the new fans to follow and welcome their opinions, ideas, art, etc instead of shutting them down and saying "you can't have what we do".

Oh... I never said that they can't have her.

- PS3 crowd has the comic to check Ashley as a romance (at least I think so) plus you tube videos of ME1 which means they can in a way romance her from the beginning.
- XBOX crowd has all three MEs available to them
- PC crowd has all the MEs available to them

I don't see a problem here. I know we talked before about it that not all players are hardcore gamers who are going to buy every game of a franchise but seriously who wouldn't want to play the other two games if they like the third one?

As an example: I have been mean to Liara through ME1 and ME2 because I can't stand that character (lets not discuss it here because this is the Ash thread). Should I be able to suddenly romance her in ME3? Nope. I don't think so. It would cheapen not only that character but also my decisions.

Seeing as how the games pretend that you choose all the renegade options if you don't  import a playthrough (just look at ME2 as proof of that) then that would mean that you would have been mean to Ashley too. It would cheapen her character in my opinion.

I welcome new fans with open arms.

[ADLegend21]

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elektrego wrote...

I love these pics elektrego!

[Mr. Brainheart]

If I lookat the time span in which the game is made, there won't be seperate romances for veterans and new guys.actually seperate romance would be rather nonsensical, since it's still the same story. So yeah, I always like to think they'll go for the middle ground, we veterans won't be fully pleased, nor fully dissapointed and the same goes for newcomers.

After Mass effect 2 though any Ash is good..which, now I think about it is awfully easy for the writers...It's definitely a conspiracy, the writers couldn't properly wright Ash, so they lowered are expectations..Evil!