Many are, but she's moreso than, say, my Shepard.If she is, so is everyone.
ME3 can prove this wrong, in the ultimate union of all species (except the raloi and yahg, I suppose) to help save Earth.She's not speciesist, she has a working understanding of politics and how various groups will treat each other in times of crisis. She's well aware that other species, though our allies now, will value their own before us someday.
This understanding apparently is something most ME fans lack.
krukow wrote...
"I can't tell the animals from the aliens"
Okay, she's a little speciesist at the start,but she changes! It's called an arc...
Modifié par CptData, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .
CptData wrote...
krukow wrote...
"I can't tell the animals from the aliens"
Okay, she's a little speciesist at the start,but she changes! It's called an arc...
That line was bugged. It was intended to be played one time when looking at a keeper. Also the Hanar and the Elcor look closer to an animal than a humanoid - regardless if they're intelligent. First impression.
But it's really funny how people reduce a fully fleshed out character to one stupid line.
@Xilizhra
Best idea is to drop the topic. We Ash fans don't invade the Tali thread and try to convince ppl Tali is a racist.
And they served even at times of WW1 and WW2. Well, hard to find family where nobody served. But our army is not like yours. Sergeants may do whatever they want with private soldiers. Is it called " hazing", right? And we still have military draft. But anyway, my father hates all this military things. Too cool, too badass.
Modifié par CptData, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .
Xilizhra wrote...
ME3 can prove this wrong, in the ultimate union of all species (except the raloi and yahg, I suppose) to help save Earth.She's not speciesist, she has a working understanding of politics and how various groups will treat each other in times of crisis. She's well aware that other species, though our allies now, will value their own before us someday.
This understanding apparently is something most ME fans lack.
FahRENheit06 wrote...
I watched that too, and I think the "Ash does yoga" wasn't meant to be literal. The interviewer was trying to sidestep a spoiler by saying "She's in a higher place" and Kimberly Brooks was just teasing that meant Ash is "enlightened."Allstar27 wrote...
I just watched an interview with Kimberly Brooks (I think its pretty old) and apparently according to her Ash dose Yoga
It's cool that she was psyched to play it, since I've seen ME voice interviews where Jennifer Hale doesn't game at all even though she's probably voiced hundreds of games. Ali Hillis is funny though and seems to genuinely like her character and the ME universe.
- Ren
Modifié par Badpie, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:39 .
FahRENheit06 wrote...
I watched that too, and I think the "Ash does yoga" wasn't meant to be literal. The interviewer was trying to sidestep a spoiler by saying "She's in a higher place" and Kimberly Brooks was just teasing that meant Ash is "enlightened."Allstar27 wrote...
I just watched an interview with Kimberly Brooks (I think its pretty old) and apparently according to her Ash dose Yoga
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.Best idea is to drop the topic. We Ash fans don't invade the Tali thread and try to convince ppl Tali is a racist.
By the way, I believe half of the guys who hate Ashley hate Kimberly since she's black. Which makes the Ash-haters to racists. REAL LIFE racists ...
krukow wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
ME3 can prove this wrong, in the ultimate union of all species (except the raloi and yahg, I suppose) to help save Earth.She's not speciesist, she has a working understanding of politics and how various groups will treat each other in times of crisis. She's well aware that other species, though our allies now, will value their own before us someday.
This understanding apparently is something most ME fans lack.
No, Ashley is completely right. Each species abandons the others to their own fate and you're only able to unite them by solving ALL OF THEIR PROBLEMS FIRST. Seriously, Wrex was fine with letting the universe die unless he got his cure, and the quarians couldn't pick a better time to start their war with the Geth?
Ash was right on this one...
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Ash would kill herself?!Badpie wrote...
She did say in the interview we did "I would play as female, and I would want to have a whole thing with Kaidan. I would love that very much." Hehehe.
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Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.
FahRENheit06 wrote...
Ash would kill herself?!Badpie wrote...
She did say in the interview we did "I would play as female, and I would want to have a whole thing with Kaidan. I would love that very much." Hehehe.
- Ren
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.Best idea is to drop the topic. We Ash fans don't invade the Tali thread and try to convince ppl Tali is a racist.
By the way, I believe half of the guys who hate Ashley hate Kimberly since she's black. Which makes the Ash-haters to racists. REAL LIFE racists ...
BP93 wrote...
Man this thread feels like match.com or something sometimes. Some of you need to get out some more or something. LOL Bunch of whiners with mid life crisis' going on...
Then we would be speciesist. I accept that. In fact, I accept the fact that I'd probably be an enthusiastic **** if I grew up in Germany during the right period for it. We are indeed creatures largely of our environments.krukow wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.Best idea is to drop the topic. We Ash fans don't invade the Tali thread and try to convince ppl Tali is a racist.
By the way, I believe half of the guys who hate Ashley hate Kimberly since she's black. Which makes the Ash-haters to racists. REAL LIFE racists ...
It's because it's a misunderstanding of the flaw. She doesn't hate aliens because they're different, she distrusts them for political reasons. Which is understandable, especially given her family history.
But everyone just wants to take the dumb way out and call it racism, instead of trying to understand a dynamic character who's beliefs would very possibly mirror our own if we were in that situation.
krukow wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.Best idea is to drop the topic. We Ash fans don't invade the Tali thread and try to convince ppl Tali is a racist.
By the way, I believe half of the guys who hate Ashley hate Kimberly since she's black. Which makes the Ash-haters to racists. REAL LIFE racists ...
It's because it's a misunderstanding of the flaw. She doesn't hate aliens because they're different, she distrusts them for political reasons. Which is understandable, especially given her family history.
But everyone just wants to take the dumb way out and call it racism, instead of trying to understand a dynamic character who's beliefs would very possibly mirror our own if we were in that situation.
Yea, but how often does Liara get trolled exclusively because of her obsessive streak? Liara's obsessiveness can at least be interpreted as endearing and geeky, since we're all geeks here in some way. But it's harder to spin Ash's mistrust as similarly endearing and it can be easier to write her off as just "that alien hater."Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.
Liara gets trolled a lot, believe me. And I promise I'm not trying to troll. I like Ashley; it's why I saved her (well, that and the fact that I wanted to rescue the salarian team on the AA tower).FahRENheit06 wrote...
Yea, but how often does Liara get trolled exclusively because of her obsessive streak? Liara's obsessiveness can at least be interpreted as endearing and geeky, since we're all geeks here in some way. But it's harder to spin Ash's mistrust as similarly endearing and it can be easier to write her off as just "that alien hater."Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.
- Ren
Xilizhra wrote...
Then we would be speciesist. I accept that. In fact, I accept the fact that I'd probably be an enthusiastic **** if I grew up in Germany during the right period for it. We are indeed creatures largely of our environments.krukow wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that I hate Ashley by any means, I'm just intrigued by how many people vehemently argue against a relatively minor character flaw. I certainly don't deny that Liara has a certain obsessive streak.Best idea is to drop the topic. We Ash fans don't invade the Tali thread and try to convince ppl Tali is a racist.
By the way, I believe half of the guys who hate Ashley hate Kimberly since she's black. Which makes the Ash-haters to racists. REAL LIFE racists ...
It's because it's a misunderstanding of the flaw. She doesn't hate aliens because they're different, she distrusts them for political reasons. Which is understandable, especially given her family history.
But everyone just wants to take the dumb way out and call it racism, instead of trying to understand a dynamic character who's beliefs would very possibly mirror our own if we were in that situation.
Though "I'm no fan of aliens."
Indeed. It's not a serious case of speciesism at all, just a small amount for the sake of verisimilitude."I'm no fan of aliens, but I wouldn't join a pro-human group who's only focus in the galaxy IS humanity."
Xilizhra wrote...
Then we would be speciesist. I accept that. In fact, I accept the fact that I'd probably be an enthusiastic **** if I grew up in Germany during the right period for it. We are indeed creatures largely of our environments.
Though "I'm no fan of aliens."
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