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[BP93]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Why does this picture remind me of the old Hanna Barbera cartoons?  



It must be the art style...

It's Rosey and Jane Jetson..

[FahRENheit06]

Dannycni wrote...

I like the idea of Ashley being the new CO of the Normandy. She'a a natural born leader and a more than capable soldier so it'd great to see her taking over from Shepard after the Reaper war. I like you're idea even more Data that Shepard actually hands over command to her rather than just her getting it cause Shepard is dead. Good for Ashley, she deserves it

I like Ash-as-CO too. In ME3, she was certainly XO as my headcanon. I dunno if the Alliance structure actually allows the COs to give ships to whoever they want, though. I mean, in ME1 didn't Shepard really just get the Normandy because he was the first human Spectre and they wanted to give him a good ship to keep out of trouble? And Anderson stepped down intentionally just to make that happen?

ExorioN PL wrote...

Good morning Ashmancers. What's up new?


@Ren
I'm wainting for more Officialy Unofficial.

Workin' on it! Much more in the works than I'd planned, even. Huzzah for Ash.

- Ren

[Dannycni]

Am I the only one fed up with femshep talk about romacning Ashley? Clearly I am cause it's such a hot topic but I just don't see what the issue is. I have nothing against femsheps, that'd be stupid, but I hate all the complaining about not being able to romance Ash cause most people want yet another same sex relationship as if there weren't enough already. I completely agree femshep gets far worse romance treatment and should have way more options for male romances but turning round and wanting to turn Ash into something she isn't is not the answer. (This is also in no way a homophobic or prejudice statement it only relates to this one character)

If Ash was available for same sex relationship it would go against her character and it would be a huge contradiction to who she is and what she believes. I'm not coming at this from an extremist religous attitude I simply think Ashley is clear on her views and is not interested at all (Edit:just like Vega doesn't want to bang my male shep), it's another thing that makes Ash Ash and yea some of it probably comes from her religious beliefs.

Again I feel sorry for femshep players in regards to possible romances but romancing whoever and whatever you want isn't the answer just accept Ash would be an amazing sister in arms and a loyal friend to a femshep and would possibly view her as older sister figure. You can be close to and really like a character without needing to have sex with them.

Modifié par Dannycni, 12 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[BP93]

@Danny - I'm pretty sure Cortez wants to bang male Shep. I think you meant female.. lol

Other than that I agree 100%. Not everyone needs to be bi. Even the gay characters are strictly gay. Why can't there be a few strictly straight? Making everyone bi would just be fan service and not staying true to the character.

[Dannycni]

BP93 wrote...

@Danny - I'm pretty sure Cortez wants to bang male Shep. I think you meant female.. lol

 Yea you're right he does. No sorry I meant to say Vega, got confused between the two. Again that's VEGA NOT CORTEZ! *Brainfart detected*

[Ushanka]

Yes, Ash is not lesbian, it's OOC for her, really, and I'm happy with that. There is already big number of s/s romances, and it's still not enough for them.
You right BP93, that's stupid to make everyone bi in the Galaxy.

[Spitfire017]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Dragon_Claw wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Hey guys, LI tribute part 2 is up.

You can download it here, or, if you want, you can donate some small $ so it gets sent to BioWare.

http://litributebook....com/li-tribute

I just looked through this. And my goodness, you guys really put a lot of work into this.  

I don't really have anything to do with this, but I liked the first one so I simply decided to promote it here xD

On topic of Ash (to get this thread going a bit, its quite slow today)
Do you think she is more of a coffe or tea type of person?

Definitely coffee. I can totally see Ashley starting the day with a hot cup of java & a couple of pieces of bacon on the side.

I second this. From experience, soldiers thrive on coffee and Ash is no different. I can also see her liking bagels in the morning for some reason.

[CptData]

Errm ...

Ashley is pretty much a caffeine addict in my headcanon. She needs a big cup to get up and another one move down to the CIC. She -really- needs her coffee or she's in bad mood for rest of the day.

It's funny that Ash makes Shepard to a caffeine addict to - before both came together, my Shep rarely had more than a cup a day. Now he has three up to five cups.

[Spitfire017]

Dannycni wrote...

Am I the only one fed up with femshep talk about romacning Ashley? Clearly I am cause it's such a hot topic but I just don't see what the issue is. I have nothing against femsheps, that'd be stupid, but I hate all the complaining about not being able to romance Ash cause most people want yet another same sex relationship as if there weren't enough already. I completely agree femshep gets far worse romance treatment and should have way more options for male romances but turning round and wanting to turn Ash into something she isn't is not the answer. (This is also in no way a homophobic or prejudice statement it only relates to this one character)

If Ash was available for same sex relationship it would go against her character and it would be a huge contradiction to who she is and what she believes. I'm not coming at this from an extremist religous attitude I simply think Ashley is clear on her views and is not interested at all (Edit:just like Vega doesn't want to bang my male shep), it's another thing that makes Ash Ash and yea some of it probably comes from her religious beliefs.

Again I feel sorry for femshep players in regards to possible romances but romancing whoever and whatever you want isn't the answer just accept Ash would be an amazing sister in arms and a loyal friend to a femshep and would possibly view her as older sister figure. You can be close to and really like a character without needing to have sex with them.

Back in ME1, both Meer and Hale read from the same script. Those VO files were put into the game, and so it was very easy to mod ME1 so you can have a s/s relationship with Ash and Kaidan. To be able to romance Ash in ME3 properly (without the nose kissing if you've seen the video), they should have done something similar. It would have pleased a majority of femshep players who wanted to romance Ash, but it would sitll be unoffical. blah blah blah cost and time blah blah blah

We can all see how they handled Kaidan in ME3, turning him bi in such a awkard fashion, and I'm glad they didn't do that to Ashley. If anything those preferences should have been from the beginning.

[ExorioN PL]

I just saw in youtube all scenes with Ash in ME3. I asking myself "why the hell there is no more romance scenes?!". Come on, hospital was great opportunity, drunk scene too, mars. I hate Bioware for that ;_;

[BP93]

@Spitfire - It's no use arguing against those people. You're either one of them or you're completely against them in their eyes.

Pretty much the same in the real world. I'm a registered Republican and I can't tell you the amount of times I've been generalized by those types of people for that one simple thing. Its sad, yet somewhat funny.

[Arivael]

Dannycni wrote...

Am I the only one fed up with femshep talk about romacning Ashley? Clearly I am cause it's such a hot topic but I just don't see what the issue is. I have nothing against femsheps, that'd be stupid, but I hate all the complaining about not being able to romance Ash cause most people want yet another same sex relationship as if there weren't enough already. I completely agree femshep gets far worse romance treatment and should have way more options for male romances but turning round and wanting to turn Ash into something she isn't is not the answer. (This is also in no way a homophobic or prejudice statement it only relates to this one character)

If Ash was available for same sex relationship it would go against her character and it would be a huge contradiction to who she is and what she believes. I'm not coming at this from an extremist religous attitude I simply think Ashley is clear on her views and is not interested at all (Edit:just like Vega doesn't want to bang my male shep), it's another thing that makes Ash Ash and yea some of it probably comes from her religious beliefs.

Again I feel sorry for femshep players in regards to possible romances but romancing whoever and whatever you want isn't the answer just accept Ash would be an amazing sister in arms and a loyal friend to a femshep and would possibly view her as older sister figure. You can be close to and really like a character without needing to have sex with them.

Just going to address the bolded sections here:

Just so we are clear there are six same sex romances over all 3 games (and that requiers you to count Liara as a seperate one in each game). ME: 1 Liara only (no the consort does not count as a romance), ME: 2 Liara (And no Kelly does not count as it is completly left to the player to decide what happend), ME: 3 Liara and Traynor for FemShep and Kaidain and Cortez for MaleShep.

If Ash were to suddenly want to hop into bed with FemShep come ME: 3 then as it is it would be totaly out of character yes, just as it is with Kaidain and MaleShep currently, that said if she had been available in ME: 1 I don't see how it would have changed her character in any way (same for Kaidain).

Ok would you please like to point out when, where and how you get Ash to say she follows a religious doctrien/teachings and what it is because last I check all she did was exspress a belief in a single god and an afterlife and thats in, nothing that could tell you what if any religious doctrien/teachings she follows. There is nothing to point to anything more than Ash having a spiritual belief in a god and the afterlife and for all anyone knows thats as far as it goes. (And this is not intended as an Ash should be bi argumant I happen to be undecided on that).

Yes I would be perfectly happy with that as long as my FemShep had the option of expressing an intrest, getting shot down and then still being able to tease Ash by flirting with her (or even without the expressed intrest since that would still work).

[BadExamp1e]

Dannycni wrote...

Am I the only one fed up with femshep talk about romacning Ashley? Clearly I am cause it's such a hot topic but I just don't see what the issue is. I have nothing against femsheps, that'd be stupid, but I hate all the complaining about not being able to romance Ash cause most people want yet another same sex relationship as if there weren't enough already. I completely agree femshep gets far worse romance treatment and should have way more options for male romances but turning round and wanting to turn Ash into something she isn't is not the answer. (This is also in no way a homophobic or prejudice statement it only relates to this one character)

If Ash was available for same sex relationship it would go against her character and it would be a huge contradiction to who she is and what she believes. I'm not coming at this from an extremist religous attitude I simply think Ashley is clear on her views and is not interested at all (Edit:just like Vega doesn't want to bang my male shep), it's another thing that makes Ash Ash and yea some of it probably comes from her religious beliefs.

Again I feel sorry for femshep players in regards to possible romances but romancing whoever and whatever you want isn't the answer just accept Ash would be an amazing sister in arms and a loyal friend to a femshep and would possibly view her as older sister figure. You can be close to and really like a character without needing to have sex with them.

That's pretty much how I feel about it, too. It's OOC for Ash. The ME1 writers said, "It was never part of the plan." And I'm glad BW actually sat down and thought about it for split second that Chris established Ashley as straight, we know this, and it's obvious.

Those that complain I usually think this: "You want to romance Ashley? Go create a dudeShep then. Nobody is restricting you. If you want it bad enough - you'll do it." Or shallow guys want it because pixel girl-on-girl is considered sexy.... She's religious, and a tradionalist (and even at that, some girls are just straight. It's offending to think otherwise). I'm glad they stayed true to Ash, and just didn't turn her into another bioware bisexual. And I hate retconning anyway.
 
I don't think they should have changed the sex scene at all. They shouldn't have made it perfect for mods to place FemShep in. The scene was designed specially for Male Shepard and Ashley and the best part about it - is that kiss against the fishtank.  Besides, last I heard, BW doesn't support 'mods' so I doubt they had the modders in mind when they were making that sex scene.

FemShep doesn't need another lesbian option, she needs a decent straight option to fall back on, but she doesn't. And that's just insulting. "Go back and force Garrus to commit, or else you get nobody in ME3." That just makes it seem like the player made the wrong choices and picked the wrong love interest.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 12 juillet 2012 - 06:42 .

[iSousek]

ExorioN PL wrote...

I just saw in youtube all scenes with Ash in ME3. I asking myself "why the hell there is no more romance scenes?!". Come on, hospital was great opportunity, drunk scene too, mars. I hate Bioware for that ;_;

Well, that is a million dollar question.

On topic of Ash and her sexuality. I am glad they didn't make her bi for a simple reason. I hate when characters are 'playersexual'. It kind of breakes the lines beetween different characters and invalidates characters whose sexuality is at the core of their presentation in the game, like Cortez or Sam. I am willing to let it slide with Kaidan because i can understand that not everyone who is going to for the m/m romance likes Cortez.

[FahRENheit06]

@exorion: Yea, there were so many great opportunities for Ash and Shep, and 90% of them wasted. I'm about to beat the Extended Cut with my M!Shep/Tali save and it's so much more satisfying, even though Tali is absent half the game again. They concentrated effort into Tali and what little there was was quite adorable.

@danny: I don't really have any opinions on whether Ash should/could have been bisexual or not. If she was, fine. If not, also fine. I bet FemShep and Ash could have been a nifty romance option. I mean, Traynor and FemShep was all kinds of adorable. Hell, why not even Tali as a FemShep option, since our favorite quarian already hero-worships the Commander?

Where I get opinions up in my craw is using sexuality that goes against character development or, as someone mentioned, fanservice. It drove me crazy in Dragon Age 2 where they reintroduced the mage Anders, who spent most of Dragon Age: Awakening pining for hot babes, as a bisexual. Kaidan's switch also didn't feel true to the character. Granted, they introduced Kaidan in a much more sympathetic way where Anders just tripped and fell into it.

Ash as a romance option for FemSheps in ME3 would have felt similarly shoe-horned, and a disservice to those fans who wanted that.

- Ren

[BadExamp1e]

Aurora313 wrote...

Does someone have the Shepley Wallpaper posted a few weeks back, please?

Are you talking about my Shepley wallpaper? If so, here it is:

[BadExamp1e]

I felt like Ashley's scenes were too short compared to Kaidan's, and badly timed after the hospital.

I'll say it again, Ash got the short-end of the stick. She's got very little Zaeed-style dialogue, won't move around the ship like other characters, won't interact with other characters ect. I think we should have gotten something else after the date scene, or before it on the Normandy.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .

[iSousek]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I felt like Ashley's scenes were too short compared to Kaidan's, and badly timed after the hospital.

I'll say it again, Ash got the short-end of the stick. She's got very little Zaeed-style dialogue, won't move around the ship like other characters, won't interact with other characters ect. I think we should have gotten something else after the date scene, or before it on the Normandy.

And lacking in content and information. No matter how funny and cute her drunk scene was, what was the point of it?
What did i get from it? What was Ash trying to say, beside the obvious that she needed to let some steam off ? It was a complete waste of character budget. 

I randomly stumbled onto the Liara thread today and even there ppl recognise that VS got screwed over

Hers to hoping that the LI DLC hype and PP help improve on the situation 

Modifié par iSousek, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:20 .

[BadExamp1e]

iSousek wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I felt like Ashley's scenes were too short compared to Kaidan's, and badly timed after the hospital.

I'll say it again, Ash got the short-end of the stick. She's got very little Zaeed-style dialogue, won't move around the ship like other characters, won't interact with other characters ect. I think we should have gotten something else after the date scene, or before it on the Normandy.

And lacking in content and information. No matter how funny and cute her drunk scene was, what was the point of it?
What did i get from it? What was Ash trying to say, beside the obvious that she needed to let some steam off ? It was a complete waste of character budget. 

I randomly stumbled onto the Liara thread today and even there ppl recognise that VS got screwed over

Hers to hoping that the LI DLC hype and PP help improve on the situation 

I think that's what probably annoys me the most deep down. Three years gone, and not a single interesting story to tell, no information, no story, period.  

We find out that Kaidan has his own biotic squad going for him, Ash is just that hot chick who gets wasted. It's such a waste. Bioware stated that Ashley and Kaidan had the same budget - doesn't even feel that way at all.

Was Garrus and Liara's budget twice as big as Ash and Kaidan's or what? I have a feeling it is...

[Allstar27]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I think that's what probably annoys me the most deep down. Three years gone, and not a single interesting story to tell, no information, no story, period.  

We find out that Kaidan has his own biotic squad going for him, Ash is just that hot chick who gets wasted. It's such a waste. Bioware stated that Ashley and Kaidan had the same budget - doesn't even feel that way at all.

Was Garrus and Liara's budget twice as big as Ash and Kaidan's or what? I have a feeling it is...

Some of the time during the game it felt like to me that Ash and Kaidan were only there for fanservice and that Bioware didn't actually want them there 

Modifié par Allstar27, 12 juillet 2012 - 07:35 .

[CptData]

Shepard: Attention, N7 trainees! Today we have two special guests. Both are well known soldiers from the Reaper war. Any guesses? Yes, Lieutenant Mubasa?
Mubasa: Commander Vega, maybe?
Shepard: That's right. Commander Vega is one of the two guests. Another guess? Gunnery Chief Ellison?
Ellison: Maybe a certain Turian? General Vakarian, Sir?
Shepard: No, Gunnery Chief. It's not going to be Vakarian. I'll tell you. It's going to be Captain Williams. You heard right - the CO of the Normandy is coming here, telling you how to fight through hell and get out alive! Ah - my communicator tells me both are here already. Everyone get up! Welcome our guests!
*Vega and Ashley come in*
Vega: At ease, guys. We won't do the usual drill today.
Ashley: That's what the Commander thinks *smirks* ... so, you're the first class of new N7 trainees.
Vega: And I envy you. Sort of. When I got my N7 training, I had to face Reapers at a daily basis. Got a few scars and nearly died, but hey, you won't become N7 for nothing. Okay, just a few words about me: I'm James Vega - drop the rank, in the field it means nothing.
Ashley: I'm no N7 graduate but that doesn't mean I'm not able to teach you a trick or two. They didn't make me a Spectre for nothing, so ... watch and learn. Call me Ashley.
Shepard: In the war, my life depended a lot on those two and ... yes, Ellison?
Ellison: Are the news true? You and Captain Williams ... are going to marry? Isn't it against the regs?
Ashley: It is.
Shepard: Ashley is right: it is. However, we're both Spectres, and ... well, it changes a lot. Also we're no longer in the same chain of command, so the regs don't apply anymore.
Ellison: Oh, okay. Thank you.
Vega: Yeah, you in the last row?
Mubasa: Is it true you were the new guy on board of the Normandy?
Vega: Yeah. Most of the stories you had heard about me happened after I joined the crew. Is there anything you wanna know?
Mubasa: Aye. The regulations say, the CO should not leave the ship together with the XO or the third officer. But you were on missions quite frequently.
Vega: That's right. In very short words: most missions were too dangerous to send non-specialized soldiers in a fight. Especially the last operation on Earth demanded raw firepower and resilience. Shepard, Williams and I were the best choice.
Mubasa: So you put all on one card to get the mission done?
Vega: Yeah. It did work, after all.

^^

[scotiej]

@CptData, That was pretty cool. I liked that dialogue.

@FahRENheit; Just finished reading the newest Officially Unofficial chapter, loved it.

@badpie; Just finished your newest chapter, I really liked it too. It's good to have hope.

Modifié par scotiej, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:14 .

[BP93]

I come back from PT and the Ash thread is almost on the second page?

For shame, for shame.

[FahRENheit06]

@scotiej: Huzzah!

classic Ash ...with apparently a classic underbite.

[Dannycni]

Yea this has been a slow day.

Arivael, in the modern world where fewer people care about religion or sexuality I can see why it would be possible to say 'Ashley believes in a single God but who cares she can still be bi' but I would have to search pretty hard to find a God believing religion that agrees it's ok to be bi. Now some smaller sects may believe it doesn't matter but the fact is that if you have a belief in God and an afterlife then the chances are you won't agree with being in a same sex relationship and therefore it would be OOC for Ashley to turn round an be so. Or it would be awkward and forced like several people have said how it was with Kaidan. She isn't a religious nut who is completely horrified by that sort of relationship but she has a religious faith, I don't know what doctrine she follows and by that time in the future newer religions may have started but I would still find it hard to see them promoting God and homosexuality. Femshep could maybe try and be shot down like male Shepard can try with Traynor and be shot down but afterwards still have a friendship but, as Example says, if people so badly want to romance her then do a male shep play through. Why does every character male or female have to be romanceable?

Femshep doesn't need more same sex relationships, again as Example said, she needs some more solid male romances to have the choice with as Male Shepard has a host of female romances available. That isn't fair to femshep players but making Ashley something she isn't is not fair to her!