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[Seifer006]

too bad ME3 ash sucked.
I preferred the one back in ME1. Bioware ruined a lot of characters in ME3. Thankfully Wrex, Grunt were kept the same.

But Ashley was so annoying, sorry for those who are Ash fans ( I myself am) I just couldn't stand "the new Ash" in ME3

I have a review (click on my signature) of how I thought ME3 treated characters and their lack of character development

[CptData]

@ Seifer
Easiest way to accept Ash in ME3 is to use Ash from ME1 as template and headcanon all the stuff we're missing.

It's not the best thing, but still better than doing nothing and accept Ash from ME3 as she is.

Badpie wrote...

According to I think Mac Walters or Patrick Weekes a way long time ago when I tweeted the question at them, Ashley's writer in ME3 was Jay W, who first came on board for Lair of the Shadow Broker. But that person isn't listed in the writers so now I think I may be mistaken. I tried to find the tweet but couldn't. Sorry guys!

You were trying, that alone is okay.

I try not to blame Ashley's writer - nope. My current PoV is to believe BW ran out of time and could not implement all the dialogues for Ash. Given the fact most of her stuff existed in the leaked script and got cut in the release version, I think that's the case.

Modifié par CptData, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .

[Allstar27]

Badpie wrote...

According to I think Mac Walters or Patrick Weekes a way long time ago when I tweeted the question at them, Ashley's writer in ME3 was Jay W, who first came on board for Lair of the Shadow Broker. But that person isn't listed in the writers so now I think I may be mistaken. I tried to find the tweet but couldn't. Sorry guys!

At the moment I say trying to find Ashleys writer is trying to find a needle in hay stake but thanks for tyring anyway 

EDIT: Also did you mean Jay Watamaniuk?

Modifié par Allstar27, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:52 .

[BP93]

*Devil's Advocate*

Not good enough, Badpie! Keep looking!

=P

[FahRENheit06]

Seifer006 wrote...

too bad ME3 ash sucked.
I preferred the one back in ME1. Bioware ruined a lot of characters in ME3.

But Ashley was so annoying, sorry for those who are Ash fans ( I myself am) I just couldn't stand "the new Ash" in ME3

I generally chalk Ash in ME3 up to wasted potential more so than just sucks, like a lot of the game.

I only skimmed some of your review because it was a little too in-depth for my lazy, at-work, low attention span. But I agree that ME3 wasted a lot of time with Ash/Kaidan distrusting Shepard. Especially since that was sort of the theme and crisis of conscience Shepard went through in ME2, so Ash/Kaidan were kind of behind the curve in that regard; they were harping on something your player character already came to terms with and has moved on to bigger fish, like carrying the fate of the galaxy. Plus Ash/Kaidan's attitude kind of contradicts the email they send after Horizon where they meekly apologize and hope the best for Shepard. That email seemed like it should have been a segue to a conversation that never really happened, so Shepard and Ash/Kaidan were stuck in a limbo just for the same of poorly defined drama.

*sigh* ...yea. It's what headcanon is for. It's why I write fanfic to fill in the holes. Mass Effect has so many great characters, but it feels like they spent so much time introducing new ones rather than making the old ones work. Like Mordin said: it was harder to make the genophage work under existing limitations than just whip up something new. /geek


- Ren

[Seifer006]

FahRENheit06 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

too bad ME3 ash sucked.
I preferred the one back in ME1. Bioware ruined a lot of characters in ME3.

But Ashley was so annoying, sorry for those who are Ash fans ( I myself am) I just couldn't stand "the new Ash" in ME3

I generally chalk Ash in ME3 up to wasted potential more so than just sucks, like a lot of the game.

I only skimmed some of your review because it was a little too in-depth for my lazy, at-work, low attention span. But I agree that ME3 wasted a lot of time with Ash/Kaidan distrusting Shepard. Especially since that was sort of the theme and crisis of conscience Shepard went through in ME2, so Ash/Kaidan were kind of behind the curve in that regard; they were harping on something your player character already came to terms with and has moved on to bigger fish, like carrying the fate of the galaxy. Plus Ash/Kaidan's attitude kind of contradicts the email they send after Horizon where they meekly apologize and hope the best for Shepard. That email seemed like it should have been a segue to a conversation that never really happened, so Shepard and Ash/Kaidan were stuck in a limbo just for the same of poorly defined drama.

*sigh* ...yea. It's what headcanon is for. It's why I write fanfic to fill in the holes. Mass Effect has so many great characters, but it feels like they spent so much time introducing new ones rather than making the old ones work. Like Mordin said: it was harder to make the genophage work under existing limitations than just whip up something new. /geek


- Ren

ahh
you read the review. it is detailed, but that's why it matters:ph34r:

[Allstar27]

Anther factor that could come into play is that out of the 6 ME3 writers only two have been with the entire trilogy (Mac Walters & Patrick Weekes) and of the four new writers that came on board for ME2, only one of them was still around for ME3: Chris Hepler or maybe they just wanted pointless drama while overiding certain aspects of the character (like the email after Horizon) so they could have drama

EDIT: Sorry if this dosen't make any sense im just extremley tired 

Modifié par Allstar27, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .

[enayasoul]

Allstar27 wrote...

Anther factor that could come into play is that out of the 6 ME3 writers only two have been with the entire trilogy (Mac Walters & Patrick Weekes) and of the four new writers that came on board for ME2, only one of them was still around for ME3: Chris Hepler or maybe they just wanted pointless drama while overiding certain aspects of the character (like the email after Horizon) so they could have drama

EDIT: Sorry if this dosen't make any sense im just extremley tired 

I had no idea this is what happened.  I knew about Ashley's writer leaving.  Thanks for this bit of information.  It all makes sense now... 

[CptData]

The funny part is: Mac got promoted to lead writer since he was in the team right from the beginning. 'though it makes sense - if the good guys leave since they don't accept the new money giver's policy, there's a certain chance less good players stay in the game ...

No offense. Mac tried to do the best, but was too biased and focused on few parts of the trilogy. I'd say the same about Chris L'Etoile if Ash got all the content and everyone else lacks fluff ...

[BP93]

It helps to explain the decline in storytelling. Its no wonder the best arc of the game is the Krogan/Genophage...written by Weekes.

[CptData]

BP93 wrote...

It helps to explain the decline in storytelling. Its no wonder the best arc of the game is the Krogan/Genophage...written by Weekes.

The Geth/Quarian arc was decent to. The first drop in quality was the Thessia part and pretty much most of the last third of the game. So ... maybe they really ran out of time ... ?

[FahRENheit06]

Oh man, I just now realized how mind-blowingly disappointed I was in Thessia. I had been following the ME website pretty much up to the minute it transitioned from ME2 to ME3 and Thessia was one of the very first new locations revealed. I was super psyched because I really liked the asari culture and it woulda been cool to see some of it firsthand, particularly the commando military arm. Hell, they could have had a neat civil war after the Lesuss Monastery mission over pureblood-created Ardat-Yakshi being the first and most brutal banshee Reaper class.

I genuinely blame multiplayer for bogarting story resources. I'd rather have a deeper story for Shepard than another MP map.

...on that note, time to go home from work and play MP! Gotta get the most use out of my two whole days of Gold on Live!

- Ren

[Dannycni]

It does seem like ME focused alot more on MP than properly finishing ME3 or writing characters like Ashley. Must have been trying to make a MP game to rival Halo or CoD or Battlefield 3 etc. I think it's stupid to focus on your MP rather than giving the paying fans the SP game, story line and characters that they expect or deserve. Just think how much better Ash could have been if someone had bothered to write for her (being sarcastic incase it wasn't obvious).

[BP93]

Blaming the multiplayer for the singleplayer's shortcomings is illogical. The multiplayer was developed by a completely different branch of Bioware and was actually completed before the singleplayer was. Blame the singleplayer on the singleplayer division.

[LoneStarJedi]

Gotta agree with BP on this one. If the multiplayer component of the game had never been implemented, how do we know that money would have gone to the singleplayer budget? Same goes for the money spent on big name voice actors. They were, IMO, done to generate hype for the game, get some attention. Meaning, as much a part of the marketing budget as the development budget.

ME3's shortcomings are more the fault of being rushed and the watering down of the writing. Too much on BioWare's plate.

[Time Laspe]

I think I posted this a few pages back. I'm disappointed in ME3's multiplayer. I think I got spoiled by Halo's multiplayer. I understand that ME is considered a single player game for the most part, but I expected ME3's multiplayer to be a bit more interactive with other online players.

On the topic of Ash; I'm currently replaying ME1, and the quality of Ash's characters drops a considerable amount throughout the series. It's painful to witness. If I was someone who never played ME1 and started at ME2, then romancing Liara or Garrus is the obvious choice. It's painful to say, but it's true.

Sorry for the rant.

[CptData]

Well, Time Laspe - it's the truth.

A guy that starts with ME2 or ME3 won't even understand why people like Ashley. In ME2 she's calling Shepard out. In ME3, every second word she says has something to do with "Cerberus" and Shepard's doing for them. Redeeming features? Nope. Any other features that make Ash more likeable? Nah.

If I wouldn't know it better, BW simply dropped the ball on her as soon as Chris L'Etoile left the team. I'm kinda surprised she still had a quite decent romance arc AND was a full romance in ME3. Too bad BW really missed to introduce "full" Ashley on a similar level like Garrus and Liara. Same for Kaidan. Seriously - Garrus and Liara are designed you like 'em, 'though Garrus can't be romanced in ME3 without ME2.

[Dannycni]

Well BP that's true the SP was let down by those responsible for it but I think it's a bit of a coincidence how the more work went into MP the worse SP got. Personally I think it's quite logical that if more importance and time is given to MP then SP suffers. Look at CoD loads of people complain nowadays about it's SP campaign yet people love it for it's MP. Companies these days are wanting a great MP game so their customers will keep playing the game long after it's release and they'll forgive a poor SP campaign for a good MP one. (sorry off topic)

On the point of Ashley there's no doubt when Chris L'Etoile left her character declined and never really recovered. Ok in ME3 she does have some great scenes, once again I'd say they are some of my favourite ME3 scenes, but it is so annoying how little we get of her and how little she actually matters in 3. She was a great character in 1 and that's the game myself, and I'm guessing everyone else, feel in love with her and so to see her get shafted so badly afterwards is just gutting.

[Doofe2012]

Wow. I never knew the writing team had changed so much since ME1. All I really knew was that Drew Karpyshyn left halfway through ME2 and gave Mac Walters the role of lead writer. This explains why each game feels so different than the others, and why the parts in ME3 that Patrick Weekes wrote were the really good ones.

[DWH1982]

I don't really mind Ash in ME3.

What's there is generally good. It's just that there's not enough there.

[DWH1982]

Final Fantasy 13 Fangirl wrote...

I have a question, if you choose to shoot Ash in ME3 why does she tell Shepard that she hopes that the Reapers will send him to hell? That is not a very nice thing for her to say, that is also one of the reasons why are very much dislike her.

Yeah, you're right. She should say, "Gee, Shepard, I'm sorry I got in the way of your bullet."

You just f*cking SHOT HER. How did you expect her to react?

EDIT: Sorry, I guess you deserve more of an explanation than that.

Aside from the fact that it would be a natural response for anyone who just got shot, you have to take into account that, if you get to the point where you need to shoot her, it basically means you've been treating her like dirt the entire game - ignoring her in the hospital, choosing renegade options, doing little to convice her that you're not with Cerberus anymore or downright belittling her concerns.

Basically, whatever relationship you had with her - friendship or romantic - is gone, and she no longer trusts you or that you're not working for the terrorist organizatoin that's in the middle of attacking the Citadel when you just happen to show up.

Also, you know - you just shot her. I cannot stress that enough, and I don't understand why no one can see why that alone would be enough to make Ash hate you. Would you be happy with someone who just fatally shot you?

Modifié par DWH1982, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:59 .

[DWH1982]

Final Fantasy 13 Fangirl wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...

Final Fantasy 13 Fangirl wrote...

I have a question, if you choose to shoot Ash in ME3 why does she tell Shepard that she hopes that the Reapers will send him to hell? That is not a very nice thing for her to say, that is also one of the reasons why are very much dislike her.

Yeah, you're right. She should say, "Gee, Shepard, I'm sorry I got in the way of your bullet."

You just f*cking SHOT HER. How did you expect her to react?

Sorry I meant no offense to the Ashley fans on this thread, I was just asking a question that has been on my mind. I guess I can see why she would be upset since Shepard did shoot her, but still, she should have believed that Shepard didn't shoot the council member, because haven't Ashley and Shepard been through a lot together in the first game? Shouldn't Ash trust Shepard more?

I overreacted to the question, and I apologze.

I did go into more detail with an edit.