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[Aurora313]

Yeah, I'd say that the crew saw Shepard - especially Paragon Shepard - as a 'cool older brother' kind of figure. They wouldn't rat on him. Hell. Joker probably needles/teasing him about Ashley.

Re: Leviathan.

Since I'm not going to feed the troll, I'm not gonna buy Leviathan. But if someone finds/records a paragon/gade playthrough with Ash and not-Liara and uploads it to youtube, please link me.

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[sporeaddict101]

Yeah what i thought was, in ME the crew kinda knew but they all were loyal and were for it. Post ME3, i agree also, it gets swept under. And in the time of ME3 i thought that since they were both SpecTRe's that it didn't really matter and that's why it wasn't brought up. Also if that reporter you had the option to punch three times ever brought it up, my fully paragon Shepard would have punched her a** all the way to the terminus system. Anyone think that Emily Wong should have been in the place of Diana Allers? I would have totally welcomed her on board. I kicked Allers off my ship right after i got the 50 war assets (which is crap amount)

[SJNKD]

Has anyone ever noticed how their isn't much banter really when you're in the final battle?

I reckon I'll take Ashley with either James, or EDI. Since I'm a vanguard, I tend to not even use Javik or Liara, they both suck anyway. They both kept dying, I Couldn't believe it, same with tali though, she dies on Rannoch heaps.

Modifié par SJNKD, 05 août 2012 - 08:02 .

[Aurora313]

Youre in the middle of a warzone, you know the terrain, but your enemy is practically everywhere waiting in ambush. The slightest peep could alert them to your presense and bring down a batalion of merciful, mutated monsters who have no other purpose but to kill you. Me thinks that in a situation like that, being quiet is the smart thing to do.


(no, I'm not trying to sound condescending. Apologies if this came across as such.)

[BadExamp1e]

Data's away!? D:

That's it. I'm not coming back until my boy is back.

There. Now you'll all get peace from our joking around.

Have your party.

[Telepek]

You know i recently started playing another ME walkthrough, and i realized something that really pissed me, about Ash as her but also as a VS - before this she was a perfect character now she is just good.
About the problem.

At the beginning of ME2 we have the whole tragic Normandy blowing up into a million pieces and Shepard dying. Later in the Cerberus facility we are meeting with Joker and he says that after his death, the council basically thrown all the work that shepard’s done into trash – they announced that reapers was a myth, and shouted and grounded the team - so Joker obviously quit Alliance. Later we have Ashley on the Horizon and the whole "I don't trust you anymore" thing, and at the beginning of the ME3 we know that SHE GOT PROMOTED.

So what i am understanding - after the Normandy SR1, she coped with his death a little, then she returned to active duty, was ok with the Council decision that "the reapers are not existing", and played along with them, and for being "so much of a good soldier" received promotion? Are you seriously joking? I mean look at Kenneth and his history - a dude wasn't even in ME1 and after hearing that she was thrown away from the Alliance after "talking to much" and she was so blinded that "alliance is so good" that she did not even realised what was going on?

The worst thing is that i don't blame her as a character, i blame the writers for doing this to her. Because betryal is a very good topic for the romance with the VS [Do you want/ not want to continue this relationship after what he/she did to you] and they really don't touched this, hell thaere wasn't even a little "sorry for what i've done" when you are good with her.

And just for the record - i still like her, still think that she's the prefect LI for Shepard - but now she has some very serious flaws.

[LoneStarJedi]

Well, I think some distinction could be made between Ash being loyal to the military as opposed to the government. No matter what the Alliance leadership does, she probably wouldn't blame the military. Not to mention she and Anderson probably held the line, worked together.

As for fraternization, in addition to everything mentioned already, Ash and Shepard were in a unique situation. I figure the whole chain of command was a big 'ol mess, with temporary postings, people being assigned to the Normandy from all over the place. I imagine after Saren went down and things normalized, it might have been a bigger deal. But as far as I remember, Ash and Shep were never part of the same unit, right? They just served on the same ship. He was her superior, but I don't know if he was ever actually considered her commanding officer. Whatever, my head's starting to hurt so I'll just chalk it up to Shepard being it's own badass rank, with all kinds of fun priveledges.

It's realllly late, so I hope all that made sense

[sporeaddict101]

I don't think she would have accepted the council at all, and there really wasn't anything she could do about it anyway. She said herself that she wasn't over Shepard on Horizon. She had to go through everyday with the thought of Shepards death stuck in the back of her mind. Sucking it up around others, letting all her anger and anguish out on the enemy, earning her good performance and promotions. The adrenalin of fighting and combat would numb the pain, but only for a short time. When she was alone she withered at the thought of Shepard. The slightest sound of his name would send jolts through her heart, causing her to catch her breath. Crying herself to sleep everynight at the sight of her Shepard, love,.....Skipper's face burned in the back of her eyelids. She was hoping, praying everyday for him to miraculously come back and stop the pain.(sry for sappiness) In my canon that's what I think she went through over Shepards death. I do wish that she would have told you at least a little bit of what she did in those two years. And I'm sure she felt guilty, but I wish she would have said sorry at least.(sorry if mistakes wrote it on my phone )

[sporeaddict101]

It's really late too

[SJNKD]

Aurora313 wrote...

Youre in the middle of a warzone, you know the terrain, but your enemy is practically everywhere waiting in ambush. The slightest peep could alert them to your presense and bring down a batalion of merciful, mutated monsters who have no other purpose but to kill you. Me thinks that in a situation like that, being quiet is the smart thing to do.


(no, I'm not trying to sound condescending. Apologies if this came across as such.)

It's cool aurora, just found it odd compared to the rest of the game.

Modifié par SJNKD, 05 août 2012 - 09:28 .

[Igib]

SJNKD wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Youre in the middle of a warzone, you know the terrain, but your enemy is practically everywhere waiting in ambush. The slightest peep could alert them to your presense and bring down a batalion of merciful, mutated monsters who have no other purpose but to kill you. Me thinks that in a situation like that, being quiet is the smart thing to do.


(no, I'm not trying to sound condescending. Apologies if this came across as such.)

It's cool aurora, just found it odd compared to the rest of the game.

That's 'cause the same morons who did the original "endings" are behind Earth, as well.

[Arivael]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

As for fraternization, in addition to everything mentioned already, Ash and Shepard were in a unique situation. I figure the whole chain of command was a big 'ol mess, with temporary postings, people being assigned to the Normandy from all over the place. I imagine after Saren went down and things normalized, it might have been a bigger deal. But as far as I remember, Ash and Shep were never part of the same unit, right? They just served on the same ship. He was her superior, but I don't know if he was ever actually considered her commanding officer. Whatever, my head's starting to hurt so I'll just chalk it up to Shepard being it's own badass rank, with all kinds of fun priveledges.

It's realllly late, so I hope all that made sense

Well I fail to see why when Shepard is a Spectre and does not have to take orders from the Alliance he would still be subject to their regulations (ok I have an issue with him still being an Alliance officer at all after being made a Spectre as it makes no sense story wise), As for Ash I think that it would be looked down upon by her superiors if she slept with her commander but given that 1. There all idiots anyway and 2. She's already been held back quite a bit for no good reason I don't think she would care, besides which nothing that would be against regs happens until after they still the ship anyway. 

[Sifr]

Arivael wrote...

LoneStarJedi wrote...

As for fraternization, in addition to everything mentioned already, Ash and Shepard were in a unique situation. I figure the whole chain of command was a big 'ol mess, with temporary postings, people being assigned to the Normandy from all over the place. I imagine after Saren went down and things normalized, it might have been a bigger deal. But as far as I remember, Ash and Shep were never part of the same unit, right? They just served on the same ship. He was her superior, but I don't know if he was ever actually considered her commanding officer. Whatever, my head's starting to hurt so I'll just chalk it up to Shepard being it's own badass rank, with all kinds of fun priveledges.

It's realllly late, so I hope all that made sense

Well I fail to see why when Shepard is a Spectre and does not have to take orders from the Alliance he would still be subject to their regulations (ok I have an issue with him still being an Alliance officer at all after being made a Spectre as it makes no sense story wise), As for Ash I think that it would be looked down upon by her superiors if she slept with her commander but given that 1. There all idiots anyway and 2. She's already been held back quite a bit for no good reason I don't think she would care, besides which nothing that would be against regs happens until after they still the ship anyway. 

Well, as a Spectre, it's made clear on multiple occasions that Shepard is technically above the law. Shepard knows this. Nonetheless, I can understand why Shepard still would defer to the Alliance since they are a military officer and have been for most of their life. Also its obvious that Shepard still considers themselves a Alliance Officer first and a Spectre second, since most of the time Shepard introduces themselves as;

"Commander Shepard, Alliance Navy".

In the case of Ash, I think that the only people who honestly figured it out were Hackett and Anderson, arguably the two most reasonable people in the Alliance, who would probably let it slide since being a Spectre, Shepard is technically out of thier jurisdiction. The crew also knew, but they're so loyal to Shepard, I don't imagine them actually saying anything.

[Aurora313]

Shepard also states that at mutliply points - sometimes word for word: 'Just because [I] can break the rules to get the job done doesn't mean I should.'

He's a human and a marine first and foremost. Like Ashley is. The Alliance always came first for Shepard, even when trapped in Cerberus' employ. Alliance/marine interests always came first.

[Arivael]

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard also states that at mutliply points - sometimes word for word: 'Just because [I] can break the rules to get the job done doesn't mean I should.'

He's a human and a marine first and foremost. Like Ashley is. The Alliance always came first for Shepard, even when trapped in Cerberus' employ. Alliance/marine interests always came first.

And when his job is to safeguard all of the galaxy not just one part you don't see that as an issue?

[Aurora313]

... Yeah.... didn't think that one through...

[Allstar27]

Also

Aurora313 wrote...

Yeah, I'd say that the crew saw Shepard - especially Paragon Shepard - as a 'cool older brother' kind of figure. They wouldn't rat on him. Hell. Joker probably needles/teasing him about Ashley.

Re: Leviathan.

Since I'm not going to feed the troll, I'm not gonna buy Leviathan. But if someone finds/records a paragon/gade playthrough with Ash and not-Liara and uploads it to youtube, please link me.

If you want I'll stop posting news about Leviathan 

Modifié par Allstar27, 05 août 2012 - 12:48 .

[Sifr]

Arivael wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard also states that at mutliply points - sometimes word for word: 'Just because [I] can break the rules to get the job done doesn't mean I should.'

He's a human and a marine first and foremost. Like Ashley is. The Alliance always came first for Shepard, even when trapped in Cerberus' employ. Alliance/marine interests always came first.

And when his job is to safeguard all of the galaxy not just one part you don't see that as an issue?

Not really? Given how, the Alliance are the most pro-active people in the Galaxy, they're arguably doing as much to defend other races as they would their own people. Heck, once the Batarian government falls and the survivors begin a mass exodus, the Alliance welcomes them and offers them shelter, despite the animosity they have to each other.

As Garrus points out, humans want to save everyone!

Modifié par Sifr1449, 05 août 2012 - 12:54 .

[Aurora313]

Allstar27 wrote...




Also

Aurora313 wrote...

Yeah, I'd say that the crew saw Shepard - especially Paragon Shepard - as a 'cool older brother' kind of figure. They wouldn't rat on him. Hell. Joker probably needles/teasing him about Ashley.

Re: Leviathan.

Since I'm not going to feed the troll, I'm not gonna buy Leviathan. But if someone finds/records a paragon/gade playthrough with Ash and not-Liara and uploads it to youtube, please link me.

If you want I'll stop posting news about Leviathan 

Nah, nah. Keep posting, I just don't wanna feed the troll.

If the DLC was free and avialible to those who pre-ordered N7/Collector Editions (which I already spend $120 bucks on), then I would get it happily. If Bioware got themselves a new publisher and changed servers from Origin to Steam - then I would happily purchase it. But since that will not happen any time soon, I will not be purchasing Leviathan.

That being said, I will be piggybacking streams (so long as they have Ashley in them in some way or form.)

[Aurora313]

Sifr1449 wrote...

Not really? Given how, the Alliance are the most pro-active people in the Galaxy, they're arguably doing as much to defend other races as they would their own people. Heck, once the Batarian government falls and the survivors begin a mass exodus, the Alliance welcomes them and offers them shelter, despite the animosity they have to each other.

As Garrus points out, humans want to save everyone!

Its amazing, I dislike-boarding-hard some characters in ME2, but I can't bring myself to let them die, (in an ironic twist of fate the one person I want dead doesn't die until the end of the trilogy - and only if I'm incredible negilgent). But that mentaility of wanting everyone to survive is so engrained I end up hating seeing a character die. Even if they're a complete ass.

Hell, Saren for one. I know he was the bad guy, but in his core he believed he was doing the right thing. I felt sad when he died, but there was no other way to free him from the indoctrination. The Illusive Man however - he was like a human counterpart to Saren in a way. Extreme in his methods (in ME2) but deeply believed he was doing the right thing for humanity... though I felt more hateful at him because he forced Shepard to shoot their mentor/paternal figure.

[scotiej]

Aurora313 wrote...


Nah, nah. Keep posting, I just don't wanna feed the troll.

If the DLC was free and avialible to those who pre-ordered N7/Collector Editions (which I already spend $120 bucks on), then I would get it happily. If Bioware got themselves a new publisher and changed servers from Origin to Steam - then I would happily purchase it. But since that will not happen any time soon, I will not be purchasing Leviathan.

That being said, I will be piggybacking streams (so long as they have Ashley in them in some way or form.)

That would be awesome, get away from the evil clutches of EA. However, breaking away might force Bioware to give up their rights to keeping the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises. A bit like what happened with Bungie and Halo.

[SJNKD]

@Aurora, it sucks. Paying a 120 whenever you want a collector edition, us Aussies get higher prices.

But I'll most likely buy it, I'm taking every chance I can get before December to play games. It's when my baby girl is due, the Xbox is being put away... By her, so I don't find it.  
Also getting all the Ashley I can get as well before then as well. Still haven't decided on a name, which is apparently a bad thing but I keep suggested mass effect names. My girlfriend stuck duct tape on me for it. <_<

Modifié par SJNKD, 05 août 2012 - 02:00 .

[survivor_686]

Aurora313 wrote...

Sifr1449 wrote...

Not really? Given how, the Alliance are the most pro-active people in the Galaxy, they're arguably doing as much to defend other races as they would their own people. Heck, once the Batarian government falls and the survivors begin a mass exodus, the Alliance welcomes them and offers them shelter, despite the animosity they have to each other.

As Garrus points out, humans want to save everyone!

Its amazing, I dislike-boarding-hard some characters in ME2, but I can't bring myself to let them die, (in an ironic twist of fate the one person I want dead doesn't die until the end of the trilogy - and only if I'm incredible negilgent). But that mentaility of wanting everyone to survive is so engrained I end up hating seeing a character die. Even if they're a complete ass.

Hell, Saren for one. I know he was the bad guy, but in his core he believed he was doing the right thing. I felt sad when he died, but there was no other way to free him from the indoctrination. The Illusive Man however - he was like a human counterpart to Saren in a way. Extreme in his methods (in ME2) but deeply believed he was doing the right thing for humanity... though I felt more hateful at him because he forced Shepard to shoot their mentor/paternal figure.

Personally I abhoured Saren Arterius and TIM as well. Both are so damn self-righteous, believing that they alone are the solution to the galaxy's problems.

In ME1, Cerberus seemed to kill more humans than "aliens" (Seeding dragon's teeth onto human colonies, Rachni launched at Alliance facilities, luring Alliance marines into Thresher Maw nests, experimenting on survivors and finally murdering an Alliance admiral whom investigates)

In ME1, it appears at no point did Saren ever consider telling the Council of the Reapers (granted he may have been brainwashed at that point). Had he alerted the Citadel fleet to Sovereign's prescence, they could have target it and prevented the signal from every reaching dark space.

Both made mind boggling mistakes when dealing with the Reapers (if you're "partner" keeps trying to brainwash you, perhaps you should end the partnership). Both jumped on top of their soap boxes when confronted with the truth. Both dropped the ball, when the opportunity came to end the Reaper threat.

For both of them, I personally put a bullet in their heads (Saren for pre-huskification and TIM when the Renegade interrupt came up)

Everyone one of my Shepard's shoot Saren and TIM.

Modifié par survivor_686, 05 août 2012 - 02:42 .

[Ozzy]

I really, really like Ash. Well, liked Ash. I don't know what it is but she doesn't feel the same to me. No, it's not the new hair or the catsuit. It's a combination of her continually talking about her sisters as if I didn't know enough from ME1 and her talking so little about herself. Heck, I was half expecting to hook up with Sarah in the end lol. It probably doesn't help that her character writer left Bioware after ME2.

She was just so real in ME1 and such a deep character whereas she just seems somewhat cardboardish in ME3. All the power to those who still like and love her but for me, she's no longer my favourite squaddie.