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[Master Shiori]

elektrego wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

The rise to operations chief was most likely due to her role in stopping Saren and Sovereign

I thought, she already was an operations chief on Eden Prime?

Nope, she was a gunnery chief on Eden Prime and during ME1.

[Antivenger]

I for one was severely disappointed with her new rank. I mean, her name already pays homage to the Evil Dead series. Gunnery 'Chief'? Operations 'Chief'? It's even in canon that hardsuits have built-in VIs!

Turians are split-lipped lizards fir F's sake!

[Liliandra Nadiar]

elektrego wrote...

I see, i confused both terms, military ranks never have been  really part of my core interests and than there is also the lost in translation factor.

Eh, don't worry about it. Ranks in Mass Effect don't really follow 'real' military format anyways. (Former US Navy, so it some times bothered me.  )

[ADLegend21]

I think we can all agree that we're interested in seeing what she's done during ME2 before and after Horizon. It must have been great since she's a spectre now. And yes the Alliance ranks do not follow real life military ranks and they SHOULD have different ranks about 170 years into the future. haha.

[Unata]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

elektrego wrote...

I see, i confused both terms, military ranks never have been  really part of my core interests and than there is also the lost in translation factor.

Eh, don't worry about it. Ranks in Mass Effect don't really follow 'real' military format anyways. (Former US Navy, so it some times bothered me.  )

Bothers me also (Former Marine myself) and know there is a long process going from enlisted to officer in the military, Ashley always struck me as the "I just point and shoot" type, not officer material or mentality to be one.

[Oblivious]

Unata wrote...

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

elektrego wrote...

I see, i confused both terms, military ranks never have been  really part of my core interests and than there is also the lost in translation factor.

Eh, don't worry about it. Ranks in Mass Effect don't really follow 'real' military format anyways. (Former US Navy, so it some times bothered me.  )

Bothers me also (Former Marine myself) and know there is a long process going from enlisted to officer in the military, Ashley always struck me as the "I just point and shoot" type, not officer material or mentality to be one.

I'm guessing that in those 3 years she grew up. When you first picked her up on Eden Prime she was never in combat, never seen aliens let alone worked with them, and had something to prove. I'm assuming by the end of ME1 she finally matured enough to be "worthy" of being an officer.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I'm more of the idea that her prior COs to Anderson/Shepard sort of purposely held her back due to her family's 'stigma'. That she got to Gunny Chief when her father didn't says a lot about her skills if the brass was all but actively against her.
Following ME1 she's somewhat in the intergalactic spotlight and the brass is in the 'uncomfortable' position of having to reward her for her deserved skills or explain why they don't.
It's her Specter/Officer status in ME3 that's somewhat throwing me. Either the Alliance brass wants to 'be rid' of her and though 'giving' her to the Council would work, or the Human Councillor specifically requested them. (Can see Anderson doing that, but not Udina) As most likely they don't want an NCO in such a position, they 'gave' her the Lieutenant rank.
Do I think Ash deserves these? Yes, without a doubt. Do I think she got them because she does? Not so much.

[Raanz]

Correct me if I am wrong, but she was a Gunnery Chief in ME1 and ME2 yes? If so, I would have preferred she'd been promoted to Master Gunnery Sergeant or even Sergeant Major, staying in the NCO ranks....but in the grand scheme of things, I guess it will be ok.

[skcih-deraj]

Raanz wrote...

Correct me if I am wrong, but she was a Gunnery Chief in ME1 and ME2 yes? If so, I would have preferred she'd been promoted to Master Gunnery Sergeant or even Sergeant Major, staying in the NCO ranks....but in the grand scheme of things, I guess it will be ok.

She got pushed to Operations Chief in ME2.

[Oblivious]

The ME ranks work different than real life Marine ranks. She was promoted to Operations Chief in ME2 (think Sergeant Major) and was already the best of the enlisted ranks. Now she's a Second Lieutenant

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Mass Effect System Alliance ranks:
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:
ENLISTED
Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal (If I remember correctly, this is as far as Ash's father got)

NCOs
Service Chief
Gunnery Chief (Ashely's rank in ME 1)
Operations Chief (Ashley's rank in ME 2)

OFFICERS
2nd Lieutenant (Ashley's rank in ME 3)
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant (Kaidan's rank in ME1)
Lieutenant Commander (Shepard's rank)
Staff Commander (Kaidan's rank in ME2 and possibly ME 3)
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

[Badpie]

Unata wrote...

*snip*

Bothers me also (Former Marine myself) and know there is a long process going from enlisted to officer in the military, Ashley always struck me as the "I just point and shoot" type, not officer material or mentality to be one.

Yeah I always saw Ash as that exactly.  I think she'd be a good leader, but not by choice, which is why I'm interested to see how she feels about the whole SpecTRe thing.  Seems like something that she wouldn't have chosen for herself, but wouldn't turn down because she has a strong sense of duty.  Even if she thinks she might not be cut out for it because she's a proud "grunt."

[Funkcase]

Ash was a NCO in ME1, she has always been a squad leader, 2nd Lieutenant just means she will have alot more marines under her command (A platoon, up to 50 soldiers)

Modifié par Funkcase, 17 juin 2011 - 05:51 .

[ADLegend21]

As funk said she was an NCO. She already has the capability to lead she just has more to lead now. I also agree with badpie that she didn't set out to be the leadership type of person, but "A williams has to be better than the best" so she'll take the challenge head on.

[ADLegend21]

also, I just published a new chpter of my story. It has part of howI see Ashley being a leader during ME2.

Link.

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

ADLegend21 wrote...

also, I just published a new chpter of my story. It has part of howI see Ashley being a leader during ME2.

Link.

that story is awesome:D thanks so much for taking the time to upload it

[redbaron76]

With ashley by my side, all the races will be counting dead reaper hulls, my shepard and ashley leave behind.

[ADLegend21]

redbaron76 wrote...

With ashley by my side, all the races will be counting dead reaper hulls, my shepard and ashley leave behind.

Sounds like there'll be a contest. I wonder who'd win?

Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger wrote...

that story is awesome thanks so much for taking the time to upload it

Thanks

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

well, i'd say ash, 'cause she got a headstart from the whole clearing sheps name of genocide accusations affair:D

Modifié par Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger, 17 juin 2011 - 10:19 .

[McBaal]

I think in the beginning of ME1 Ashley was just another proud grunt. But she learned a lot from Shepard, especialy if both are in love. In case of a paragon Shepard he convinces here that aliens are not that bad, that losses during war are unavoidable and shows her how to lead soldiers into battle, no matter how the odds appear to be. So i guess the commander is her inspiration, and since we all know that she is a smart woman, she will make the best out of all she learned. And a simple soldier as a new Spectre? Cant think of that, so i guess her promotion is partially political motivated, even if she deserves it due to her actions.

To put it short: Commander Shepard is her love and inspiration. She is smart and talented, so she learns how to walk into his footsteps until he returns into the arms of the alliance...and into hers until the (bitter?) end.

Modifié par McBaal, 17 juin 2011 - 10:31 .

[Northern Sun]

Badpie wrote...

Unata wrote...

*snip*

Bothers me also (Former Marine myself) and know there is a long process going from enlisted to officer in the military, Ashley always struck me as the "I just point and shoot" type, not officer material or mentality to be one.

Yeah I always saw Ash as that exactly.  I think she'd be a good leader, but not by choice, which is why I'm interested to see how she feels about the whole SpecTRe thing.  Seems like something that she wouldn't have chosen for herself, but wouldn't turn down because she has a strong sense of duty.  Even if she thinks she might not be cut out for it because she's a proud "grunt."

I agree she wouldn't choose to be a spectre. I imagine it playing out somewhat like:

Ash: "Not sure I really like the idea of being a spectre, sir."
Anderson: "I know, but we don't really have a choice. We need a new spectre that humanity can look up to."
Ash: "Shepard's done a fine job of that, sir."
Anderson: "I agree, but we can't change the fact that the Council and a good portion of the public thinks he's a delusional madman who just blew up a mass relay. We need someone else to step up, and you're the best we've got."

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

i kinda think that after sheps aparent death, ash became andersons personal fixer, in that case her promotions would make sense, and she is only on horizon because anderson gave her that assignment. so i gather that after some 3 years of exeptional service as his right hand, its only justified that councilor/admiral anderson makes her a spectre

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I'm late to the party as usual.... but while I have no doubts that Ash would make an EXCELLENT leader in a suicide mission type situation (or any situation for that matter) ... there is no way she would be leaving my side on a mission like that. Other than if it was soooo important that I had to have someone I knew, without a doubt, would get it done... no matter what (like setting off the nuke on virmire).

My Shepard has been without her long enough and wouldn't mind sending Garrus as the other fire team/squad leader. As he has proven himself (in my playthroughs) on the suicide mission. He is one of my Shepard's best friends and he pretty much trusts Garrus with his life... so, anyway... Ash's role in a SM type situation would be to cover my Shepard's back.