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[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I'm talking more of an XO like Pressely was, standing at his terminal, doing nothing except being n command during ground missions. the only person my Shepard's trust to be XO is Miranda because she's an excellent Leader in Shepard's absence. at least until we see if the VS can show leadership on a similar level.

How do you know this? B/c she led a science team to reconstruct Shepard? Or b/c of in-game abilities that mean nothing? 

I think that Ashley is every bit of the leader that Miranda may be and more than likely a far better one. I believe most would see Miranda as a snooty you know what and wouldn't like her well enough to follow her (as seen with Jack and Garrus, if jack dies, on the suicide mission). We have evidence from the background in game that soldiers put under Ashley's command think she is a great leader. 

ToP Ash:


http://jdlucky41.deviantart.com/]by jdlucky41[/url]


EDIT: Crap! No one is gonna see my epic doilie post!!! 
hahahaha

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 25 août 2011 - 12:40 .

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I'm talking more of an XO like Pressely was, standing at his terminal, doing nothing except being n command during ground missions. the only person my Shepard's trust to be XO is Miranda because she's an excellent Leader in Shepard's absence. at least until we see if the VS can show leadership on a similar level.

How do you know this? B/c she led a science team to reconstruct Shepard? Or b/c of in-game abilities that mean nothing? 

I think that Ashley is every bit of the leader that Miranda may be and more than likely a far better one. I believe most would see Miranda as a snooty you know what and wouldn't like her well enough to follow her (as seen with Jack and Garrus, if jack dies, on the suicide mission). We have evidence from the background in game that soldiers put under Ashley's command think she is a great leader. 

ToP Ash:

/snip
http://jdlucky41.deviantart.com/]by jdlucky41[/url]

EBcause of he Suicide mission. She leads both fire teams to no casualties no matter if she's loyal or unloyal. Teh unloyal part speaks to her abilities so that even if she's upset with Shepard or worring about her sister she still gets the job done no matter what. Added to the fact that Jack hates her and Garrus doesn't trust her but they still do what she says when she's in charge. Granted Ashley does lead the STG units if she's witht ehm and Kirahee does, but they're trained soldiers who recognize a chain of command, everyone on the SR-2 recognizes Shepard's authority. Now if Ashley has people saulting her that aren't even on the ship or under her, then I might beleive she could be better than Miranda at leading in Shepard's absence, but that remains to be seen for another 6 months. *shakes fist at March for being so far away* It's nice to have respect for ALL the characters instead of just one.

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I'm talking more of an XO like Pressely was, standing at his terminal, doing nothing except being n command during ground missions. the only person my Shepard's trust to be XO is Miranda because she's an excellent Leader in Shepard's absence. at least until we see if the VS can show leadership on a similar level.

How do you know this? B/c she led a science team to reconstruct Shepard? Or b/c of in-game abilities that mean nothing?

I think that Ashley is every bit of the leader that Miranda may be and more than likely a far better one. I believe most would see Miranda as a snooty you know what and wouldn't like her well enough to follow her (as seen with Jack and Garrus, if jack dies, on the suicide mission). We have evidence from the background in game that soldiers put under Ashley's command think she is a great leader.

ToP Ash:

/snip
http://jdlucky41.deviantart.com/]by jdlucky41[/url]

Because of the Suicide mission. She leads both fire teams to no casualties no matter if she's loyal or unloyal. The unloyal part speaks to her abilities so that even if she's upset with Shepard or worring about her sister she still gets the job done no matter what. Added to the fact that Jack hates her and Garrus doesn't trust her but they still do what she says when she's in charge. Granted Ashley does lead the STG units if she's witht ehm and Kirahee does, but they're trained soldiers who recognize a chain of command, everyone on the SR-2 recognizes Shepard's authority. Now if Ashley has people saulting her that aren't even on the ship or under her, then I might beleive she could be better than Miranda at leading in Shepard's absence, but that remains to be seen for another 6 months. *shakes fist at March for being so far away* It's nice to have respect for ALL the characters instead of just one.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I'm talking more of an XO like Pressely was, standing at his terminal, doing nothing except being n command during ground missions. the only person my Shepard's trust to be XO is Miranda because she's an excellent Leader in Shepard's absence. at least until we see if the VS can show leadership on a similar level.

How do you know this? B/c she led a science team to reconstruct Shepard? Or b/c of in-game abilities that mean nothing?

I think that Ashley is every bit of the leader that Miranda may be and more than likely a far better one. I believe most would see Miranda as a snooty you know what and wouldn't like her well enough to follow her (as seen with Jack and Garrus, if jack dies, on the suicide mission). We have evidence from the background in game that soldiers put under Ashley's command think she is a great leader.

ToP Ash:

/snip
http://jdlucky41.deviantart.com/]by jdlucky41[/url]

Because of the Suicide mission. She leads both fire teams to no casualties no matter if she's loyal or unloyal. The unloyal part speaks to her abilities so that even if she's upset with Shepard or worring about her sister she still gets the job done no matter what. Added to the fact that Jack hates her and Garrus doesn't trust her but they still do what she says when she's in charge. Granted Ashley does lead the STG units if she's witht ehm and Kirahee does, but they're trained soldiers who recognize a chain of command, everyone on the SR-2 recognizes Shepard's authority. Now if Ashley has people saulting her that aren't even on the ship or under her, then I might beleive she could be better than Miranda at leading in Shepard's absence, but that remains to be seen for another 6 months. *shakes fist at March for being so far away* It's nice to have respect for ALL the characters instead of just one.

First off...

what's up with the blank post above? 

Anyway...
I don't count the suicide mission, b/c the player can choose anyone they want to lead those teams. Like I can choose Garrus and he gets both teams through each time... so he must be a great leader too? I believe he is, but people argue that he isn't b/c of how he got his team killed on omega. 

Same reason I wouldn't count leading the STG teams for Ashley, that depends on player choice. 

I'm refering to the comment made in-game in ME1 about how the soldiers put under Ashley's command praised her ability to lead and be "tough but fair". We have no examples of Ashley failing at leading, but we do have an example of her leading well. 

Miranda, likewise, we don't have any examples of her failing... but we don't have any of her succeeding either. Unless you count leading the team that revived Shep. Which wasn't exactly combat. 

Also, I never said I didn't respect Miranda. Just, not that big of a fan. (though I do have a Shep that romances her. lol)

Edit: Cue badpie or elektrego or someone with far more brain power than I to come in and completely destroy my argument. haha 

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 25 août 2011 - 12:52 .

[nitefyre410]

Honestly their both good leaders and they both Two women that if was under their command I would definitely follow orders and pissed them off Both Ashley and Miranda can put the fear of god in a person if crossed and I rather not.

Now on things did not know till 5 minutes ago... Ashley is a SPECTER... oh HELL YEAH... can't wait to reunite the old team of my Vanguard Shepard, Garrus and Her... Team: Get it done.

[ADLegend21]

Well a squad of Marines on a colony where nothing happens untila suprise geth attack isn't really much to go off of.I'm also going off of some of the crews dialogue where it's revealed Miranda reloactes someone's family just before their colony is attacked by the collectors. How the cerberus crew trusts Miranda and how Samara talks about her so well. A Justicar is impresse dby Miranda. I wonder what Samara would say about ashley though....I need her sage like advice!!!!! >.<

[Aurora313]

Complistic wrote...

Is it me, or when Ashley tried to pull Shepard's arm to help him up, he shrugged her away?

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

It just happens really fast, so it can kinda look like it.

IMO, I don't think so, Aurora.

[nitefyre410]

Aurora313 wrote...

Complistic wrote...
*snip*

Is it me, or when Ashley tried to pull Shepard's arm to help him up, he shrugged her away?

No sir the Ashley being the awesome Marine/Girlfriend she seeing  he was okay and scaning the area hostiles  seconds laters.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 août 2011 - 01:13 .

[KingNothing125]

That scene goes by much too quickly to make a conclusion of that kind. He barely looks like he needs any help at all.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Well a squad of Marines on a colony where nothing happens untila suprise geth attack isn't really much to go off of.I'm also going off of some of the crews dialogue where it's revealed Miranda reloactes someone's family just before their colony is attacked by the collectors. How the cerberus crew trusts Miranda and how Samara talks about her so well. A Justicar is impresse dby Miranda. I wonder what Samara would say about ashley though....I need her sage like advice!!!!! >.<

When does Samara say anything about Miranda? I must have missed this. 

Course... I rarely talk to Samara before I kill her off. lol

[nitefyre410]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Well a squad of Marines on a colony where nothing happens untila suprise geth attack isn't really much to go off of.I'm also going off of some of the crews dialogue where it's revealed Miranda reloactes someone's family just before their colony is attacked by the collectors. How the cerberus crew trusts Miranda and how Samara talks about her so well. A Justicar is impresse dby Miranda. I wonder what Samara would say about ashley though....I need her sage like advice!!!!! >.<

I think  Samara  would say Ashley in forminable woman, and would make a most devoted companion and not to get on her bad side

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Well a squad of Marines on a colony where nothing happens untila suprise geth attack isn't really much to go off of.I'm also going off of some of the crews dialogue where it's revealed Miranda reloactes someone's family just before their colony is attacked by the collectors. How the cerberus crew trusts Miranda and how Samara talks about her so well. A Justicar is impresse dby Miranda. I wonder what Samara would say about ashley though....I need her sage like advice!!!!! >.<

When does Samara say anything about Miranda? I must have missed this. 

Course... I rarely talk to Samara before I kill her off. lol

You Kill her off? Oh when Ashley sees that you let a murderous asari live she's gonna kill you and Morinth! XD ....THAT'S THE HOSTAGE SITUATION! Ashley with a gun to Morinths head.

Reeds Shepard: Let her go!
Ash: no! *blam* *morinth dead*
Reeds Shepard: no!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Well a squad of Marines on a colony where nothing happens untila suprise geth attack isn't really much to go off of.I'm also going off of some of the crews dialogue where it's revealed Miranda reloactes someone's family just before their colony is attacked by the collectors. How the cerberus crew trusts Miranda and how Samara talks about her so well. A Justicar is impresse dby Miranda. I wonder what Samara would say about ashley though....I need her sage like advice!!!!! >.<

When does Samara say anything about Miranda? I must have missed this. 

Course... I rarely talk to Samara before I kill her off. lol

You Kill her off? Oh when Ashley sees that you let a murderous asari live she's gonna kill you and Morinth! XD ....THAT'S THE HOSTAGE SITUATION! Ashley with a gun to Morinths head.

Reeds Shepard: Let her go!
Ash: no! *blam* *morinth dead*
Reeds Shepard: no!

Reed's Shepard: Why can't you hold me like that?!
Ash: *blam* *morinth dead*
Reed's Shepard: Oh well.... so, ya wanna? *eyebrow waggle*



*FIXED 

[ADLegend21]

Fondi wrote...

Don't the ME2 squadmates only really follow Miranda's orders because Shepard says she's going to lead? She volunteers, but Shep has the final say.

Samara only says that Miranda is a hard woman, and that she admires "that she keeps her [troubles] to herself, as it should be." But this line doesn't reflect how Miranda acts in-game; more and more she talks about her insecurities (watch how many times she says "father"), and by the end Samara would not admire that.

Miranda has no experience leading a squad; she does desk work. Your decisions in the suicide mission is supposed to be based on content that you see before it; Miranda shows no leadership ability beyond the other characters before then. And no, caring about your workers does not make you a good leader; this was what they tried to do to make Jacob appeal as a leader, and it fails. Ash was quickly promoted to Gunnery Chief before ME1 because of her skill, which I'm guessing is difficult for someone her age. So she has proven herself as a leader. We have more to merit a decision for Ashley to lead a squad than Miranda, whose qualification is that she's well-educated.

No combat leadership? She's lead several cerberus cells. She's practically the only one in cerberus that gets the job done. She's almost like a Spectre, "they give me resources and say get the job done". I'd love a line similar to that to come from Ashley's mouth when you ask her how she likes being a spectre.

Miranda's outstanding in combat, she's pragmatic, intelligent, and damn efficient as a sentinel.I hope they take Ashley as serious when they're building her for ME3. She's more lethal so she might specialize in sniping which would be great for my shepard's that wish to bring her and Miranda along on ground missions. Their banter SHOULD be amazing seeing as their both strong,intelligent, and kick ass women.

[nitefyre410]

@ADLegend

I always like Ashely with the Assualt Rifle and Garrus with the Sniper, While my Vanguard got up close and personal.

[KingNothing125]

The only person I trust to lead the fire teams in the suicide mission is Garrus. I don't know BioWare's motivation for having three choices... maybe they thought only having one choice would seem odd. But Garrus is the only option with any concrete experience leading people in a firefight. He's the only one who actually makes sense in that situation, even if two other people technically work also.

I agree with Fondi; we only know Miranda led the Lazarus Project. She never talks about being a leader in combat. The fact that she succeeds leading the suicide mission fire teams, even if she's not loyal, seems quite bizarre to me.

Ashley has combat experience even before hooking up with the Normandy, and as of ME3, she's a Spectre. That speaks volumes about her leadership ability. Plus, she's an Alliance marine. The Normandy is again an Alliance ship in ME3.

It remains to be seen how the ME3 Normandy power structure shakes out, but I think they should give Ash priority over any of the previous crew.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

KingNothing125 wrote...

The only person I trust to lead the fire teams in the suicide mission is Garrus. I don't know BioWare's motivation for having three choices... maybe they thought only having one choice would seem odd. But Garrus is the only option with any concrete experience leading people in a firefight. He's the only one who actually makes sense in that situation, even if two other people technically work also.

I agree with Fondi; we only know Miranda led the Lazarus Project. She never talks about being a leader in combat. The fact that she succeeds leading the suicide mission fire teams, even if she's not loyal, seems quite bizarre to me.

Ashley has combat experience even before hooking up with the Normandy, and as of ME3, she's a Spectre. That speaks volumes about her leadership ability. Plus, she's an Alliance marine. The Normandy is again an Alliance ship in ME3.

It remains to be seen how the ME3 Normandy power structure shakes out, but I think they should give Ash priority over any of the previous crew.

True, Miranda has never talked about leading successfull combat missions, but my guess would be that she has seen her fare share.  Garrus is always who I chose just to be safe, but it would make sense that Miranda would be a good squad leader.  She has worked dozens of high risk Cerberus Ops and has a cold,calculating demenor that would allow her to accel at problem solving and thinking on her feet.  Ash is also a tactical thinker and has loads of combat experience to draw from, and knows how to keep troop moral up.
Who is the better leader?
I don't know.
That should be on Deadliest Warrior or something

[Homebound]

who did you send with the stg/bomb and why?

[KingNothing125]

StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

She has worked dozens of high risk Cerberus Ops

She has?

[nitefyre410]

KingNothing125 wrote...

StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

She has worked dozens of high risk Cerberus Ops

She has?

 

I would hope  so she is TIM right hand... but then this is TIM we are talking about....  really Like her or hate her  she is compitent its all a matter of prefernce. I send Mira  in for the first Fire team, Garrus  Fire team 2... They  Both Handle the hold the Line  

[Ywasibanned]

I don't see why TIM's right hand would be sent on high risk operations. It would be like the Council sending one of their own to fight a Reaper.

[nitefyre410]

Ywasibanned wrote...

I don't see why TIM's right hand would be sent on high risk operations. It would be like the Council sending one of their own to fight a Reaper.

 


Remember this is TIM  , this man does not have the best track record and yes this what right hands are for...  Task that your every day minions can't do - you send the best and your right hand is your best..


Either way  back on   Topic.


EDIT: TIM's command record ranks up there with Cobra Commanders --- not very high

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 août 2011 - 03:34 .

[MisterJB]

Ywasibanned wrote...

I don't see why TIM's right hand would be sent on high risk operations. It would be like the Council sending one of their own to fight a Reaper.

High risk operations like...the mission to stop the Collectors? 
Also, you are giving TIM way too much credit. This is the guy who knowingly sent Shepard into a Collector trap

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 août 2011 - 03:31 .