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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!

Débuté par ADLegend21 , juin 13 2011 05:56

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Posté 25 août 2011 - 11:58

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Posted Image Femshep in Ash art that's not by me?! Sweet! Great job Brainheart!Posted Image


Posted ImageThanks! Femshep is indeed lacking in Ash pics...and since I've got some more pics of femshep now, if shep features in any future pic, It'll probably be femshep! (so get excited! lol.)


lol, if I put my femshep in art with Ash... Ashley would be constantly looking over at her... saying, "why does she look like me? ... Seriously, what the hell!?!"

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ToP Ash:
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http://lordess-alici...iantart.com/]by lordess-alicia[/url]

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 12:16

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yay Both VS'! hopefully Kaidan is in the femshep marketting. :)

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 12:55

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ADLegend21 wrote...

yay Both VS'! hopefully Kaidan is in the femshep marketting. :)


hopefully... not. :P

I want Ashley!! <3 whether it's with femshep or dudeshep. 

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 01:05

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Ashley had her turn in ME1. Honestly for all the complaining I'm seeing we forget that Kaidan has yet to see the light of day in Martkettingville. All the people who feel screwed in the Ashley fan base don't ahve to deal with character neglect like the Kaidan fanbase does, especially with how many times his name is misspelled and the "Kaiden's a good kid" line in Genesis. I'd think calling a 32-34 year old man a good kid is a major slap in the face to them,wouldn't you if they called Ashley "good little girl" ?

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 02:14

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So I've been reading various opinions and does anyone think it will be possible for Ashley to be exactly the same as she was in Mass Effect 1?

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 02:19

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ADLegend21 wrote...

So I've been reading various opinions and does anyone think it will be possible for Ashley to be exactly the same as she was in Mass Effect 1?


Characters that don't change are bad characters. 

That's pretty much non-refutable, which is why I don't understand the whole "Nothing about my favorite character better change or I'll kill kittens" movement that every character generally accumulates.  It's utterly bizarre.  As long as the changes are a logical progression and make sense in the light of the history and essence of the character then all is well.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 02:33

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Fly by Ashley <3.

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... er... :huh:

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 02:56

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Thank you ffor that lovely Ash bomb Fire!

Very well said Mackenzie, I'd think that it's impossible fr Ashley to remain the same after receiving promotions and then becoming a Spectre. Having the best gear, possibly having her own ship at one point, having the respect or being looked down on by the other spectres would do wonders for her character. I do still wonder if she still has that chip on her shoulder from ME1 since now, sa a Spectre, she IS the best of the best. I hope she's more level headed like Kaidan was in Me1&2 now that she's a ranking officer in the alliance along with her Spectre status. I'd hate it if she was as hot headded and rash as Garrus is.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 03:00

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ADLegend21 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Thanks brainhart. I figured I might as well fill in the blank we get for the VS in ME2. Plus Ashley as a Spectre is just too good to pass up from a writing standpoint.

 

your story,  I'm reading it right know you have peaked my interest   :D

I'm glad you're reading it. Though you've got a lot to read if you wann read it all.Posted Image

 

I'm a fast reader so its no worries  :ph34r:

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 03:42

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No combat leadership? She's lead several cerberus cells. She's practically the only one in cerberus that gets the job done. She's almost like a Spectre, "they give me resources and say do it". I'd love a line similar to that to come from Ashley's mouth when you ask her how she likes being a spectre.

Miranda's outstanding in combat, she's pragmatic, intelligent, and damn efficient as a sentinel.I hope they take Ashley as serious when they're building her for ME3. She's more lethal so she might specialize in sniping which would be great for my shepard's that wish to bring her and Miranda along on ground missions. Their banter SHOULD be amazing seeing as their both strong,intelligent, and kick ass women. Posted Image

Miranda leads only one Cerberus cell, the Lazarus cell, which after the turorial is limited to the Normandy. I don't read the extra material; I can only judge characters by what is presented in-game, and I know next to nothing about any other cells she lead.  But I think I see where you're coming from; Cerberus is very confrontational, and her line about resources might indicate she's been on these types of missions before.  That doesn't say she's good at combat. And cutscenes say otherwise. I'll compare one cutscene of Ashley to two of Miranda's.

Ashley's intro scene 2: Running away from two Geth Recon Drones, she dives on the ground, whips out a pistol, and in all of this rapid movement destroys both of those drones.  Then--noticing that more geth are coming--she finds cover and pulls out her more effective weapon.

Miranda Loyalty cutscene 1: Miranda and Shepard engage in a conversation with Eclipse guy out in the open (they could have used the car as cover, if there wasn't anything else); shots are being lined on them.  If you engage the renegade interrupt, she spends around six seconds firing around twelve shots into her target, long after he's become useless.  Somehow, the animators give the smg an alternate firing mode (one bullet per trigger pull), which begs the question of why she's using it on an enemy that close.  But she is at least holding her gun correctly

Miranda Loyalty cutscene 2: Miranda holds out her SMG with one hand against a target farther away than in the first cutscene, ensuring that she'll be less accurate.  She also does nothing in either of these scenes to ensure she and her squadmates are safe from gunfire, or at least to check for something.

Ash shows more combat ability in one cutscene that Miranda in two.  In Ashley's intro, she actually tells a guy to "get down," and pushes him down because he's not paying attention to the enemies.  Miranda's combat lines do not affect her squad in any visible way.  But that wasn't the question.  I'll accept that Miranda's passive talent is supposed to count for something.  I want it to. Other than a stat, however, the game does not do justice to these positive claims about her.

I also would love to see banter between them, for the same reason.  Maybe they could talk about Cerberus's logo craze.  I also love to give Ash the sniper rifle.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 04:10

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What you're forgetting Fondi is that Miranda is also a powerful biotic. If you're going to critic her for holding a gun with one had,you've gotta critqu Shepard on it too since she does it NUMEROUS times in both games. Also in that cutscene She lifts and Asari and tosses her across a large area. Ashley on the other hand is a pure soldier class and has to rely on guns and hand to hand since she's lacking biotics. If Miranda is out of ammo she can glow it up and throw some poor SOB through a wall with her mind. you're also discounting both of their levels of intelligence. Mrianda's incredibly smart and logical which also makes a good leader. She knew who was betraying Lazrus cell and fought through waves of mechs to cut him off before he succeeded. Ashley's intelligence has yet to be touched upon in ME1 or on Horizon, unless she somehow outwitted the collectors when she escaped her stasis field through being smart, which I doubt since the writers ahve said the fields work when the ship is around. This is why Miranda is the XO for life for all my Shepard's. She's made to be the total package. LEadership isn't about how well you fire a gun and kill things, if that was the case Soul survivor Shepard wouldn't evne be comsidered a Spectre since they just survived an attack by a thresher maw. the Maw doens't die or anything. I am hoping however, Ashley gets a chance to show how intelligent She is as a Spectre and we'll likely getit since the council doesn't give out Spectre status to dummies.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 05:25

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Hey Ash fans... I'm loving all the art and I really HOPE for a good Femshep/Ash friendship path... one of my biggest fears that'll be ignored in ME3.....*crosses fingers*

Since I play biotic Sheps....how do you think Ash would be if she were biotic? What class do you think she'd be?

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 05:46

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Ashley.... wih biotics.....I fear for everyone's life that isn't Sheprd.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 06:06

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As a serious answer though I can see Ashley being an adept. thought instead of having a psitol she'd get an Assault Rifle. her and my canon MShep would have some awesome biotic sex if they were both adepts too. Oh the possibilities......what were we talking about again?

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 06:11

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Cypher0020 wrote...

Since I play biotic Sheps....how do you think Ash would be if she were biotic? What class do you think she'd be?


vanguard.  there's not even a question in my mind. she is very much a no nonsence get'er'done sort of woman, proactive straight forward, tough.  she would make a fantastic claymore (or mattock)  vanguard, IMO.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 07:21

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On the subject of Ash's character progression, I'm all for it - as long as she doesn't become a completely different person.

Which is why the comics, Mac Walters has been writing, concern me a little. Only because it seems he doesn't pay enough attention to the established lore, when making changes to it. My two biggest gripes being his interpretation of Gen. Williams during the First Contact War & how Saren's brother died.
It wouldn't bother me so much if he did a better job incorporating both changes better, such as giving some sort of insight. (Badpie had a great explanation about info being purposely withheld on the General - which works for me, but the change from Saren's brother being killed by a human to Saren killing him was a bit too much IMO)

As for what class I'd think she would fit into, if she had biotics, I have to agree with jeweledleah on this one.
I'd say the vanguard's 'in your face' style would suit her personality best. Posted Image

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 08:48

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Spoken well, Makenzie.
I think Ashley's life has changed significantly since Eden Prime. It appears, that she finally gets the recognition by the Alliance, she deserves and her family's blacklisting seems to be no longer an issue. Also, Shepards death has left some scars, apparently regardless of romance, more so if there was a romance. There have been over two years of getting over this, becoming an officer, Spectre even, which we hardly know anything about. The timeline for ME1 isn't really exact, but the time we knew Ash hasn't even been a year, so not nearly half as much time.
For her to be completely the same as in ME1 would be unrealistic.
I don't really feel comfortable speculating about what these changes could realistically be, because one of the things I am looking forward to the most, is getting to know Ashley again.
I feel the same level of excitement for this as when a friend, who meant a lot to you and you haven't seen for years, calls you and asks you, if you want to meet up.
As long as I see the passionate, yet grounded, spiritually and poetically interested, yet pragmatic woman, with strong opinions and the tendency to be funny and snarky, that she is for me in her core, I'll be fine and even if they change some of that, I'll be able to deal with it.
Sometimes people, who I care about IRL, develop in a way over time, I don't agree with, but there is no writer, I can blame that on. It happens! This is my kind of realism and immersion and though I'd probably be going to rage, I'll never join in the Bioware hate, that will quickly erupt in such a case.

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Biotic Ash:
I once made a female adept, Selma, who never really liked being a biotic, but rather pick up an AR and be a 'normal' soldier. All the special attention biotic kids got, made her feel uncomfortable. She focused on 'barrier' and 'throw', as it is basically an enhanced punch.
When I made her, one of my working titles was "Ash as an Adept".
But i can also see her as the Vanguard others described, a real biotic powerhouse with a boomstick.

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@brain: Great to see you join in with femshepley pics, too, and a really nice one it is. I love the colors. Can't wait to see more!

And that's a wonderful ToP-Ash, reed, never seen it before. I really like it! Ah, the good old days!

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 11:05

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I wonder just what Ash will say or do when she discovers the role that her grandfather played in the battle of Shanxi. Not the story that she and the rest of humanity had been told. And I wonder - as Badpie said - if Williams actually had a hand in founding or funding Cerberus. I mean, man - that'd mess with her head. The man she depicted as a hero and admired turned out to have a hand in a terrorist organisation, the same organisation that attacked the flotilla and killed alliance officals yet brought the man she loved back to life...

I don't know about you, but I'd be messed up quite a bit if something like that happened to me.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 11:11

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ADLegend21 wrote...

As a serious answer though I can see Ashley being an adept. thought instead of having a psitol she'd get an Assault Rifle. her and my canon MShep would have some awesome biotic sex if they were both adepts too. Oh the possibilities......what were we talking about again?

 

Ashley  as with biotics - I can only see  her as a Vanguard  Tag team charges,  hit em   high, hit em low.   Well I  my  Shepards is a  Vanguard   so I might be a ... little biased. Just a little.... maybe. 

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 11:18

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I believe Ash would be vanguard, jump in, hit hard, run into next room, rinse and repeat. Kinda suits her.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 11:24

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Aurora313 wrote...

I wonder just what Ash will say or do when she discovers the role that her grandfather played in the battle of Shanxi. Not the story that she and the rest of humanity had been told. And I wonder - as Badpie said - if Williams actually had a hand in founding or funding Cerberus. I mean, man - that'd mess with her head. The man she depicted as a hero and admired turned out to have a hand in a terrorist organisation, the same organisation that attacked the flotilla and killed alliance officals yet brought the man she loved back to life...

I don't know about you, but I'd be messed up quite a bit if something like that happened to me.


When I was thinking about Horizon the other day, I had the idea, that Ash might know the truth about her grandfather already and this was the main reason, she wasn't really willing to hear any of Shepard's explanations on Horizon as she was still dealing with her grandfather having been buddies with TIM, maybe even having a hand in founding Cerberus.
I even considered that maybe TIM approached her with the truth, trying to persuade her to join Cerberus as well at some point during the two years they tried to rebuild Shepard, not telling her about that of course.

I wanted to think this through, before sharing it, but since you brought it up, I am throwing it in there in its raw form.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 12:04

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elektrego wrote...

When I was thinking about Horizon the other day, I had the idea, that Ash might know the truth about her grandfather already and this was the main reason, she wasn't really willing to hear any of Shepard's explanations on Horizon as she was still dealing with her grandfather having been buddies with TIM, maybe even having a hand in founding Cerberus.
I even considered that maybe TIM approached her with the truth, trying to persuade her to join Cerberus as well at some point during the two years they tried to rebuild Shepard, not telling her about that of course.

I wanted to think this through, before sharing it, but since you brought it up, I am throwing it in there in its raw form.


That's an interesting thought, although I doubt if TIM would want to persuade her to join cerberus, if so telling her, about her grandfather would sooner destroy her then make her join cerberus (I doubt she would even believe it). I don't know how TIM could peruade her to join them, actually.


Regardless, I hope they touch upon it in ME3, it would make for some good convo stuff.

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@brain: Great to see you join in with femshepley pics, too, and a really nice one it is. I love the colors. Can't wait to see more!



Thanks! I'm interested in what can be done with colours atm. so that might be a recurring theme too.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 06:23

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I can't see ashley joining cerberus unless somehow it takes over the Alliance. Even then I'd think she'd start a rebellion unless it was a cerberus run by Shepard or Miranda. I have a few shepard's who want to take over Cerberus because they feel betrayed by the Alliance (mostly my spacers) Though I can actually see ashley letting up on her cerberus hate when she finds out how Shepard took out the Collectors with their help, ending their threat against the colonies. Though she might blame them for what happened in Arrival, despite that being a mission from Hackett.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 07:27

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I can't see Ashley joining Cerberus either, that is not what I have been talking about, but maybe TIM could have seen the possibility. After Shepard died, she clearly struggled with a few things, maybe TIM thought she was vulnerable enough to try and convince her. She is after all the granddaughter of his old buddy and he is a sneaky bastard, maybe he thought, by showing her, who her grandfather really was, he could bring her to question everything she knew, including her loyalty to the Alliance, but in the end he thought wrong.
The only thing he accomplished was to reinforce her self-image as an Alliance soldier (somewhere at the end of ME1, she started to question the Alliance a little) and her hate for Cerberus.
I know this theory is pretty wild, but her adament refusal to listen to Shepard on Horizon because of Cerberus would make a little more sense, if there was more to it than "just" the whole Kahoku questline.

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Posté 26 août 2011 - 09:04

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On the one hand it might make sense, but then you'ld think that TIM would have done some more extensive checks on who Ashley is, unless ofcourse the information didn't get to her straight from cerberus, but Cerberus spread it via-via. That would have caused a big inner struggle with Ash, but in the end she chose Alliance.

I like the idea, but poor Ash she would have to go through a lot..
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